New players shouldn't play Left 4 Dead

[Alterson1]

That has to be one the stupidest things I have heard in a long time. I actually had a player tell me that in a match last night.

I jumped into a match as a Survivor right at the start of NM5, we proceeded up to the roof, the first survivor up got smoked by the Smoker at the radar dish and pulled off the roof, one of the other players jumped off the right side of the building (incurring falling damage) while I simultaneously jumped off the front, player 4 got jumped by a hunter and killed on the roof.

Who gets blamed for this FUBAR? Me, of course. In retrospect I probably should have stayed up with player 4 but I was trying to save the smoked guy—it didn't occur to me that the other guy would deliberately jump off and incur falling damage just to get there first.

Oh well, these things happen, particularly in teams of strangers. No big deal. However, here was the verbal exchange:

Player 1: It's YOUR fault.

Me: Sure, blame it on the new guy.

Player 1: New? If you're new you shouldn't even be playing.

What kind of nonsense is that? New players shouldn't even be playing? What I failed to realize is that this guy was an Immortal Elite Left 4 Dead player who had been playing Left 4 Dead long before the pharaohs erected the pyramids and in fact, had been playing Left 4 Dead since before the beginning of the world and would continue playing Left 4 Dead even until we and this world are all dust. Considering that, I would have expected him to be a better player.

As if this guy hadn't been a new player once. As if every player is going to hack the console so they can practice the Infected in a single player environment. As if the Left 4 Dead community will continue to thrive without new customers purchasing and playing the product.

Ironically, what I was referring to was being new to the match. These guys had been getting beat terribly long before I joined the game, and Player 1's response was to blame the person who was new to the match for his own incompetence.

[binge]

Player 1: New? If you're new you shouldn't even be playing.
After this I would have

1) votekicked that guy out
2) if that didnt worked, I would teamkill him
3) if that wouldnt work (because you,re low on health yourself etc) I would just take all the medkits
4) then I would teamkill him

OR, if he was already dead, I would have said "at least I'm still alive"

[Infest0125]

You need to have at least a general idea of what you're doing before hopping on versus.

From what it sounds like you didn't..... Have you beat any campaigns yet?

[Howler]

teamkill
'Im a new guy, so I must teamkill you no?' Awesome when someone does that :D.

[PSOLaguna]

This was entertaining. Thanks for the fun read. There will always be people out there that think theyre da shit, when theyre really just shit. I got kicked from a game because I refused to heal in the safe room...lol.

[Howler]

Laguna...*sarcasm enter* YOURANEWGUYGTFONOWYOUSILLYBUGGER!

[GreenTrafficCone]

You need to have at least a general idea of what you're doing before hopping on versus.

From what it sounds like you didn't..... Have you beat any campaigns yet?
He said at the end that he was new to the match because he just joined, not the game.

Yeah, I hate people online who say before they think.

[Howler]

Yeah, I hate people online who say before they think.
Sure as hell alot of them.

[Ace of Knaves]

This was entertaining. Thanks for the fun read. There will always be people out there that think theyre da shit, when theyre really just shit. I got kicked from a game because I refused to heal in the safe room...lol.


Whaaa? That's retarded! MAN people can be so idiotic!

As for the OP, that's also ridiculous, and not in the least your fault. The guy that was smoked is to blame for his own situation... this is why you stay on the ladder. The guy that followed? AKA, the moron that jumped off? ALSO deserves what was coming to him.

The guy who got attacked on the roof? Now... this depends. If he was TRYING to jump off at the same time as you, but was attacked by a hunter? Well, that's not really a FAULT kind of thing, just a SUCKS kind of thing. As in... it sucks to be him, because that's unlucky timing on his part. If he just STAYED up there while you were down there thinking he was safe? HE was the dingus, not you. You should NEVER stay up there alone. EVER. Even when you're not playing Versus.

All in all? This is why you should limit playing with strangers. ;-)

[Howler]

Tsquared is to blame.

[FizixMan]

You need to have at least a general idea of what you're doing before hopping on versus.

From what it sounds like you didn't..... Have you beat any campaigns yet?

Uhh, I didn't get that sense at all. Sounded more like he jumped off around the same time as the other guy. If he knew the other guy was going down, he made a easy mistake in the heat of the moment, which is very easy to do in this game.

I do agree that sometimes it can be frustrating when people play versus who haven't played through the campaigns (single player or co-op) but I don't get my panties in a twist over it.

[GreenTrafficCone]

Why Tsquared no stick to Halo? He sucks at L4D judging by his tips.

[PSOLaguna]

As for the OP, that's also ridiculous, and not in the least your fault. The guy that was smoked is to blame for his own situation... this is why you stay on the ladder. The guy that followed? AKA, the moron that jumped off? ALSO deserves what was coming to him.


Oh dude, that reminded me of this game I played today. We had 3 hunters and I was playing smoker at the usual spot for that oh so lovely 1 pull kill on NM finale and everything went FUBAR and before I knew it I was getting shot at so I ran like a bitch but the guy followed me down there, nearly dieing while he left 2 of his team mates incapped on the roof... I didnt get the pull but he really fucked his team up. I was like way to go Rambo!

[Howler]

^ Leeroy Jenkins would of pwned you lol.

[Funky Biscuits]

If you made a thread about what this guy said, you probably thought about it too much.

[Alterson1]

You need to have at least a general idea of what you're doing before hopping on versus.

From what it sounds like you didn't..... Have you beat any campaigns yet?

Hmmm...I wonder what gave you the idea that I didn't know what I was doing? Was it the other survivors going up the ladder in a spread pattern allowing them to be picked off and boomed without being able to provide immediate support? Or was it Player 1 jumping off the right side of the building (incurring falling damage) to melee the tongue when he could have shot the Smoker from the roof? Admittedly I could have stayed on the roof to shoot the Smoker too...

But to answer your question, I play about 8-10 hours of versus a week. Admittedly, I'm mediocre (one of the disadvantages of playing with total strangers all of the time: I don't get to refine different tactics with a knowledgeable team), but I've also noticed that even one substandard player on a team can limit even the best players.

You know what I mean: the boomer who always spawns in too soon and gets shot; the hunter who pounces at inopportune times, the tank who rushes in and gets killed in 4 seconds...

Playing and losing doesn't bother me, I rarely ragequit and when I do it's always other factors (such as lag), but this mindset of "New players shouldn't play" is so silly as to be laughable.

2) if that didnt worked, I would teamkill him

Didn't need to, we all died shortly thereafter.

[Drjanitor]

Man, why do I have a feeling that I have said that to too many actual new people, But when I say the "New" player phrase, it is more like a reference if they played the campaign first, then try out versus, but if it is just install then versus, I will yell at that player.....a lot. They have no excuse for not trying campaign with their friends, or warning other players that they are new, and require hints/tips from better, and in many cases I've seen, worse but experienced players.

[Cyanyde]

I can't believe anyone plays this game, considering how some of the older players treat new guys.

Honestly, we were all new at one point, try helping them understand the game better, who knows, maybe they'll turn out better than you expected.

But no, I've seen things as retarded as vote-kicking someone for making a mistake.
Team-killing for absolutely nothing.

Also some of the stuff Binge mentioned would make me vote-kick him..
If people on a server are annoying, newbs or otherwise bothersome, try joining a different server. If you're not having fun with the people your playing with, find new people.

Anyway, I agree that some people are dicks out there.. I played since the demo and I still have troubles some times.. but I play for fun.. if I lose, I won't commit suicide.. but it seems some of these people will..
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[Drjanitor]

I guess it's up to us older folk to be shepards over the new player population, guiding them to better, and more enjoyable games. And what I mean by all that stuff I just said is, don't be a dick, just be a guide, and have fun.

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh dude, that reminded me of this game I played today. We had 3 hunters and I was playing smoker at the usual spot for that oh so lovely 1 pull kill on NM finale and everything went FUBAR and before I knew it I was getting shot at so I ran like a bitch but the guy followed me down there, nearly dieing while he left 2 of his team mates incapped on the roof... I didnt get the pull but he really fucked his team up. I was like way to go Rambo!


See, those people are the BEST to play AGAINST, but the WORST to play WITH. I've left several games for reasons just like that. Honestly, there's no point in playing if your team doesn't know that jumping off of buildings twenty feet tall or higher would HURT YOU. In that instance, they probably wouldn't know that shooting each other in the face hurts too. :-P Or shooting a gas tank next to you.

UGH, Now I just remembered that someone has DONE that to me. Downed the whole team. X_x

[JediDwag]

Eh, sounds like people being too competitive.

Anytime I play, be it with friends or random pubs, I try not to take it too seriously and just have fun. Now if I'm playing with all friends and we pick teams, then it's a little more competitive.

But yeah, anytime people start throwing around blame, they're obviously no good at the game. The reason they're no good is because this game has a team dynamic. If they think they can go and thrown blame around, they don't know anything about working on a team and therefore they fail at this game. You call your own mistakes and apologize for them. If someone else does something, give constructive criticism, don't tell them they're doing it wrong, because that kills the team dynamic.

Just my two cents.

[PSOLaguna]

See, those people are the BEST to play AGAINST, but the WORST to play WITH. I've left several games for reasons just like that. Honestly, there's no point in playing if your team doesn't know that jumping off of buildings twenty feet tall or higher would HURT YOU. In that instance, they probably wouldn't know that shooting each other in the face hurts too. :-P Or shooting a gas tank next to you.

UGH, Now I just remembered that someone has DONE that to me. Downed the whole team. X_x

Yeah in that same game some ass jumped into the elevator shaft right before he quit. Thats why there were only 3 people when the shit hit the fan. Which is funny because once he realize he had no chance of saving his buddies he proceeded to jump off the roof. -_-" You just have to watch out for people playing unbelievable bad. Youd be surprised how many people have friends on the opposite team and just want to be dead weight.