DLC on Steam... were fucked

[lawlhat]

I noticed Far Cry 2 DLC available on steam for 5 dollars, so I think "Fuck, now we have to pay for shit all the time."

Link: http://store.steampowered.com/app/21960/

Discuss

[Plappy]

Is Farcry 2 Made by Valve?

No you say?

/Owned

[Zorgy]

Farcry isn't made by valve. We're ok... For now

[KilltheInfected]

Well the l4d dlc is already said to be free.

[darkmessiah]

I think he means that PC DLC in general might be getting a monetary facelift.

[Dead Fish]

uck, now we have to pay for shit all the time.

Valve have already stated that their additional content will be free. It's part of their business model. And I don't see a problem in other game's DLC to be available through Steam. Not having that option wouldn't change the fact that this is already happening on the PC.

The whole DLC debate is kinda warped in my opinion. People seem to be overly negative, because of their sense of entitlement. Like, when a game is finished, you should get everything the developer made for that game. No, this is just another way of selling (smaller) expansion packs, which we have had for a long time.

[Suman]

I was just getting worried, I wasn't thinking that Farcry 2 wasn't made by Valve for a second.

[lawlhat]

Still, the DLC from console games used to be free on the PC, just released a month later. Not only is this released a few months late, we have to pay for it. That said, I might get it because its cheap, but the principle sucks.

[DethPenguin]

Pay for new stuff.

Makes sense.

[TheSlapster]

So you hate it, and in protest, you plan on buying it anyway? "Because it's cheap." Remind me not to come to your next protest, are you planning on giving doughnuts away to the bank that foreclosed on your house?

[PSOLaguna]

So you hate it, and in protest, you plan on buying it anyway? "Because it's cheap." Remind me not to come to your next protest, are you planning on giving doughnuts away to the bank that foreclosed on your house?

That was a horrible analogy.

[Neb]

are you planning on giving doughnuts away to the bank that foreclosed on your house?


What....?

[binge]

far cry 2 just sucks

yeah it looks pretty and cool and all
but once you've done one mission, you've done em all

so why even download the dlc

[Dre]

<- never played far cry

[Elite]

Far Cry 2 is a pain to play...
but once you've done one mission, you've done em all

All the missions are identical...

[Small Little P00]

DLC is a lie.

[lawlhat]

So you hate it, and in protest, you plan on buying it anyway? &quot;Because it's cheap.&quot; Remind me not to come to your next protest, are you planning on giving doughnuts away to the bank that foreclosed on your house?

Its the idea that sucks, why should I now pay for things I would have previously gotten for free? Now that I remember how bad FC2 was, Im not even getting it. Happy?

Before on steam, this would be free, because of their latest update, it isnt. Simple as that. Its not like on consoles :/

[LordBhorak]

Expansion packs have never been free. And most of the companies put all their DLC into an expansion pack, which they will sell. The difference between DLC and an expansion is, that DLC will come at close intervals, when expansions will come with longer intervals. I'd rather get the stuff that is ready earlier and pay the fraction of the price, that the expansion would cost.

And Valve is still keeping their DLC free.

[gehn6]

Expansion packs have never been free.

Except all the ones that HAVE been free. :P

EVE Online anyone?

[LordBhorak]

EVE Online anyone?

EVE is a game, that you pay to play. They expand the content to keep players playing and paying, so yeah... they're free to get, but not free to play.

[Pukemon]

Horny horny horneeeey

[Dead Fish]

Before on steam, this would be free, because of their latest update, it isnt. Simple as that. Its not like on consoles :/

I don't think that's true. This DLC is available for the first time on the PC just now. It has been on the consoles for many months. If Steam didn't give them the opportunity to sell this thing, we wouldn't have got it at all.

They didn't take anything away from you, because without this, there would be no Fortune's Pack.

[gehn6]

They expand the content to keep players playing and paying, so yeah... they're free to get, but not free to play.

lol, ok chief. So how do you explain WoW, SWG, Planetside, LOTR, and all the other MMOs that make you pay to play and pay to get more content?

Pay to play is just that, pay to play what is currently in the game. It supports their server maintenance, bandwidth, power, bug fixes, etc.

Expansions are more content added for your pay to play experience.

Pay to play shouldn't even be a part of your consideration because of what I said above. So again, there have been free expansion packs.

They expand the content to keep players playing and paying

And that isn't what other expansions for non-mmo games would be doing? Seems like the same exact thing to me.

[Dead Fish]

Pay to play shouldn't even be a part of your consideration because of what I said above. So again, there have been free expansion packs.

MMOs and non-subscription based games are something very different, though. WoW does have free content updates too, but the point is that they are operating on a whole nother business model.

They want their consumers' ongoing commitment to the game instead of only an initial purchase, so you cannot use an MMO's behaviour as an argument that all PC games should have free additional content.

[gehn6]

Yes, of course the games themselves are different, but the concept is not at all. Yes WoW has free content updates, but we are not talking about those are we? We are talking about their expansions.

They want their consumers' ongoing commitment to the game instead of only an initial purchase

What are you trying to say by this? That non-mmo games DON'T want the same thing? lol. Non-mmo games also want this dude, if they didn't they wouldn't release expansions and DLCs for their games.

so you cannot use an MMO's behaviour as an argument that all PC games should have free additional content.

Where did i say ALL PC games should have free additional content? Nowhere. You missed my argument, I was saying that there ARE games out there that have given free expansions.

[Dead Fish]

What are you trying to say by this? That non-mmo games DON'T want the same thing? lol. Non-mmo games also want this dude, if they didn't they wouldn't release expansions and DLCs for their games.


What I'm saying is that expansion packs for non-MMO games are meant as a product that's going to have to break even on it's own. It needs to return the cost of investment by having a price tag. Sure, it will also incite new people to buy the main game, but that's only a side effect.

What I'm saying is that MMOs can afford to have free updates, because it helps to keep the money coming in. Regular games don't work that way, so saying that they should release free stuff too, because MMOs do is not a valid argument.

Where did i say ALL PC games should have free additional content? Nowhere. You missed my argument, I was saying that there ARE games out there that have given free expansions.

I guess we are on the same boat then, anyways. ;) I'm making a pro-DLC argument and saying that MMOs don't represent other genres. That's all.

[l4dfan]

i'm kind of neutral on the whole thing.

on one side, i really don't mind paying for new content. the more money valve/insertcompanynamehere (yes i know the pack is free) gets, the more incentive they'll have to keep pumping it out. as much as i'd like to hop on the bandwagon that valve is the ultimate customer orgasm, it's simply not true anymore. they've been falling quickly from that title and at this point, i'd much rather pay and get better content updates than wait half a year to get... well, the survival pack.

on the other hand, paying for new content is becoming somewhat of an exploit in the gaming industry. as we all know, companies are now commonly releasing games before they're done and with limited or unfinished content simply because of dlc. by trimming off development time with promises of new content, they're profiting off of their customers gullibility and their own laziness and greed. in the coming years, i expect this to worsen greatly.

that's basically an extreme lefty and righty position, which is why in the end, i feel cozy enough falling in between. i don't really give a crap, since i can use my own senses to decide if something is worth buying or not. gone are the days of my preorders though, i'll tell you that much.

(did i go off topic? admittedly i didn't even read any of the replies, but i'm sure it relates at some level. oh god i'm high.)

[gehn6]

so saying that they should release free stuff too, because MMOs do is not a valid argument.

That was never my argument. My argument was that there are games out there that give out free expansions, which is what I proved with the EVE Online example. Plain and simple but yet you seemed to have missed it many times.

I was NOT saying DLC, expansions, should or should not be free.
I was NOT saying expansions for MMOs should or should not be free.
I was NOT saying expansions for non-MMOs should or should not be free.
These are all things YOU said, not I.

I just said that there HAVE been times where new content for games, that were labeled as expansions, were given out for free. It was just to correct LordBhorak on him saying that there has NEVER been a free expansion for a game.

But yet, you seem to have the urge to argue something complete different from what I said. lol

I have comments about the other stuff YOU were trying to say, but I don't feel like it anymore.

[Dead Fish]

But yet, you seem to have the urge to argue something complete different from what I said. lol

Yes. See, you inspired me to formulate my thoughts, even if they didn't concern you directly. ;)

[Shrubberyjsc]

<- never played far cry

Me neither.

I've also never payed for DLC.

I refuse to pay monthly and I don't much care to buy five $20 expansion packs for one game, WILL WRIGHT!

[lawlhat]

Im just concerned that with new matchmaking tools, DLC, and achievements that Steam will the Xbox Live 2.0 (GFW was like XBL 0.5)

[Stupoider]

Boo to DLC you have to pay for.
I refuse to pay monthly and I don't much care to buy five $20 expansion packs for one game, WILL WRIGHT!
DAMN STRAIGHT. GRRRR TOO MANY SIMS 2 EXPANSIONS.
Im just concerned that with new matchmaking tools, DLC, and achievements that Steam will the Xbox Live 2.0 (GFW was like XBL 0.5)
wut.

[lawlhat]

wut.
Let me spel it out (cwatididthar)

S-T-E-A-M I-S B-E-C-O-M-I-N-G X-B-O-X L-I-V-E

There

[l4dfan]

S-T-E-A-M I-S B-E-C-O-M-I-N-G X-B-O-X L-I-V-E
hell yeah. can we import our avatars?

http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/phuabo/avatar-body.png

[lawlhat]

Ok, if you guys want steam to be a place inhabited by retards, people that want to make you pay for every update to your game, and terrible matchmaking, fine by me.

[DethPenguin]

Ok, if you guys want steam to be a place inhabited by retards, people that want to make you pay for every update to your game, and terrible matchmaking, fine by me.


You're paying for new content.
It's not the apocalypse.
Just business.

[lawlhat]

You're paying for new content.
It's not the apocalypse.
Just business.

The reason I played PC games is to avoid this stuff. I guess Valve really are losing their balls.

[OneKplus337]

Sorry but I have to side with the devs. I remember the days of buying expansion packs for PC games. I bought Rainbow 6, Rainbow 6 Expansion, Rogue Spear, Rogue Spear Expansion. It's all the same shit just more missions and guns. Its the equivalent to the DLC we speak of. Depending on the content of the DLC, you more than likely should pay for it.

I mean think about even sequels to games. You pay for that, no? Many sequels are on the same engine as the original, just a 'new story' and 'new guns' are imported into the engine and people shell out $20-30 for it. I say, get over it or don't buy it.

[G_X]

ITT: lawlhat being a troll

[Steve Cloud]

And here I thought DLC on Steam was a good thing.

[Platypus]

I don't know why everyone is getting in a tissy. How are we fucked? All VALVe is doing with Steam is allowing developers and publishers who sell games to offer DLC through steam. This doesn't mean that valve will now make TF2 or L4D DLC cost money, i don't see it as part of their personal business model. Sure, i'm not a big fan of paid DLC but hey
You're paying for new content.
It's not the apocalypse.

[Shrubberyjsc]

How are we loved? All VALVe is doing with Steam is allowing developers and publishers who sell games to offer DLC through steam. This doesn't mean that valve will now make TF2 or L4D DLC cost money

This man sees the big picture.

Valve doesn't need to charge for their DLC, because every time they release their free DLC, their game sales jump. They know what they're doing, and I think other companies will see that supporting your product after launch with free DLC is the way to go.

Just because Valve lets other companies price things how they want doesn't mean we need to panic.

[theliberator1]

I don't know why everyone is getting in a tissy. How are we fucked? All VALVe is doing with Steam is allowing developers and publishers who sell games to offer DLC through steam. This doesn't mean that valve will now make TF2 or L4D DLC cost money, i don't see it as part of their personal business model. Sure, i'm not a big fan of paid DLC but hey

QFT

and honestly, I doubt that if Valve even did start charging for DLC they wouldnt expect $50 a pop. its $5 here and there. If you like the game enough you'll probably like the DLC too and wouldnt mind paying a pittance for their product.

also - what shrub said

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

Games have much less content than they have before.
DLC costs money.
The full game's price stays the same.
PROFIT!!!!!!

there is no question mark to lead to this profit.

Games before were by developers trying to make the best game possible and today are by developers working under publishers who then make the most profitable game possible.

Money > Quality all business men know this.


isn't that right GENTLEMEN!?



Also, most DLC ends up being worthless quantity. We need whole new game modes and things that dramatically change the game itself somehow. No more worthless addons!

Now I wish you could download customization DLC for cod4 that lets you alter player speeds, health amounts, and alter even weapon names and stats if you want and play with friends using your shotgun named betty that fires 1 shot every 5 seconds but is insta-kill. Also, BEING ABLE TO ADJUST GUN ACCURACIES so I could have perfectly accurate or ridiculously inaccurate weapons XD

Customizability DLC FTW!

[l4dfan]

Games have much less content than they have before.
DLC costs money.
The full game's price stays the same.
PROFIT!!!!!!
sadly qfting... it's true. my mom agrees too.