Realism is bad

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

why is it bad?

I personally like fast paced games more, but I'd like you guys to say why it's bad.

I've heard to much pros of realism, but there's still cons, so what are they?

The interesting thing is that fighting is still intense even with all this realism. Of course, most of it is just popping in and out of cover instead of jumping around like fast paced games. Also, realism means you die faster, so people who are so new that they can't even move and shoot in a shooter at the same time would still get kills. If realism can be that awesome, so can fast-paced.

hmm...

Also, ut3 > cod4 :D just for fun

NOTE: NO FLAMING!!!!!!!!!

[iRelentless]

Hmm, realism which can be bad. I'll do it in relation to L4D seeing as how things bad for one game wouldn't necessarily be bad for another.

Bleeding - Not the kind in L4D where you go slow or whatever if low on hp, but the kind in DoD 1.3b where a random hit can make you bleed. That used to get annoying in some situations and in L4D, going slow after just 1 hit and having to bandage, would probably suck. Although they would probably have the director balance that out so it wouldn't be too bad.
Severed limbs - This one needs no explanation. Lose an arm, can't shoot anything but 1 pistol, maybe a really inaccurate rifle or shotgun. Lose a leg... you'd probably be, well, Left 4 Dead.
Shaking from fear and nausea from running so much while shooting stuff - This would probably get old really fast. Random screen shakes? Blurred woozy screen? Would give me a headache.
Sights - In the right situation they can be good (e.g. sights for the scoped weapons). But realistic sights, where they are needed for accurate shooting with most guns, probably not good in L4D's style of play.
Rabies - In reality, wouldn't a new strain of the rabies virus make the infected all attack each other? or even random objects in some cases? instead of just the immune? That would be bad for gameplay, although fun to watch. lol.

[hooray for zombies]

Rabies - In reality, wouldn't a new strain of the rabies virus make the infected all attack each other? or even random objects in some cases? instead of just the immune? That would be bad for gameplay, although fun to watch. lol.

for some reason, that makes me think of an infected humping a fire hydrant like a dog. Weird, huh?

[dontleave]

Realism, good because its realistic, bad because its realistc. Realitically though, you cant presume anything about a fictional unreal virus.

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

nice thought hooray for zombies, and also nice response iRelentless, even if some of those suggestions are a bit odd and extreme...

Actually, iron sights would be fine in the game if they were optional. As long as it didn't change run speed at all.

Realism, good because its realistic, bad because its realistc. Realitically though, you cant presume anything about a fictional unreal virus.
but I saw a racoon bite someone's dog the other day, and it started humping hydrants... I mean it started attacking other dogs, then the other dogs started humping hydr... I mean attacking the rest of the neighborhood :D

[iRelentless]

Realistically though, you cant presume anything about a fictional unreal virus.
It's a new strain of the rabies virus. So we can presume it shares some of its traits.
From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Transmission_a nd_symptoms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Transmission_and_symptoms)
"symptoms expand to slight or partial paralysis, cerebral dysfunction, anxiety, insomnia, confusion, agitation, abnormal behavior, paranoia, hallucinations, progressing to delirium. The production of large quantities of saliva and tears coupled with an inability to speak or swallow" "Death almost invariably results two to ten days after the first symptoms"

It's safe to assume that in this new strain, death within two to ten days isn't an issue. But any anger/violence inducing disease that is seperate in each person with no direct control over the actions of the person would lead to them attacking each other, not just those without the virus.
Besides, how would rabies lead to any of the awesome abilities the bosses have. The tanks bones would have been crushed with the expansion of his arms/muscles so he wouldn't even be able to lift his hulking self from the ground, let-alone smash other people.

*drool* tank vs regular infected horde... that would be cool to watch. I wonder if infected bosses can attack regular infected... :D

Actually, iron sights would be fine in the game if they were optional. As long as it didn't change run speed at all.
Yeah, sights like that would be ok on the non-scoped weapons. But then, presuming by optional you mean accurate without, they wouldn't be realistic sights, and you made this topic about realism. :P

[hooray for zombies]

hydrant humping: serious business!




well, I'm off. G'night (or morning for you weird time zone people)

[D_Smid4499]

Call of Duty 4 is the most amazing fucking shooter out there, I got into the beta (Proof add my gamertag Derek4499 and see, I've played it the last 2 days), I've never got bored with the constantly changing gameplay, the game is not strived off realism, If you want to see realism play Armed Assault and such this game is freakin' awesome, even Gears is worse then it, everyone in the beta who have actually played the game will agree. Ex: You pick your custom sniper class with a gilly suit (Camo suit, like your a bush) and you go and hide in Bomb site B, your team dies and you see the guy defusing and you get a knife kill that ranks you up, it' the most fun I've had in a game in years since freakin' Starcraft.

You cannot say UT3 > Cod 4, You've never played both, so you can't speak play both and then say, maybe UT3 will be better, but as of right now Cod 4 is the best game.

[D_Smid4499]

If a game can be realistic, fast paced, amazing graphics (better then Gow, and before you say no way, the maps in Cod 4 are huge and you can handle 32 players on screen so stfu about your 8 man 5 foot maps) it deserves to be a good game, even though it's realistic, it's more fun than gears, and actually come to think of it, it's the best game out for the 360 and soon to be the best game out for the PC, oh and btw no bugs... for a beta.

[iRelentless]

CoD4 sounds awesome, just from what you said. I'm a big fan of snipers actually being stealthy so that alone is probably enough for me to check it out when its released.
EDIT: I Googled it, saw its sub-title and immediately thought "awesome".

If a game can be realistic, fast paced, amazing graphics it deserves to be a good gameIt wouldn't deserve to be good. It would be good and deserve to be popular. :D

[D_Smid4499]

It is by far the most fun I've had playing a console shooter, even a PC shooter (It's coming for PC as well), it brings out the fun part of war, the maps are gorgeous, also they are realistic, there is knee high grass everywhere and the gilly suit actually hides you unlike in other games where you just wear grass, your gilly suit is actually a tool, not a fashion statement. Also I don't know how many times I've watched my team member try to defuse a bomb FTW, and he gets pwned by a perfect sniper shot, and it's like omfg hacks and all the way out in the field a freakin' bush stands up. But don't think this game is owned by snipers, the only level in the beta that snipers are good is Overgrown which is a Russian town, with lots of grass and trees, there are two more maps, one is sort of warehouse like place, alot of CQC (Close Quarters Combat), and the last in Crash which is basically Black Hawk Down but Chinook Down instead.

[dontleave]

Yeah, im a fan of snipers as well, in fact, thats all I do in Red Orchestra. Speaking of which: The most fun I've had in a realistic type game ever.

Where does UT3 fit into this? As for the beta, I played it a bit too, my friend whos a big 360 nut has it. I hate when people in-game start screaming in applause when someone gets a headshot, like its such a damn uncommon occurance that someone happens to have a head and you happen to shoot it? Gillie suit works awesomely well in that game, sometimes I get the feeling it's hax, or that every bush is the same color. BF2 gillie suits sucked ass. They did nothing, but then again that wasn't wholly dependant on the suit itself. I hope CoD4 has huge ass maps or custom maps eventually like in RO, the maps are amazing, its acutally an accomplishment when you snipe someone from afar, even more so with the SMG :)

And yeah, I can say UT3>CoD4, I just watched some GC Walkthroughs from GT, its completely amazing. To think that against a game I've only seen being played, and a game I've played myself, it's true. Atleast in my honest opinion.

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

in a zombie game your getting eaten by zombies.....or stay alive..
not zombies eat/atack zombies...and you just have to kill the ones that has no zombie the fight or eat.... thats just stupid! realism in the way of guns and people unrealism in the way of mutants and horde's and horde's of zombies

that what a zombie game is about :D every zombie game is about!!

[Deek]

Call of Duty 4 is the most amazing fucking shooter out there, I got into the beta (Proof add my gamertag Derek4499 and see, I've played it the last 2 days)
How? Where?? HOW???

EDIT: Oh, is it a 360 thing (gamertag)? PC beta, plz!

[D_Smid4499]

There is no PC beta and there will never be one, plus you need a really good rig to run this beast.

[Deek]

There is no PC beta
*cries*
plus you need a really good rig to run this beast.
I'll be fine. =)

[Capo Di Tutti Capi]

Quoting: iRelentless
Rabies - In reality, wouldn't a new strain of the rabies virus make the infected all attack each other? or even random objects in some cases? instead of just the immune? That would be bad for gameplay, although fun to watch. lol.

for some reason, that makes me think of an infected humping a fire hydrant like a dog. Weird, huh?

ROFL!!!!

realism, like in VBS and AA, it can be really quite boring and gets old really quickly, i like games that are really fast paced and intense, without nonrealism games are boring because they're 2 much like real life, and as we play games 2 escape from real life, games have 2 be nonrealistic.

[No Shelter]

Fast paced is ok, but it can get too arcade like and have a bunch of stupid glitchers + the more hackers. I like realism more imo. ArmA ftw!

[dontleave]

ROFL!!!!

realism, like in VBS and AA, it can be really quite boring and gets old really quickly, i like games that are really fast paced and intense, without nonrealism games are boring because they're 2 much like real life, and as we play games 2 escape from real life, games have 2 be nonrealistic.

You mean, UN-realistic. Without first-hand experience all we have are simulations. To play a simulative type of game ie. Tactical shooter or a game in the Simulation genre has its own benefits, would be as close right now as going to war without going to war. Fast paced games are fun but the mind numbing running and gibbing gets old much faster than a really immersive, simulative, realistic shooter.

[USS_Stud]

Personally I like realism. Realism lets you appreciate the small things. Making for way more things to appreciate, depending on the limitations/realism. If everything is always crazy and spaztic, the action kinda gets burnt out.

[Lolerskates]

Because every game developer I've seen knows absolute shit about realism concerning FPS and when they pull it off to some degree while retaining fun factor, they put it in the wrong place.

See: Red Orchestra.

[dontleave]

Red Orchestra is awesome, ima buy it once this trial thing wears off.

[lilsamuraijoe]

I doubt there will ever be a slow paced zombie game. In fact, once you've included zombies in the game it ceases to be realistic.

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

You cannot say UT3 > Cod 4, You've never played both, so you can't speak play both and then say, maybe UT3 will be better, but as of right now Cod 4 is the best game.
As I thought, posting UT3 > Cod 4 would prove fun, and it has so far :D

I've never played both because UT3 doesn't even have a beta or demo of any kind, and cod4's beta is on 360 which I don't have. Although, can you get hundreds of mods for cod4 on pc and COMBINE every single one any way you want? NO! Only in UT. But I still think cod4 might be better... hmm... let the fun continue :D

I'm a big fan of snipers actually being stealthy
You're avatar is basically Garrett anyway, so of course stealth is your thing (I suspect it might be from assassin's creed though) I like stealth too, and I'd like to see a realistic game that actually uses it for once in multiplayer too!

If everything is always crazy and spaztic, the action kinda gets burnt out.
Too slow for you? MAKE IT FASTER!!! The UT series lets you do that. Increase the damage amount, run speed, and overall game speed!!! Just add excessive overkill weapons for the most extreme game in existance!!!!!

Just so you guys know, I like mostly balances between realism and fun or more fun and arcadey.

Also, I think Left 4 Dead is the best balance, and that we're all going to get that anyway no matter how good CoD4 is :D (although I might get CoD 4 now... as well as UT3)

Final Note: If a game is realistic, how about realistic stealth? There is NO stealth in realistic games! There should be like you mentioned in CoD 4...

Remember people UT3 > CoD 4 (just for fun, and by fun I mean to annoy D_Smid4499)

[D_Smid4499]

You think that the UT3 engine is customizable and not the CoD4 engine? Every engine is customizable, maybe cuz UT has been around for ever and should just die.

[Plankie]

maybe cuz UT has been around for ever and should just die.

BLASPHEMY!!1

[iRelentless]

in a zombie game your getting eaten by zombies.....or stay alive..
not zombies eat/atack zombies...and you just have to kill the ones that has no zombie the fight or eat.... thats just stupid! realism in the way of guns and people unrealism in the way of mutants and horde's and horde's of zombiesThey don't eat you, they probably can't because inability to swallow is often a symptom of rabies. (the irony... zombie-like things that can't swallow. Muahaha!). So instead of eating you they just "OMGosh! Surprise fire hydrant buttsechs!" your entire body, like a dog, until you stop moving. (it's true because hooray for zombies said so)

Final Note: If a game is realistic, how about realistic stealth? There is NO stealth in realistic games! There should be like you mentioned in CoD 4...Hell yeah! (CoD4 = Going. To. Pwn!)

Remember people UT3 > CoD 4 (just for fun, and by fun I mean to annoy D_Smid4499)Ok then. GoW multiplayer kicks both their asses! Even though I've never played it and probably wont for another year and a half or more, if at all. And I can't think of any reasons why it would beat them because I've never played it, so I'm pretty much just talking random crap now because his previous posts suggest he has a soft spot for GoW. Wibble wibble wabble wobble woo!

[Big_Bubbaloola]

it brings out the fun part of war

Did you know that was Ghandi's favorite saying.

[D_Smid4499]

Did you know
Ghandi

Yes

[D_Smid4499]

GoW multiplayer
Sux
Ass

[D_Smid4499]

Anyways if any of you played CoD 4 you would know how amazing it is, check your friends list and see how long your friend plays it for, the first time I played it for a day straight. It is that good, when I got GoW (I loved it) I only played it for a couple hours the first time and I don't anymore anyways.

[No Shelter]

CoD 4 sucks in some places. like the sounds. The M9 sounds exactly like a sniper rifle and it was a sound in the old Army Men games. Same nade sound when it drops on ground. Lots of re-used sounds when you get hit with a bullet.

[The One]

for some reason, that makes me think of an infected humping a fire hydrant like a dog. Weird, huh?
hahah that made me laugh hahahaIt's safe to assume that in this new strain, death within two to ten days isn't an issue. But any anger/violence inducing disease that is seperate in each person with no direct control over the actions of the person would lead to them attacking each other, not just those without the virus.
Besides, how would rabies lead to any of the awesome abilities the bosses have. The tanks bones would have been crushed with the expansion of his arms/muscles so he wouldn't even be able to lift his hulking self from the ground, let-alone smash other people.
But what if "Realistacally speaking" the rabies virus was "Enhanced" by humans and was meant for a weapon. So that the people infected only attack those that arent....... aww fu** it, I'm just confusing myself. I forgot what I was trying to say....

[D_Smid4499]

CoD 4 sucks in some places. like the sounds. The M9 sounds exactly like a sniper rifle and it was a sound in the old Army Men games. Same nade sound when it drops on ground. Lots of re-used sounds when you get hit with a bullet.
The only reused sound is the grenade bouce.

[No Shelter]

No, when people get shot that noise is the same and the moan that they do too.

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

Smash bros. is sooo unrealistic :D are realistic fighting games better than fast paced ones? hmm...

[D_Smid4499]

They are altered in various ways, and still there are knew things, and what is wrong with the sound, sounds get reused all the time (cs->css), they are fine nothing is wrong with them.

Nemesis wow, you better be joking.

[iRelentless]

quoting:iRelentless "GoW multiplayer"
quoting:iRelentless "Sux"
quoting:iRelentless "Ass"
I didn't say that! I just implied it based on footage I've seen of it. :P
The single player is probably fun enough to be worth at least one play through though.

But what if "Realistacally speaking" the rabies virus was "Enhanced" by humans and was meant for a weapon. So that the people infected only attack those that arent....... aww fu** it, I'm just confusing myself. I forgot what I was trying to say....
I think I get what you mean but they would still need a trigger for making them not attack others who were infected, which would probably take a lot more time/work than a more attainable deadly virus.
Unless people/animals with rabies only attack people without it anyway. I never looked into that properly because it seemed obvious that they would attack anything they didn't like the look of, or in the case of hydrants, hump.

[No Shelter]

They are altered in various ways, and still there are knew things, and what is wrong with the sound, sounds get reused all the time (cs->css), they are fine nothing is wrong with them.

Yeah I mean same sounds are fine but its where they came from that matters. CS is CSS just one is source so its fine. But using the same nade dropping sound and moans from a WW2 previously made. Well.

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

Nemesis wow, you better be joking.
lol

[D_Smid4499]

You don't even notice it really.

[Blue Domino]

Rabies - In reality, wouldn't a new strain of the rabies virus make the infected all attack each other? or even random objects in some cases? instead of just the immune? That would be bad for gameplay, although fun to watch. lol.


I think that it would be cool if infected attacked random objects and kicked walls ect. when there where no players around (or they could not see players) but if they saw a person it would probally take precedence over a random crate or whatever. As for attacking eachother, it would be cool if they like shoved eachother out of the way to get to you and it was like a comptetitive feeding frenzy. How scary would it be to see a huge mob of zombies shoving eachoter out of the way to get to you.

Realism can be fun in a game that is made for realism. If a game is made for fun, and not realism, putting realism in is kind stupid. As the game is not meant for such and will probally not be as fun as a game made with realism in mind. Full realism also sucks. There is a reason that games are games. That and shooting people in real life is a felony (although probally not zombies.. as long as there not on the endangered species list :P)

[Capo Di Tutti Capi]

That and shooting people in real life is a felony (although probally not zombies.. as long as there not on the endangered species list :P)

lol
they are now :)

[Capo Di Tutti Capi]

# Posted: 30 Aug 2007 00:42
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hydrant humping: serious business!




well, I'm off. G'night (or morning for you weird time zone people)
llollollollolloll


wat r u doing up at 12:42 in the morning? jesus u must be dedicated!

[hooray for zombies]

wat r u doing up at 12:42 in the morning? jesus u must be dedicated!

or just a teenager on summer vacation with nothing better to do

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

lol teenagers on summer vacation are fun :P

Too bad school is back :(

Next summer, when we all have left 4 dead, I can play it with you till 2am hooray for zombies!

[hooray for zombies]

Next summer, when we all have left 4 dead, I can play it with you till 2am hooray for zombies!

hell, we can do it on a weekend! no need to wait for summer!

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

hooray for weekends!
unfortunately, my friend fry wanted a summer play date.
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[The One]

Ok, umm nemises....... whats the website for it?

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

LOL ASCII fry rules

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

You think that the UT3 engine is customizable and not the CoD4 engine? Every engine is customizable, maybe cuz UT has been around for ever and should just die.
BLASPHEMY!!1
indeed BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!! omg whyyyyy you witch!

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

hooray for weekends!
unfortunately, my friend fry wanted a summer play date.
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Fry is not amused.
neither am i...... grr do something beter whit yur time...

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

neither am i...... grr do something beter whit yur time...

you mean like this?
<('.'<) <(0.0<)

(>'.')>[]::::::::::::) <('.;<) <(-.-<)

(>^.^)>@ <(^.^<)

kirby gone wild!

[hooray for zombies]

t('.'t)

my kirby is flipping you the bird

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

t(x.xt) (:::::::::::::::::[]<('.'<) my kirby is owning your kirby with a chainsaw

[D_Smid4499]

Wtf....

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

Wtf....
well, duh. It's kirby doing weird stuff. It's so unrealistic but fun XD.

Now give me your xbox 360 so I can play cod4 beta!

Also, I had an idea...
ps2 still isn't dead, and there are some older pc games that are still cool, so what older games do people here like? I found an insurgency-style mod for the first unreal tournament in about 2002 or so that is still awesome. I also found this mod for it: www.thieveryut.com (http://www.thieveryut.com)

If someone has UT99 PLEASE PLAY ME IN THIEVERY UT.

[Capo Di Tutti Capi]

well look at the serious sam games, no realism watsoeva, if thwey're was realism it wud be impossible 2 finish and i wudnt hv played it 3 times

realism can be good, but realism can be bad, i think its a real challange 4 athe game makers to put in just thye right amount of realism over the funism (a new word! HOORAY!!! xD)

As for attacking eachother, it would be cool if they like shoved eachother out of the way to get to you and it was like a comptetitive feeding frenzy. How scary would it be to see a huge mob of zombies shoving eachoter out of the way to get to you.

OH YEH!!!! that wud be cool, im sure the guys @ valve will implement wateva they feel necessary to make the game a really fun expierence

BTW this thread has gone from fire hydrant humping hydrant humping: serious business! to how good CoD4 and GoW are? offtopic...

[D_Smid4499]

well look at the serious sam games, no realism watsoeva, if thwey're was realism it wud be impossible 2 finish and i wudnt hv played it 3 times


Serious Sam was shit...

[dontleave]

Serious Sam was shit...

You are shit.

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

realism can be good, but realism can be bad
After playing the AWESOME unreal tournament (the original), I have to say realism is bad for me. If something as awesome as ut can exist when realism is absent, bring on the awesome action XD

You are shit.
I said no flaming, but I have to admit Serious Sam is still good.