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DJTricky
09-11-2007, 01:23 PM
http://digg.com/pc_games/Valve_announces_TF2_beta_ opens_Monday_Sept_17th_for_Pre_order_customers (http://digg.com/pc_games/Valve_announces_TF2_beta_opens_Monday_Sept_17th_fo r_Pre_order_customers)

Well, I gotta go beg/strike a deal with my dad to see if I can get this, I hope someone else from here get it so I can play with you :D

AckAck
09-11-2007, 01:41 PM
I will be buying it with scholarship funds.

Tarron
09-11-2007, 01:42 PM
i am more looking forward to fortress forever Clicky (http://www.fortress-forever.com/)

dontleave
09-11-2007, 01:45 PM
Yes, because no one knew what FF was beforehand? Did they decide to give you free Beta access to FF for advertisement, because it would seem to be a regular occurance lately.

hool10
09-11-2007, 01:50 PM
FF can go screw itself ever since the first TF2 teaser came out. I'm in.

Dead Fish
09-11-2007, 02:23 PM
Imo TF2 is pretty much finished; I mean, it will be released in a month. So, the beta should be an amazing experience. I'm really looking forward to it.

No Shelter
09-11-2007, 02:42 PM
FF Sucks man..

DJTricky
09-11-2007, 03:00 PM
FF Sucks man..
i am more looking forward to fortress forever
Yes, because no one knew what FF was beforehand?
FF can go screw itself

Topic = TF2
Topic does not = FF
:D

Anyway I talked to my dad and I think he might get me it so.... I might just see you in the beta! :D

frogopus
09-11-2007, 03:26 PM
Anyway I talked to my dad and I think he might get me it so.... I might just see you in the beta! :D
yessir,

I'll be preordering for this beta most definitely.

It's actually made by valve with stylish graphics that aren't two generations old and innovates instead of duplicates :P

Not that I'm comparing it to anything, all on topic right?

I will be buying it with scholarship funds.
Amen brother.

It is curious that TF2 has announced this date on the same day that FF has announced their release: "Edit: Just an addendum; i'm sure you've heard that TF2 has now announced they will release on the same date, so we are looking at getting this in your hands sooner than September 17th to ensure everyone will get some time to play before the beheamoth comes. "

Ayrehead
09-11-2007, 03:37 PM
I preorded it within the hour of finding out about the BETA, but it is still downloading which seems to be common when I download something from steam.....

toxictbag
09-12-2007, 03:48 AM
How do these kind of betas work?
is it like when you pre buy, you download something straight away.. or when you log on monday it downloads or what? :)

Plankie
09-12-2007, 03:49 AM
It's interesting to see how easily they can control people like you. JUST VICTIMS OF THE IN HOUSE DRIVE-BY!

toxictbag
09-12-2007, 03:50 AM
It's interesting to see how easily they can control people like you. JUST VICTIMS OF THE IN HOUSE DRIVE-BY!

He said, whilst entering his credit card info into steam. :D

hool10
09-12-2007, 10:23 AM
I preorded it within the hour of finding out about the BETA, but it is still downloading which seems to be common when I download something from steam.....
The servers are swamped from millions of people across thw world.
How do these kind of betas work?
is it like when you pre buy, you download something straight away.. or when you log on monday it downloads or what? :)
You can d/l it now and play it on Monday. I was in the CS:S beta and they also released CS:S early to pre-ordered HL2 users.

TheStrife
09-12-2007, 10:28 AM
Mine finished pre-loading last night. Can't wait for Monday.

hool10
09-12-2007, 11:44 AM
D/l Team Fortress: Classic and play people! Try and join me in-game too.

frogopus
09-12-2007, 11:57 AM
I'm miserable at TFC, didn't play it in its day and only have picked it up occasionally to give it a go. I'll still join you in am inute though

A DUCK
09-12-2007, 12:09 PM
hey, whens the last day we can preorder and save 10%?

hool10
09-12-2007, 12:22 PM
hey, whens the last day we can preorder and save 10%?
Right before it comes out. I used to be a killer ace as a sniper back in the day. Now I completely suck.

TheStrife
09-12-2007, 02:06 PM
Pyro 4 Life

Etheallmighty
09-12-2007, 07:16 PM
so I'm going out on a (short) limb and guessing this is only for steam & not 360....(sigh : ( ) well at least I have the COD4 beta....Oh wait, I DON"T!!! oh yeah btw idk who remembered my BS story on the beta about my friends getting it an such and my pc f-ing me in the A....well now another one of my friends got one from gamespot, and he also didn't know a thing about it until I told him. and yes I havn't gotten a gamespot one.....PISSS! ME OFFF!!!
sry for the outburst i'm just edgy cause I havn't gotten much sleep from football and school and I allready have 2 projects due friday and I got my NEW ZUNE (2 days) taken away at school and now I have detention for an hour 2morrow which coincidentally is the only day off from football and I lost (or got stolen) my car keys so my car is still at the school parking lot and my grandma is taking me 2morrow cause my parents are on a trip and we get our water from an underground well and I think it's running out cause I tried to take a bath and about half-way it got all dark brown and when it drained there was actually sand.: /........
WEEKEND COME SAVE meh PLZ!!!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE....

ANYWHO...., yeah I wanna play TF2 it's grown on my Greatly and now I wants to play it!

Nemesis_vs_Leon
09-12-2007, 08:41 PM
I love the original TF. That's why I also like unreal tournament 3. That's also why I changed my avatar today XD

so I'm going out on a (short) limb and guessing this is only for steam & not 360....(sigh : ( ) well at least I have the COD4 beta....Oh wait, I DON"T!!! oh yeah btw idk who remembered my BS story on the beta about my friends getting it an such and my pc f-ing me in the A....well now another one of my friends got one from gamespot, and he also didn't know a thing about it until I told him. and yes I havn't gotten a gamespot one.....PISSS! ME OFFF!!!
sry for the outburst i'm just edgy cause I havn't gotten much sleep from football and school and I allready have 2 projects due friday and I got my NEW ZUNE (2 days) taken away at school and now I have detention for an hour 2morrow which coincidentally is the only day off from football and I lost (or got stolen) my car keys so my car is still at the school parking lot and my grandma is taking me 2morrow cause my parents are on a trip and we get our water from an underground well and I think it's running out cause I tried to take a bath and about half-way it got all dark brown and when it drained there was actually sand.: /........
WEEKEND COME SAVE meh PLZ!!!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE....
that's an exciting weekend for sure.

tonjohn
09-12-2007, 11:54 PM
I am extremely excited to get my hands on this beta. It is games like TF2 and L4D that really inspire me to be a game developer. Valve has shown that gaming is more than just "pwning n00bs" - it is a work of art.

I will be playing Monday, hopefully as soon as it is released. Hope to see you guys in game!

hool10
09-13-2007, 05:39 AM
You could always use a coat hanger and bend it in a hook. Then slide it under the seal of your window to lift up the latch mechanism. Ever try that? lol *I'm gonna e-mail Gabe on when the beta is coming out, time wise. **On second thought, no. It will probablty be announced on Friday. There are a few tutorial vids on youtube though: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.p hp?t=596497 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596497)

hooray for zombies
09-13-2007, 08:52 AM
well, I pre-ordered my orange box (yes, I have steam now, w00t!) which I was planning to do anyways, this was just the icing on the cake.

DJTricky
09-13-2007, 10:17 AM
Well, my dad said yes!! I'm getting it pre-ordered on the weekend... woohoo! See ya there! BTW The beta is Monday 17th :D

frogopus
09-13-2007, 11:55 AM
Mine is preloaded and ready to go.

hooray for zombies
09-14-2007, 10:44 AM
Mine is preloaded and ready to go

can someone explain where I can find the beta? (very detailed please, I arez a n00b)

TheStrife
09-14-2007, 11:23 AM
Mine is preloaded and ready to go.


Same. Playing FF in the meawhile to warm up for it.

dontleave
09-14-2007, 02:03 PM
Playing FF in the meawhile to warm up for it.

Is it out, anyway I presume that'll be a bad idea.

It's a Zombie Mod - L4D difference right there.

Tarron
09-14-2007, 09:48 PM
It's a Zombie Mod - L4D difference right there.

comparing zombiemod to l4d and ff to tf2 seems a bit strange, ff has been in production for a long time, i think ff is great, and tf2 has a lot of work to win me over. pretty graphics is not what online gaming is about

QuotidianTemerity
09-14-2007, 10:16 PM
pretty graphics is not what online gaming is about


Grenade spam is not what online gaming is about

iRelentless
09-15-2007, 01:55 AM
can someone explain where I can find the beta? (very detailed please, I arez a n00b)
If you've bought it over steam and pre-loaded it then you're set for the beta. It will become playable once the beta starts.

dontleave
09-15-2007, 03:08 AM
comparing zombiemod to l4d and ff to tf2 seems a bit strange, ff has been in production for a long time, i think ff is great, and tf2 has a lot of work to win me over. pretty graphics is not what online gaming is about

Not really.

Zombie Mod - L4D share one relation. Zombies... thats' pretty much it.
FF and TF2 share the classes and thats pretty much it.

They both play out completely different.

Edit: Wonder why they would start a beta on a monday...

DJTricky
09-15-2007, 05:01 AM
This awesome beta just got better:

"Many of you have asked for a way to track your stats while playing TF2. Rest assured that no gib will be forgotten: starting Monday, your Steam Community profile will include a detailed breakdown of your TF2 player statistics."
Thats from the update news.... awesome.....

They probably put it on Monday so people have time to preorder it :)

hooray for zombies
09-15-2007, 10:39 AM
If you've bought it over steam and pre-loaded it then you're set for the beta. It will become playable once the beta starts.


thanks iRelentless, starting it now

Psyche
09-15-2007, 04:34 PM
Yay for beta, is anyone ready for a L4D Chat TF2 Beta Game Get together on Monday?

TheStrife
09-15-2007, 08:12 PM
Always.

Puscifer
09-16-2007, 03:04 AM
Just ordered my orange box wooooooooo:P

How long will the TF2 beta last for?

DJTricky
09-16-2007, 04:22 AM
How long will the TF2 beta last for?
With any luck, up until release.

Puscifer
09-16-2007, 04:46 AM
With any luck, up until release.


cool, hope to see some of the UK 411ers in the game;P

A DUCK
09-16-2007, 05:58 AM
I wont be able to play until about 1 week from today :( cause thats when im getting new computer :)

DJTricky
09-16-2007, 09:27 AM
Wooo! My dad pre-ordered it for me! I played Peggle Extreme, it's a fun game but I don't think i'll get it. Now I just have to get through school tomorrow and I can play the beta! Preload is at... 31%.... >.> 30kb/s Great... i hope this finishes today.. or I might have to wait a while. God damnit, it's going along at a crappy rate of 2% an hour, I don't think i'm gonna play this week. Stupid steam.

QuotidianTemerity
09-16-2007, 06:22 PM
Preload is at... 31%.... >.> 30kb/s Great... i hope this finishes today.. or I might have to wait a while. God damnit, it's going along at a crappy rate of 2% an hour, I don't think i'm gonna play this week. Stupid steam.

Exit Steam.
Look for a file called clientregistry.blob in your Steam directory.
Delete it.
Start up Steam.

Following these instructions should provide you with another content server. While it's not absolutely certain that your download rate will increase, it's worth a shot.

TheStrife
09-16-2007, 07:14 PM
Blah, so much for a midnight release. It's not being released until later tomorrow.

Big_Bubbaloola
09-16-2007, 10:23 PM
Does anyone know what the Tech Specs are for Orange Box or TF2???

Puscifer
09-17-2007, 12:10 AM
Does anyone know what the Tech Specs are for Orange Box or TF2???

click on orange box in the store then click on the individuall games and it shows u recommended specs like normal:)

DJTricky
09-17-2007, 12:32 AM
Well, it seems its working better now... 700kb/s, 94%.... yay!

darksora2323
09-17-2007, 12:59 AM
Does anyone know what the Tech Specs are for Orange Box or TF2???
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srte st (http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest)

Puscifer
09-17-2007, 05:42 AM
Can someone check steam forums and see if theres any news on when the TF2 betas gonna be released, i would but its taking ages to load for me.

frogopus
09-17-2007, 05:59 AM
Can someone check steam forums and see if theres any news on when the TF2 betas gonna be released, i would but its taking ages to load for me.
Don't think you're the only one with this problem

tonjohn
09-17-2007, 06:21 AM
The beta won't be released until late evening on Sept 17th (today), Pacific timezone. So I wouldn't expect it for another 12 hours.

Puscifer
09-17-2007, 06:52 AM
The beta won't be released until late evening on Sept 17th (today), Pacific timezone. So I wouldn't expect it for another 12 hours.


so what time would that be in the UK about?

iRelentless
09-17-2007, 08:52 AM
so what time would that be in the UK about?
PST is -8 for me and -7 compared to GMT. So about the 18th. :(
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pac ific-time/ (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pacific-time/)

DJTricky
09-17-2007, 09:00 AM
How late are we talking here? I'm Eastern Time -5 soooo....

tonjohn
09-17-2007, 10:18 AM
so what time would that be in the UK about?
That would be about 12 hours from when I posted.

Last time I checked, an hour in the US is the same amount of time as an hour in the UK ;)

A DUCK
09-17-2007, 10:41 AM
is the beta still not started? XD

TheStrife
09-17-2007, 10:55 AM
Nope.

dontleave
09-17-2007, 12:32 PM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeelll?

DJTricky
09-17-2007, 12:53 PM
Nooooooooppee

A DUCK
09-17-2007, 01:29 PM
This is typical of Valve :P.

hool10
09-17-2007, 01:32 PM
Even though I hate Valve doing this, it's half the fun. You can say you waited for teh tf2 beta. It brings everybody together too.

tonjohn
09-17-2007, 01:43 PM
Its like standing outside Best Buy waiting for Halo 3 (or Wii, PS3, etc) to be released. Its exciting and brings everyone together.

DJTricky
09-17-2007, 01:57 PM
Not if theres a large chance you will have to go through ANOTHER crappy school day to play it >.>

hool10
09-17-2007, 02:01 PM
Not if theres a large chance you will have to go through ANOTHER crappy school day to play it >.>
Hey you get out at 2PM and then get on the school bus. I gotta drive back home 40 miles at 4PM.

DJTricky
09-17-2007, 02:28 PM
2:45, and the transit bus sucks, i never get a seat and it takes about half an hour to get home and it so damn crowded...

hooray for zombies
09-17-2007, 02:47 PM
2:50, washington metroline with a transfer on a station with the weirdest time setup I have ever seen. (and this is in my temporary apartment that's reasonably close by, I'm about to move into an area that the metro doesn't even reach)

dontleave
09-17-2007, 02:51 PM
It brings everybody together too.

Physically no.

A DUCK
09-17-2007, 05:10 PM
Can someone check steam forums and see if theres any news on when the TF2 betas gonna be released, i would but its taking ages to load for me.

Don't think you're the only one with this problem

Wtf is up with the steam forums the last few days... it takes forever to do anything

tonjohn
09-17-2007, 05:44 PM
The forums are getting bombarded by users due to the TF2 Beta being released today. I suspect the forums won't be back to normal for another day or two.

As for the TF2 Beta, the Linux server is what is causing the hold up. They are having some issues with the LInux server but if they can't fix it in the next one to two hours ,they will go ahead and release the client.

The windows server files are available to download now.

tonjohn
09-17-2007, 06:01 PM
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/48987

TheStrife
09-17-2007, 06:48 PM
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/48987


Beat me to it.

So, should be out soonish. If you look at the servers, theres already about 15 or so up for TF2.

Puscifer
09-18-2007, 01:11 AM
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

stats page is sick...

Dead Fish
09-18-2007, 01:41 AM
stats page is sick...

Is it possible to view those stats outside of the game, via web browser?

Puscifer
09-18-2007, 02:08 AM
just open stam comm in game.

Dead Fish
09-18-2007, 02:37 AM
I don't have the beta yet (about to change soon :D ); but I just found out, that the stats can be viewed in a persons SC profile. So, all bragging will be examined closely, guys! ;)

just kidding... ^^

edit: There are achievements, yay!

TheStrife
09-18-2007, 03:10 AM
Holy. Fucking. Hell.

This game is everything I could have hoped for and more.

Big_Bubbaloola
09-18-2007, 03:12 AM
Holy. Fucking. Hell.

This game is everything I could have hoped for and more.


A little more detail perhaps?

Deltus
09-18-2007, 06:08 AM
This game is too slow to even consider playing as a fun public game, let alone continuing the competitive history of TeamFortress.

Theres no bunnyhopping with speed acceleration, guns take up 40% of the screen, no concing, no grenades and rocket jump is absolutely pointless.

I've just wasted 45 dollars, i advise anyone who wants to play TF2 with the expectations of QTF and TFC NOT to buy TF2, play FF instead.

gg

Shrubberyjsc
09-18-2007, 06:33 AM
no grenades and rocket jump is absolutely pointless.

Can you clarify for me? Is there a rocket jump, or is the jump pointless?

Deltus
09-18-2007, 07:24 AM
Can you clarify for me? Is there a rocket jump, or is the jump pointless?

I you call firing a rocket into the floor then bouncing up slightly from a jump a real rocketjump then yeh, theres rj in the game.

tonjohn
09-18-2007, 07:28 AM
Everything I've heard so far from people who have played has been nothing but great things.

dontleave
09-18-2007, 08:21 AM
Pretty sure he just doesnt know how to rocket jump.

Shrubberyjsc
09-18-2007, 08:48 AM
Ok, for a sec there it sounded like they took it out.

Anyway, I may have to get in on this. I see everyone playing and I feel left out.

*gasp* The true reason for the Steam Community becomes clear to me!

=O

Deltus
09-18-2007, 09:04 AM
Pretty sure he just doesnt know how to rocket jump.

Pretty sure you aint got a clue, lern from your idols.

--

No bunny hopping.
No grenades.
Rocket jumping is gimped.
Rockets in general are gimped.
HWGuy is hilariously overpowered.
Pyro has no flame rockets and is gimped overall.
Spawn delays.
The game is slow as fuck.

hooray for zombies
09-18-2007, 09:26 AM
My TF2 beta is not working, anyone have any advice? whenever I try, it starts up, I hear the valve music (without the image) and then it just shuts down and a message from windows tells me that the program has encountered an error and has to shut down. Halp please?

Puscifer
09-18-2007, 09:42 AM
No bunny hopping.
No grenades.
Rocket jumping is gimped.
Rockets in general are gimped.
HWGuy is hilariously overpowered.
Pyro has no flame rockets and is gimped overall.
Spawn delays.
The game is slow as fuck.

its a beta, and is a lot more then playable atm:)

dontleave
09-18-2007, 09:43 AM
Pretty sure you aint got a clue, lern from your idols.

Pretty sure you aint got a clue, and I have no idea what you mean by 'lern from your idols'

GTFO Like all that was a huge surprise. Stop bashing the game already, unless you enjoy making accounts on other forums to bash games.

TheStrife
09-18-2007, 10:00 AM
I've just wasted 45 dollars, i advise anyone who wants to play TF2 with the expectations of QTF and TFC NOT to buy TF2, play FF instead.

Protip: It's not supposed to be QTF or TFC. TF2 is something altogether new and wonderfull.

dontleave
09-18-2007, 10:11 AM
Wish I had it, I should have it... im paying an extra 5%, or $5, forgot which. Oh well, atleast it'll be that much better when I do get it.

Btw - People saying its a beta, that doesnt mean smack, its weeks till retail release, they wont change any gameplay fundamental, if anything this is just to see how servers run and the new SC stuff. And, of course bugs like always.

Puscifer
09-18-2007, 11:11 AM
the game is amazing:P when i it dosn't crash for me:(

hooray for zombies
09-18-2007, 11:28 AM
the game is amazing:P when i it dosn't crash for me:(

at least you can get it to start up amigo.

frogopus
09-18-2007, 03:24 PM
No bunny hopping.
No grenades.
Rocket jumping is gimped.
Rockets in general are gimped.
HWGuy is hilariously overpowered.
Pyro has no flame rockets and is gimped overall.
Spawn delays.
The game is slow as fuck.

Good
No opinion
Gonna have to relearn if you can't do it well bud
Faster and perhaps less splash? (ie learn to shoot better) Scout goes down in one rocket
Gets destroyed by scout, pyro, engi
Yah there are, keeps from constant zerging but is annoying
AHAHAHA

Face it, you went in expecting to hate it and thats what you get, I never thought I'd see you here going ZOMG I WAS SO WRONG.

tonjohn
09-18-2007, 09:37 PM
AWESOME game! Just got done playing with Chris and Mike of TRS :)

Big_Bubbaloola
09-18-2007, 10:01 PM
Theres no bunnyhopping with speed acceleration

And that's a bad thing because ........

The one thing above all others that really hacked me off in MP games was these little idiots bunnyhoppin all over the shop!

"I got skillz!!!11!!"

No, no you haven't. Your over competiative. Just enjoy the game and stop ruining the vibe for everyone else. I can just see the real life SAS jumping up and down in the middle of a firefight in downtown Basra shouting "I ownz u!!!!" Sheesh.

TheStrife
09-18-2007, 11:53 PM
AWESOME game! Just got done playing with Chris and Mike of TRS :)



Hehe, yeah. I dominated MacMan :D

hool10
09-19-2007, 03:06 AM
No bunny hopping.
No grenades.
Rocket jumping is gimped.
Rockets in general are gimped.
HWGuy is hilariously overpowered.
Pyro has no flame rockets and is gimped overall.
Spawn delays.
The game is slow as fuck.
1) That's a good thing to prevent jumping people everywhere.
2) No nades for constant explosions and chaos everywhere? The soldier and demo provide plenty explosions with turrets.
3) Rocket jumping is gimped.
4) Rockets arn't gimped when used properly.
5) He is'nt overpowered. A turret can easily take him down and 1hs from a sniper can take him down. He goes down fast just like a tank in l4d.
6) Pyro is meant for people cramped together. When used properly, it is devastating. He's meant to push the opposition out of the area and create chaos.
7) AGREE

My only other complaint is that it's much slower than what I'm used to. That's a good thing though. Everything is good and everything has been tried and tested by Valve which obviously shows. My other 2 complaints is that scouts don't really have a place anymore. The turrets are too powerfull also. Usually a team is complete engineers and it's impossible to get past a lvl 2 turret, let alone a 3. A demoman and soldier need to have a clear shot too but usually that turret takes you down faster than you can say "turret". It will take time to get used to and it has it's own style. IT'S NOT TEAM FORTRESS! IT'S TEAM FORTRESS 2! You need to get used to the game because it's completely different and you can't go around blowing shit up willy nilly anymore. How do you get to view your screenshots btw?

Puscifer
09-19-2007, 03:11 AM
How do you get to view your screenshots btw?


yea and how do u view the moments when u press F5 and record them?

hool10
09-19-2007, 05:16 AM
yea and how do u view the moments when u press F5 and record them?
There is a folder called "screenshots" but I can't open them. I have some really neat ones in there too.

frogopus
09-19-2007, 06:01 AM
How is the rocket jumping gimped, it seems to work pretty close to TFC, unless I'm missing something (real question not a challenge :P)

The pyro does seem situational but much more useful than TFC. For example, I played a game guarding a cap point from spies, with a dispenser behind me. I was able to constantly spam fire to catch a whole team of invis spies trying to sneak through and test friend from foe. I had a medic backing me up the whole time (which I appreciated since it couldn't have been all that exciting sitting as long as he did). I really enjoyed that.

Engi turrets have been beefed up but they have lost their EMPs. I've only seen a few scouts manage to dart past turrets. Typically you need someone to take these out. The most obvious turret counter (if the turret is placed well) is the medic. Otherwise, rapid darting behind cover can fool the turret.

Theres no way of knowing class balance at this point.

The pace is slower than TFC but it is hardly a slow game!

Dead Fish
09-19-2007, 11:09 AM
I wonder if the stats will be wiped fo all players as soon as it officially releases..? Does anybody know about that?

dontleave
09-19-2007, 12:04 PM
I wonder if the stats will be wiped fo all players as soon as it officially releases..? Does anybody know about that?

Me too, I don't really care if anyone stats are ahead of mine, because as for as I know theres no special thing if they are. Im just curious about it also.

Also compared to TFC or FF, TF2 from what I've heard is a slow game(in comparison). Think grenades make it drop down like 8 notches on the speed-o-meter.

Still wish I had it though, so I could see for myself... best thing to do is to not go in there expecting it anything like TFC

darksora2323
09-20-2007, 12:25 PM
NEW TF2 VIDEO (not offical)
it shows everything in TF2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynrF2es08ds