cross-platform

[General IR]

does anyone think its a good idea to have cross-platform games. to balence the abilities of the pc and 360, when someone on the pc turns to fast they lose accurce

it would be great if there was some kind of menu where any 360 player can download mods on there hardrive.
i use 360 and i want mods

[A DUCK]

does anyone think its a good idea to have cross-platform games. to balence the abilities of the pc and 360, when someone on the pc turns to fast they lose accurce


no. unless its 360 and ps3 or something, nothing with computer though.

[General IR]

well a game called shadowrun had it, and its fine

[Chronos]

well a game called shadowrun had it, and its fine
Except that gamers were forced to pay xbox subscriptions? That's kinda a problem.

[frogopus]

This has come up a lot and I'll always say its a simple solution. Let the server host decide if the server is console exclusive or not. This let's friends play with friends and lets those who are against it not deal with it.

[A DUCK]

This let's friends play with friends and lets those who are against it not deal with it.

Unless of course the majority of servers are one or the other and you dont have a big selection.

[General IR]

Except that gamers were forced to pay xbox subscriptions? That's kinda a problem.


why is that a "problem", they can still play together.and its only like $6 a month. you pc guys pay for crappy PRGS for more then that

[Chronos]

why is that a "problem", they can still play together.and its only like $6 a month. you pc guys pay for crappy PRGS for more then that
First of all, PC's own the shit out of consoles.

Secondly, why should PC players who don't own a 360 be forced to pay a lame ass monthly fee to play a game they already payed for? Sorry, we don't do that here in PC land.

MMORPG's are far more worth it than what xbox live provides. You shouldn't have to pay extra to get the basic bits of a game. It's just Microsoft siphoning money off of the casual gaming noobs that are on consoles.

[General IR]

forced to pay a lame ass monthly fee

who said your forced. i dont play shadowrun and i dont know if it still cost for you pc guys.
and what MMORPG do you dont have to pay monthly

PC's own the shit out of consoles
generaly yes, for working and stuff, but the 360 was made just for gaming online. theres almost no lag, hackers are always cought, and we dont have to install useless crap

think of it like this, the online community for 360 is like Beverly Hills and the pc online community is the Getto

[Chronos]

who said your forced. i dont play shadowrun and i dont know if it still cost for you pc guys.
You do need to pay to play Shadowrun. There are PC only servers, but the games so dead no one plays it on PC only.
and what MMORPG do you dont have to pay monthly
You actaully GET CONTENT when you pay for an MMORPG. On a 360, you need to pay EXTRA (LMFAO, ON TOP OF THE MONTHLY FEE) for more (and completely CRAP) content like a new map or two. Woohoo. Plus, you're playing to play with thousands of players in an MMO.
generaly yes, for working and stuff
Rofl wtf is this a mac commercial?
but the 360 was made just for gaming online.
Try casual gaming.
theres almost no lag
WRONG!! Go play Gears of War.
hackers are always cought
I'll give you that one.
and we dont have to install useless crap
L2PC?

[frogopus]

and what MMORPG do you dont have to pay monthly
Guild Wars. (I think that was your question, there was a bit of typoness going on there)

This thread doesn't need to turn into another PC vs console, even though the topic makes it so easy.

[hooray for zombies]

Why is it Chronos, that you can always be found at the head of any PC-Console war?

[General IR]

fine whatever forget it, but sereously i want to download mods

[Chronos]

Why is it Chronos, that you can always be found at the head of any PC-Console war?
Because playing online games since I was 9 and owning an amazing gaming rig and an xbox 360 has taught me a thing or two and I kinda know what I'm talking about.

Plus, I hate console noobs who've never played a PC game in their life act like consoles are the best way to play online games.

[frogopus]

Plus, I hate console noobs who've never played a PC game in their life act like consoles are the best way to play online games.

Nonetheless, one or the other isn't the issue here its where or not they can come together.

[iRelentless]

but sereously i want to download mods
I understand your pain. e.g. Oblivion for console gamers must be like a big plate of spicy meatballs, except with only a few drops of sauce which cost a few $ each.
Still a great snack, but not quite a meal.

it would be great if there was some kind of menu where any 360 player can download mods on there hardrive.
i use 360 and i want mods
I don't think a menu would cut it because there's no way Microsoft would host it all for free. Making a free mod is nowhere near as fun if you have to pay to share it, so for it to take off you would have to be able download them on a PC, or maybe a Mac, and transfer them across.

If anyone gets free mod's to the 360 my money's on Valve. Unless there's Microsoft red tape blocking it, which I guess there is because so many of the achievements would be easy to glitch with mods.

when someone on the pc turns to fast they lose accurce
I've never had a problem with that. Mouse sensitivity is always configurable and aiming with a mouse is easier than an analog stick for most people. Mainly because instead of your thumb you can use your whole forearm/wrist to aim, which is a lot easier to do accurately at speed.
I agree that a mouse with really high or low sensitivity is hard to aim with though. Too fast and you can't aim accurately, too slow and you run out of desk space all the time.

[Hauger]

Between consoles, sure. Between consoles and Pc, no, not a good idea at all.

[Big_Bubbaloola]

By the way, Shadowrun's dev (FASA I believe) has shut down, so no more updates for PC or 360. Half of the staff have been folded into the other dev teams at M$ Games and the rest let go.

Just thought you'd like to know.

[Plankie]

Guild Wars.

WOOH, GUILD WARS! I play that sometimes. It's quite entertaining. But, to be honest, it's not a MMORPG, it's a "Competitive Online RPG". The game is pretty much "instance"-d, and you can't meet people everywhere like in regular MMO's.

[frogopus]

WOOH, GUILD WARS! I play that sometimes. It's quite entertaining. But, to be honest, it's not a MMORPG, it's a "Competitive Online RPG". The game is pretty much "instance"-d, and you can't meet people everywhere like in regular MMO's.
Which is probably why I couldn't get into it.

[tp500]

Quoting: General IR
theres almost no lag

WRONG!! Go play Gears of War.
What the fuck are you talking about?? Cronos you seem like a typical pc fanboy. I play Gears all the time and theres like a .25 second lag, which really doesnt make a difference when your shooting at someone. I love my 360, but I also like to play PC. I am a 360 fanboy but I dont hate PC. I play 360 because I like the community. I have to say that its two completely different experiences between console and pc. PC is shitty online. Sure the game is fun, but you always have an asshole or two who yells the stupidest shit, and most of the time when you tell the "admin" they turn about to be those assholes.

On 360, you barely get those people. You have people who are hardcore gamers, which those assholes on pc are, but they dont want to come in and just yell and be dumb. They are there to compete with people in the game. Which is why I play online. Someone brought up a point about the xbox fee. All I have to say is, fuck off. Seriously guys. I pay 40 bucks for 13 months of awesomeness with friends and people who want to actually play a game because they wanna have fun.

There is also the point of glitching on PC. Now I'll admit Gears of War, for example, had shitloads of glitches, that were fun as hell. Seriously. But they found them quick and took them off. On PC, I dont like the fact that people can fuck with an awesome game and make it a really shitty experience.

IN CONCLUSION to this borderline essay, I think cross-platform works really well. My step brother played Shadowrun in his room on PC while I was on 360. It was seamless. We even switched platforms. Sure it takes a second to adjust to a thumbstick from a mouse, but you get use to it, and we rack up and even amount of kills. These ridiculous posts I see ALLLLLLLLLLLL over the internet about stupid platform wars are just fanboys nit picking at all the little details of each platform. Cross platform is awesome. I hope Left 4 Dead implements it.

[General IR]

Quoting: General IR
when someone on the pc turns to fast they lose accurce

I've never had a problem with that. Mouse sensitivity is always configurable and aiming with a mouse is easier than an analog stick for most people

you missunderstud me, what i ment is that they made it so when you turn fast, your crossairs are a lot bigger

[iRelentless]

you missunderstud me, what i ment is that they made it so when you turn fast, your crossairs are a lot bigger
Oh, I've only ever seen them get bigger when you move, to loosely represent how much accuracy your losing from moving, not seen it happen from just turning before.

If it's Shadowrun then maybe they did it as a cheap way of making it harder for PC gamers to aim because analog is harder to aim with unless your experienced with it. Mouse is usually easier to pick up if your not used to either.
I'm probably really bias though because I'm a lot more used to a mouse than an analog stick.

[Name Withheld]

Too be honest, I'd like cross-platform. But ONLY to play with friends who lack one thing to play on to another.

But I also think the game internally should not be altered if a server has PC and 360's playing together, why should you revoke PC's aim or give 360 a magnetic crosshair when they are playing coop together, I think it'd be fine and fun how it is.

Even if they end up vs infected to survivors PC's, 360 and etc nothing should be changed, I don't think it would matter.

They should have it server side for the two to play together, but I actually want the idea in so I can play with a friend. But I also think if they do, don't change anything to balance out the fact there's PC and 360s together in the server, it'd be fine how it is.

[engagequadlaser]

I wouldn't, they'd inevitably gimp the pc players in some roundabout fashion like they did with Shadowrun to compensate for the consolers and their primitive thumbsticks.

[Chronos]

I play Gears all the time and theres like a .25 second lag, which really doesnt make a difference when your shooting at someone.
You're entire post is flawed after reading that. If you can't see how obvious the bullet delay in that game is, you're a retarded. Hear everyone complain about "Host Advantage"? It's more like "lagg advantage."

I think your next point was that you don't get bad players or something. Rofl. The 360 player base is retarded. 5 year olds and retards galore. Guess that's what you expect from a kiddie/casual gamer system.

And rofl at saying any of the Gears bugs got fixed quickly. I'm pretty sure you can still crabwalk.

[tp500]

Dude, host advantage is so bullshit. It's for kids who suck. People make host advantage out to be like the host is some kind of god. It's dumb. The host has like no lag true, but they mostly play stupid because of it. They dont maneuver a lot and they mostly use shotgun. All you have to do is think quicker. And you win. But still that's one game. And you are right about 5 year olds. They are annoying as shit. But they're on every console, not just 360. And it's not like EVERYBODY crabwalks. I've seen like 5 people do it, and thats when people first discovered.

I didn't say ALL of the glitches got fixed. You can't do the chainsaw glitches, go under the level, you can go past the wall on mansion, but you cant go past a few feet to go all the way around the outside.

Anyway, I'm done replying because we're both turning this into a console war and we know it. Happy playing. Btw do you have an Xbox? Whats your GT?

[dontleave]

Im late, im sure everything that had to be said has been said. But with regards to IR's second post, Shadowrun sucks. Sure its cross platform and whatever but the game itself is terrible.

[Shrubberyjsc]

Isn't this argument moot?

I coulda sworn I read that Left 4 Dead will not be cross-platform.

[General IR]

I coulda sworn I read that Left 4 Dead will not be cross-platform.
i said "does anyone think its a good idea to have cross-platform games"
i did not say it was going to

[tp500]

I like the idea, because I wanna be able to play with my friend on 360 while im on computer.Cause I know it'll be better on there.

[Shrubberyjsc]

i said "does anyone think its a good idea to have cross-platform games"
i did not say it was going to

. 1 . 2 . >>


I was well aware of that.

But, If the developers aren't going to do it, then what's the point of arguing over it.

It's moot.

[Chronos]

Dude, host advantage is so bullshit. It's for kids who suck.
*forehead to desk*

Go read up a thing or two about networking. A host has 0ms of lagg. No matter what. Clients will always have lagg. Lagg in GoW increases bullet delay. Thus, a host advantage is in place.
l2p

And like I said, I do have an xbox. Chronos525.
Only reason I own it is to play some good games that aren't available on PC (like GoW before I realized the multiplayerw as flawed, Saint's Row, Halo 3...)

[tp500]

Go read up a thing or two about networking. A host has 0ms of lagg. No matter what. Clients will always have lagg. Lagg in GoW increases bullet delay. Thus, a host advantage is in place.
I didn't say it WASNT there. Im just saying it doesnt make the host all powerful and unstoppable. You just have to react a little quicker to kill him. And thanks Captain Obvious for pointing out that the host of every game has 0ms of lag. But yea lets play 360 sometime. Ill add you.

[Chronos]

I didn't say it WASNT there. Im just saying it doesnt make the host all powerful and unstoppable. You just have to react a little quicker to kill him. And thanks Captain Obvious for pointing out that the host of every game has 0ms of lag. But yea lets play 360 sometime. Ill add you.
You can't just say "react faster" because the amount of lagg that you get can be very severe to very mild. If you at the same skill level as the host logically you can never win. Making up excuses like that for a multiplayer game is pathetic and thus why xbox is often flawed. Obviously it depends on the game, but the majority of games have lagg issues like that. Luckily, the one game that isn't coming out on PC, Halo 3, doesn't have a slew of lagg issues like GoW did.

[tp500]

Chronos I added you on xbox, my gamertag is my username on here, tp500.

[Chronos]

Waiting for Halo 3...

[tp500]

Isnt everyone lol

[General IR]

halo 3 will be huge. did they say how long untill its for pc, my guess is a long time

[Chronos]

halo 3 will be huge. did they say how long untill its for pc, my guess is a long time
It'll probably be another crappy port like Halo 2 because they're lazy.

[tp500]

Yea Halo 2 for pc didnt have the magic of the Xbox version.

[Chronos]

Yea Halo 2 for pc didnt have the magic of the Xbox version.
Lol what magic? It just ran like shit, had shit controls, and failed miserably. Halo 2 wasn't anything that great either. Even when it first came out.

[tp500]

Again coming from a PC fan that hates consoles whos motto on Xbox Live is PC>Console, that doesnt say much.

[General IR]

Halo 2 wasn't anything that great either. Even when it first came out.

you have to be joking, maby its not so good now that halo 3 is almost hear but when it first can out everyone loved it. and you know damn well that it was great, maby not for pc but for xbox it was the best

[Chronos]

and you know damn well that it was great, maby not for pc but for xbox it was the best
I only played it on xbox and it wasn't that great.

Again coming from a PC fan that hates consoles whos motto on Xbox Live is PC>Console, that doesnt say much.
PC's are better.

[tp500]

Nerd.

[Chronos]

Nerd.
Calling me a nerd on a video game forum? Welcome to irony-ville. Population: you.

[General IR]

I only played it on xbox and it wasn't that great

thats the crapiest opinion i every heard

[Chronos]

thats the crapiest opinion i every heard
That is the crappiest opinion that I have ever heard.*

Halo 2 was very bland, buggy, and problematic. And none of the huge exploits got fixed even after years of play.

[tp500]

Shut up, go and play Counterstrike, cause that game is sooooooooo perfect. I hate you damn PC geeks. Go outside.

[Chronos]

Shut up, go and play Counterstrike, cause that game is sooooooooo perfect. I hate you damn PC geeks. Go outside.
Well I've clearly verbally owned you because you're resorting to calling me a geek and saying I have no life (on a video game forum!) so thank you for giving up and showing how childish xbox players are. And yeah, Counterstrike is pretty perfect. That's why it's one of the biggest league games ever.

And since when have 'nerd' or 'geek' been insults? If you're calling me that I'm pretty sure you're admitting I'm smarter than you.

[General IR]

Halo 2 was very bland, buggy, and problematic

wrong wrong wrong wrong
also, we never have to deal with moders. theres like a moder for every pc game
and lets just face it, live brings more to the table and we dont have to install crap for every game you get and not to mention vireses

[The One]

not to mention vireses
I would've supported you 100% but I do only 99.9% cause you misspelled Viruses.

And yes Live is alot better than pc imo. I can own anyone on a pc with xbox better than PC with PC.

[General IR]

just a typo

[The One]

just a typo
haha I know just messin with ya.

[General IR]

halo 3 is coming. it has cool file sharing this i dont think any pc game has

[The One]

halo 3 is coming. it has cool file sharing this i dont think any <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href=&quot;http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=2 4&k=pc%20game&quot; onmouseover=&quot;window.status='pc game'; return true;&quot; onmouseout=&quot;window.status=''; return true;&quot;>pc game</a> has
0wn3d

[Chronos]

also, we never have to deal with moders. theres like a moder for every pc game
and lets just face it, live brings more to the table and we dont have to install crap for every game you get and not to mention vireses
You are the biggest fucking dumbass I've ever heard and I'm not even kidding. Modders?! Modders are people that make mods for games which are good. Maybe you're thinking of HACKERS? And LIVE?! LIVE IS A FUCKING JOKE!! Any true PC gamer that has used Live can see it's obvious flaws, limitations, and problems. Maybe you can't because you're a nub-ass casual gamer. And viruses? LMFAO!! L2PC, seriously.

it has cool file sharing this i dont think any pc game has
WTF are you talking about? Replay files?! QUAKE HAD DEMOS. Are you retarded?

And yes Live is alot better than pc imo. I can own anyone on a pc with xbox better than PC with PC
Yeah 1v1 me in any real FPS and we'll see how well that goes. Oh wait. It isn't even possible unless you hook up an xbox controller to your PC. Look at the xbox's limitations shining once again.

0wn3d
Owned what? All I see is a failure trying to use leet speak when he has no idea where it derived from and a failure screwing up a quote with:

halo 3 is coming. it has cool file sharing this i dont think any <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href=&quot;http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=2 4&k=pc%20game&quot; onmouseover=&quot;window.status='pc game'; return true;&quot; onmouseout=&quot;window.status=''; return true;&quot;>pc game</a> has

Self-ownage.

[dontleave]

Fuck IR you're an idiot... VIRUSES!!! NO PC HAS FILE SHARING LALWLAWLWLAWKAFGASKHNSFJKASGKDBGNKL BFGSDKFGWE78653485 EFGASDF

Wait... im not going to bother... but I will ask, do you know what a modder is?

If there was ANY, universal concept, ever to be realized. It is that General IR = EPIC FAIL

Crap, my limited vocabulary can't sum how stupid you are... and im on NEITHER side here... I could care less about Halo, and I know PC's are better...

but you... you... are... *static*

[tp500]

Well I've clearly verbally owned you because you're resorting to calling me a geek and saying I have no life (on a video game forum!) so thank you for giving up and showing how childish xbox players are. And yeah, Counterstrike is pretty perfect. That's why it's one of the biggest league games ever.

And since when have 'nerd' or 'geek' been insults? If you're calling me that I'm pretty sure you're admitting I'm smarter than you.

Ok dude, I know that you wouldn't be this kind of dumbass if I knew you personally. Why do all people have this different persona of &quot;I must outsmart anyone who challenges me!&quot; Im a geek too, I love my xbox. But I know for a fact that PC has MUCH bigger geeks than xbox because there is one of those geeks in my house. He sits on his ass all day in his room, and plays WHAT!! Counter-strike, who'd have thought! He types with perfect spelling and grammar, like you damn people, uses FAIL to anything they deem deserves it, and are just completely different people when they're not in cyber land where no one knows them. That is why I &quot;lost&quot; this oh so fucking important debate on me representing the ENTIRE Xbox community as childish. Counter-strike is one of the biggest league games you say? So you win money by clicking a mouse and pressing keys faster than someone else. Congratulations. Now go outside. Im sorry im not even directing this at you, I just hate people on the internet. Seriously I hope we play on 360 sometime.

PS: I dont FAIL because I didn't use paragraphs.

[Chronos]

Congratulations. Now go outside. Im sorry im not even directing this at you, I just hate people on the internet.
First off, I do go outside a lot. I have a lot of friends (although any of them that actually play games are xbox noobs who are completely computer illiterate). And if you hate people on the internet, http://www.flamehaus.com/bbs/images/smiles/gtfo.gif

No one will even know you're gone.

And I definitely don't see 'geek' or owning at counter-strike as insults. And for the record, I don't play CS much at all.

[tp500]

whatever, I'll never meet you in real life so this is pointless and I'm kicking myself for even posting this, but I'm done with this thread, you've just showed me how typical PC guys can be.

[General IR]

You are the biggest fucking dumbass I've ever heard and I'm not even kidding. Modders?! Modders are people that make mods for games
in live modders is the term we use for cheaters because they use mod chips or &quot;mod there xbox.&quot;
WTF are you talking about? Replay files?! QUAKE HAD DEMOS. Are you retarded?
you dont under stand the features of halo 3 file sharing, its not just a retarded demo. when you record your game you are able to FF,rewind,chang camera angals, share forge maps (a type of map editor), and custum game types
General IR = EPIC FAIL
theres no good reason why anyone would change there name like that

[Chronos]

whatever, I'll never meet you in real life so this is pointless and I'm kicking myself for even posting this, but I'm done with this thread, you've just showed me how typical PC guys can be.
And you've proved how stupid xbox kiddies are.you dont under stand the features of halo 3 file sharing, its not just a retarded demo. when you record your game you are able to FF,rewind,chang camera angals
WELCOME TO DEMO RECORDINGS!! It's been available for years.
share forge maps (a type of map editor), and custum game types
Maps and custom game types are the same thing and have been around for ages. Also, you can't even make new maps. All you can do is play Garry's Mod in it editing entities.

[dontleave]

theres no good reason why anyone would change there name like that

You're dumb.

Perfect spelling and grammar is bad? Since when?

&quot;Pc guys&quot; maybe ass holes, but only when you Xbox noobs insist on being stupid.

[General IR]

Quoting: General IR
whatever, I'll never meet you in real life so this is pointless and I'm kicking myself for even posting this, but I'm done with this thread, you've just showed me how typical PC guys can be.

And you've proved how stupid xbox kiddies are.

you asshole, i did not post that. someone else did
grammar is bad
i have a learning disabilety for the last time.
also, for 360 you dont have to install alot a crap and we dont need to always meet the system requirments

[Chronos]

you asshole, i did not post that. someone else did
I didn't edit it. The quote feature screwed it up itself. I don't know how.
for 360 you dont have to install alot a crap and we dont need to always meet the system requirments
Excuses for computer illiterate people.

[General IR]

i will admit that pcs can have better graphics, if its a high-end pc which cost like $6,000

[Chronos]

will admit that pcs can have better graphics, if its a high-end pc which cost like $6,000
YOU HAVE
NO IDEA
WHAT YOU
ARE TALKING
ABOUT.

My PC can be built now for $700 and it's tons more powerful than an xbox. I built it myself in december for $1500. And yes, the prices have gone down that much.

[General IR]

dont you need to buy a lot of stuff in order to make it &quot;high-end&quot; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIMVPzUkJ4k&mode=related&search=)

[Chronos]

dont you need to buy a lot of stuff in order to make it &quot;high-end&quot;
$700 builds my PC. Which runs Crysis fine.

That video is a total fucking joke. And made in windows movie maker with the default background/font. Why the fuck didn't he just type it up instead of making a fucking stupid video?

[dontleave]

i have a learning disabilety for the last time.

You obviously have problems in reading comprehension also because for one, I wasn't talking to you, and second... well you have problems.

i will admit that pcs can have better graphics, if its a high-end pc which cost like $6,000

Dual core, 8800GTX, 2gb ddr2, and 37&quot; screen cost me $2200 CANADIAN.

It also came with Vista, but I recently uninstalled it... talk about wowpwnt, everything runs way smooother.

[Chronos]

37&quot; screen
If you include a monitor cost, you have to include an HDTV cost for consoles.

[General IR]

well im in a bad mood now so i will now say stuff i didnt feel like saying before
You are the biggest fucking dumbass I've ever heard and I'm not even kidding. Modders?! Modders are people that make mods for games which are good
you sounder very sure about yourself, didnt even know about a simple fucking term live poeple use. fucking bitch
Any true PC gamer that has used Live can see it's obvious flaws, limitations, and problems.
and everyone else can see all the flaws, limitations, and problems with your fucking PCs. high cost for any good gaming, instuling lots of crap, having to upgrate every fucking day, crapy fram rate, lack of any good social features that dosent involve typing.

and EVERYTHING has flaws or problems, because if they didnt have flaws or problems then it would perfect and nothing is perfect in this world

[Chronos]

and everyone else can see all the flaws, limitations, and problems with your fucking PCs
Okay, let's see.
high cost
$700 doesn't sound high to me. Plus no online subscription fee like LIVE.
instuling lots of crap
I think you mean installing lots of crap. If you have a problem with installing programs like it's difficult, you're a computer illiterate person and are not very smart. Hence why consoles appeal to you.
having to upgrate every fucking day
Upgrade... what? I haven't bought anything new since my entire computer in december. And before that, I didn't upgrade anything for 2-3 years for my older computer.
crapy fram rate
You can't recognize a difference in FPS as long as it's above 30 and I never even come near 30 so yeah.
lack of any good social features that dosent involve typing
Ever heard of ventrilo? Teamspeak? Xfire? In-game VOIP? All of these are so much easier to use than the crappy system in place on xbox live. Plus, you can't even type on Xbox live. You need to use an on-screen keyboard. Pathetic.
and EVERYTHING has flaws or problems
Well xbox has more and I'm shooting down all the flaws you're pointing out.

[General IR]

$700 doesn't sound high to me. Plus no online subscription fee like LIVE.

what pc game doesnt have a fee, but many of the pc games has a fee for EACH game. any free game is crap
If you have a problem with installing programs like it's difficult, you're a computer illiterate person and are not very smart
i didnt say it was hard, what i thought everyone knew was that your at risk of viruses
ventrilo? Teamspeak? Xfire? In-game VOIP? All of these are so much easier to use than the crappy system in place on xbox live. Plus, you can't even type on Xbox live
#1: what the hell are those
#2: the system they give use on live is so very easy, a 5 year old can figure it out
#3: did you ever hear of instent messager for xbox live, all you need is a small textingboard that fits in the bottom of the controler (http://www.tech2.com/media/images/img_5361_360keyboard.jpg)
Well xbox has more
what fucking flaws are you talking about

[Chronos]

what pc game doesnt have a fee, but many of the pc games has a fee for EACH game. any free game is crap
Rofl wtf are you talking about? No game requires a subscription unless it's an MMO which gives streaming content and massive amounts of players online.
risk of viruses
ROFL, viruses. Only a complete and utter moron would get a virus now-a-days.
#1: what the hell are those
Proof you don't know jack-shit about PC gaming and have no right to talk here.
#2: the system they give use on live is so very easy
Easy, a limiting. It takes forever to open the dashboard and send a message in game that it isn't even possible if you're playing seriously.
#3: did you ever hear of instent messager for xbox live, all you need is a small textingboard that fits in the bottom of the controler
Paying extra for more accessories including one that is completely retarded and an over-sized paperweight.
what fucking flaws are you talking about
And instant-messenger on live is MSN, it's been around for years. Took a while for xbox to catch up and use it rofl.
what fucking flaws are you talking about
I've already told you.
Limitations.
Player-base.
Bad controls.
Lesser graphics.
More lagg.
Not many good games.
Subscription fee for basic online connectivity.

[General IR]

Easy, a limiting. It takes forever to open the dashboard and send a message in game that it isn't even possible if you're playing seriously
i takes like 2 seconds for it to open, and not being able to message during play is one problem
completely retarded and an over-sized paperweight.
only the PS3 is a paper weight, if you mean that for 360 then you are a complete fucking retared
Limitations.
Player-base.
Bad controls.
Lesser graphics.
More lagg.
Not many good games.
Subscription fee for basic online connectivity.
#1: the PC also has limitations
#2: what does that mean
#3: my ass
#4: avarage 360 game looks better the the average PC game, if you want good graphics on PC then you need to fork over a lot of cash
#5: the PC is master of lagg
#6: again thats retarded
#7: basic? what about the arcade, marketplace, and a movie rental shop (that you can watch on tv and not on the &quot;smaller screan&quot;

[Chronos]

if you mean that for 360 then you are a complete fucking retared
I'm talking about the texting controller.
#1: the PC also has limitations
#2: what does that mean
#3: my ass
#4: avarage 360 game looks better the the average PC game, if you want good graphics on PC then you need to fork over a lot of cash
#5: the PC is master of lagg
#6: again thats retarded
#7: basic? what about the arcade, marketplace, and a movie rental shop (that you can watch on tv and not on the &quot;smaller screan&quot;

1. A lot less than a console, that's for sure.
2. The entire population of xbox is 5 year old kiddies and retards.
3. Keyboard and mouse > Controller. If you disagree with that, everyone in the world will know you are retarded.
4. Wrong. Compare Halo 2 to Half-life 2. Those were topnotch when they came out and Half-Life 2 wins graphic-wise hands down. And $700 is not a lot of money.
5. The PC is the master of NO LAGG. For you see, on PC's, we actually play our game with DEDICATED SERVERS. If you don't know what that means, you may as well give up now.
6. Only game even worth playing right now is Halo 3.
7. You need to pay for all those extras. Movies, downloadable content, arcade games. And if you want a big screen TV, that's already over the cost for a computer.

[General IR]

1. A lot less than a console, that's for sure.
2. The entire population of xbox is 5 year old kiddies and retards.
3. Keyboard and mouse > Controller. If you disagree with that, everyone in the world will know you are retarded.
4. Wrong. Compare Halo 2 to Half-life 2. Those were topnotch when they came out and Half-Life 2 wins graphic-wise hands down. And $700 is not a lot of money.
5. The PC is the master of NO LAGG. For you see, on PC's, we actually play our game with DEDICATED SERVERS. If you don't know what that means, you may as well give up now.
6. Only game even worth playing right now is Halo 3.
7. You need to pay for all those extras. Movies, downloadable content, arcade games. And if you want a big screen TV, that's already over the cost for a computer.

#1: there have basicly the same amount of limitations
#2: that is a big problem, but we have &quot;trueskill&quot; which matches everyone up with people with similar skill
#3: &quot;everyone in the world&quot; what about the millions who play live and doctors say lots more carpal tunnel then controler
#4: i said AVERAGE
#5: i dont realy know but i know a non-dedicated servers will have hosts. but still you know damn well that theres lots of lagg
#6:GOW, dead rising, FCIP, crackdown, condemed, call of duty 2/3, ect... many many more. your blind to not see that
#7: i said a rental shop, by which i ment its like a renting store but at home and the tv is an exesory of the whole famliy to use, not just for video games

[Chronos]

You really have no clue what you're talking about and I know that even if I just keep correcting you, you'll continue living in la-la land until multiple others tell you the same. But just about everyone of those bullets had incorrectness in it.

[General IR]

Wrong. Compare Halo 2 to Half-life 2

i just remembered that im talking about 360 and not last gen xbox
also you seem to ignore the limitations of pc, you need fucking system requirments and all this virus protction and a whole lot of other crap.
and face it they BOTH have the same amount of fucking PROS and CONS. there not realy that different if you think about it. its the small things we're arguing about

[Chronos]

you need fucking system requirments and all this virus protction and a whole lot of other crap.
Except you don't and you don't know what you're talking abut.

[General IR]

Except you don't and you don't know what you're talking abut.

so what you saying is that you dont need to meet system requirments, any virue protection, or the other crap

[D_Smid4499]

Quoting: Chronos
1. A lot less than a console, that's for sure.
2. The entire population of xbox is 5 year old kiddies and retards.
3. Keyboard and mouse > Controller. If you disagree with that, everyone in the world will know you are retarded.
4. Wrong. Compare Halo 2 to Half-life 2. Those were topnotch when they came out and Half-Life 2 wins graphic-wise hands down. And $700 is not a lot of money.
5. The PC is the master of NO LAGG. For you see, on PC's, we actually play our game with DEDICATED SERVERS. If you don't know what that means, you may as well give up now.
6. Only game even worth playing right now is Halo 3.
7. You need to pay for all those extras. Movies, downloadable content, arcade games. And if you want a big screen TV, that's already over the cost for a computer.


#1: there have basicly the same amount of limitations
#2: that is a big problem, but we have &quot;trueskill&quot; which matches everyone up with people with similar skill
#3: &quot;everyone in the world&quot; what about the millions who play live and doctors say lots more carpal tunnel then controler
#4: i said AVERAGE
#5: i dont realy know but i know a non-dedicated servers will have hosts. but still you know damn well that theres lots of lagg
#6:GOW, dead rising, FCIP, crackdown, condemed, call of duty 2/3, ect... many many more. your blind to not see that
#7: i said a rental shop, by which i ment its like a renting store but at home and the tv is an exesory of the whole family to use, not just for video games

1. PC does not have limitations, limitations mean holding you back, say you want to play css in a fucking trash yard, u make a fucking map, no console game has a map editor except far cry, no the forge is not a map editor if you look at videos of it, it's an in game feature you can use to buy vehicles, explosives, and weapons, no solid brushes. If you mod on your xbox, xbox live bans you.

2. Wrong, all xbox live are kids, every time you join a game it's all little fucking tykes who haven't reached fucking puberty.

3. You honestly think that the controller is better? Grow the fuck up, jsut because you don't own a computer and you use your dad's shitty fucking 3 year old rig that lags on every game doesn't mean the keyboard sucks, mouse + keyboard requires skill, waiting for your gun to move cuz it's analog is bullshit. While you reach for the B button to melee me I already melee'd you because my free pinky is on the shift key :P. Bitch.

4. You are fucking retarded, the source engine still holds to some games released today, not to mentioned it'll be overhauled during Episode 2 release. Console games will never reach PC graphics.

5. Just because your on your shitty stock 3 year old family computer with the Light Internet package from your local ISP you can't blame the PC for lag, the PC is the opposite of lag, everything from a console is from the PC. A console is jsut a shittier version of the PC.

6. Half of those games are already on the PC, not to mention PC has way more games then all console's combined, not only that but there is also mods, no you can't say console games can be modded, sure back in the xbox days, but mods will get you instantly banned :).

7. Well if your using the ol' family TV, THEN YOU CAN'T SAY THE XBOX LOOKS BETTER, AND THE RESOLUTION OF A COMPUTER SCREEN SURPASSES HD TV'S BY MILES....


FAIL

[Shrubberyjsc]

/agree with D_Smid4499

But keep in mind, 'Console Vs. PC' isn't even a fair argument.

;)

[tp500]

I can't believe this is still going on. Why can't you just leave the fact that some people like to play Xbox 360 and some like to play PC. Nope! Can't have that everyone must have a PC cause EVERYONE is a hardcore gamer.And you've proved how stupid xbox kiddies are.
Cause it's fair to judge a 17 year old's character because they play Xbox. Go fuck yourself. Wrong, all xbox live are kids, every time you join a game it's all little fucking tykes who haven't reached fucking puberty.
Again what the hell. Are you sure you were playing Xbox?? I have a friends list of 40 people and I none are little 12 year olds. I get the occasional one, which I just boot out. If you dont like xbox stop posting how shitty you think it is. I hope someone just fuckin locks this whole post.

[Big_Bubbaloola]

Good lord! Someone douse this thread with hose real quick!

I think that cross platform (that is the thread by the way folks) is doomed to failure unless they release an RTS or MMORPG (3rd person perspective) game that doesn't require lightning quick reflexes (a la FPS). And yes I know you consolers can be quick on a joy pad, but it still remains that a keyboard and mouse get faster reaction times. Maybe the Wii is a different kettle of fish though.

Hell, even a platform cross platform game could work. Just not a FPS.