Single mother fined $220k for sharing music [Archive]

DJTricky

10-05-2007, 03:16 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071005/ennew_afp/ent ertainmentusinternetmusicjustice_071005194332 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071005/ennew_afp/entertainmentusinternetmusicjustice_071005194332)

Wow, this is a load of crap. They are charging her about 9.25k a song for 24 songs. I mean, charging $100 a song, 2.4k would be enough right? But nooo, they have to squeeze every living penny out of anyone, rich or poor.

lilsamuraijoe

10-05-2007, 03:27 PM

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Teh Swat

10-05-2007, 04:45 PM

It's sad. Really is. They ruined her life, her kids lives forever.

FUCK THE RIAA

KashMunni

10-05-2007, 04:52 PM

That blows..

D_Smid4499

10-05-2007, 05:02 PM

It's cuz of americans and the fbi, u cant get fined anywhere else right now, unless you are making a profit, that's a matter of the law, and you could get prison time.

Teh Swat

10-05-2007, 05:38 PM

It's cuz of americans and the fbi, u cant get fined anywhere else right now, unless you are making a profit, that's a matter of the law, and you could get prison time.

D_Smid, I request you no longer post before you bring citations of your sources. This is NOT THE FBI, this is CIVIL court.

My god. First Halo 2 was originally for Pc, then this.

D_Smid4499

10-05-2007, 06:57 PM

D_Smid, I request you no longer post before you bring citations of your sources. This is NOT THE FBI, this is CIVIL court.
FBI are the only ones running antipiracy right now, they are the ones who hunt down violators then fine them in civil court, fucking wikipedia it, that's the only reason why it's legal to share illegal download here in Canada, as soon as you sell pirated products police can arrest you, this is a major argument as Canada is trying to set up something similar to FBI in Canada to stop piracy. Police cannot track IP's, and hunt down piraters, they WOULD NEED A WARRANT WHICH TAKES MONTHS IN COURT TO RECEIVE, FBI can do whatever they want to track criminals, cops can't, sorry your wrong, if your to lazy to google it then pop a fucking dvd in and see the first thing that pops up on the screen, read it.

caboos

10-05-2007, 07:35 PM

not saying i download music...but that is lode of shit and this is going way to far. im a musician and i would never every support something like this, especially to ruin peoples lives

Nemesis_vs_Leon

10-05-2007, 07:54 PM

This is sick and wrong... and not in a good way like Project Origin.

globalenjoi

10-05-2007, 07:57 PM

While pirating is against the law, this is taking it way too far. What they've pretty much done here is "You downloaded some songs, so we are going to take away the rest of your life, as well as have your kids taken from you." They think that is justice? No wonder everyone hates this greedy country...

And lol @ the record industry "losing money"... Aww, thats too bad.. What, was someone not able to afford smack this week? Boo fucking hoo.

frogopus

10-05-2007, 08:30 PM

Me being devils advocate (I was swearing about this article when I read it, it pisses me off too)

And lol @ the record industry "losing money"... Aww, thats too bad.. What, was someone not able to afford smack this week? Boo fucking hoo.
Of course the record company is losing money, smaller businesses are shutting down, and the fats getting trimmed (which means lay offs). The big heads may be still raking it in but it effects a lot of people.

I did notice later in the article it looks like only 24 songs were being cited. She had 1700+ songs downloaded. Thats nearly $2000 in stolen product.

D_Smid4499

10-05-2007, 09:09 PM

They dump the biggest shits on the people they catch because it's so hard for them. Don't pirate in the US, the FBI will get you, if you share, if you just download it's fine.

globalenjoi

10-05-2007, 09:29 PM

Perhaps they are losing money.. but I still think the fine is WAY out of proportion, as that article says. $9k per song? That's just ridiculous.

"And while Thomas insisted that she had never downloaded or uploaded music, her lawyer tried to convince jurors there was no way to prove who had uploaded songs on the Kazaa file sharing network."

"Had the record companies sued her for all 1,702 songs found in the online folder the fine could have run into the millions."

I don't think she had 1,702 songs, I think that means they found that many in a folder, but were unable to see who did the downloading or uploading... could be misreading it though.

Songs are like 1$ each online, right? I find it very hard to justify a $9,000 fine per song, especially if the person only downloaded it, and didn't share it. That's like... if I stole a Snickers, and got charged $9,000... it's just ridiculous.

Plankie

10-05-2007, 11:25 PM

Funny, how people who share 24 songs can get worse punishment than a rapist.

tp500

10-06-2007, 01:10 AM

This is a disgrace. If I were to actually go somewhere with my musical talent I wouldnt fucking give a damn who downloaded my music. Music shouldn't be about money, it should be about music. Did you guys know that my country(Canada) is blacklisted because we dont have laws saying we cant personally download music.

Plankie

10-06-2007, 01:38 AM

Amen to that.

DJTricky

10-06-2007, 02:21 AM

(Wow, 15 posts in one night...)
Anyway, yeah. And another thing.. How much do you really think actually GOES TO THE MUSICIANS? It's not the RIAA's right to do this. It is however the band's right to sue (But this is way too far.

And haven't the RIAA ever heard of limewire? They CAN'T stop piracy, but she wasn't selling the damn stuff for a profit so technically it isn't piracy.

Asura

10-06-2007, 02:30 AM

My god, damn your guys countrys goverment/FBI is bullshit.
if this is justice and law i can only think it as a land of evil.
Anyway, if i would win 3mil € in lottery i liked to help that poor single mother.

Teh Swat

10-06-2007, 04:45 AM

FBI are the only ones running antipiracy right now, they are the ones who hunt down violators then fine them in civil court, fucking wikipedia it, that's the only reason why it's legal to share illegal download here in Canada, as soon as you sell pirated products police can arrest you, this is a major argument as Canada is trying to set up something similar to FBI in Canada to stop piracy. Police cannot track IP's, and hunt down piraters, they WOULD NEED A WARRANT WHICH TAKES MONTHS IN COURT TO RECEIVE, FBI can do whatever they want to track criminals, cops can't, sorry your wrong, if your to lazy to google it then pop a fucking dvd in and see the first thing that pops up on the screen, read it.

DvDs differ from music, music is DRM. And this case there was no warrent, it was all done electronically. Not only is the FBI not mentioned AT ALL, it was SafeNet who caught them and sold them out to the RIAA. Try reading the article for once.

D_Smid4499

10-06-2007, 05:17 AM

it was SafeNet who caught them and sold them out to the RIAA.
DRM is RUN by the fucking FBI because no other Police Task Force deals with these problems, they don't have the rights to track IP's based off leads only the FBI can, this is on of the main reason's why in Europe, Canada, etc. Piracy will never stop for awhile until the US is sorted out and move on to tackle the rest.

*DRM is owned by the music companies, but the FBI is in charge of the anti-piracy since they're the only ones with the rights.

dontleave

10-06-2007, 05:30 AM

squerl

10-06-2007, 05:31 AM

Do you even know what DRM is? It's not "run by the FBI" at all or "owned by the music companies", it's just a broad term for technology that prevents people from doing shit with media. Things like preventing you from playing the file in a different media player, or allowing them to expire its use when you don't pay up.

D_Smid4499

10-06-2007, 05:38 AM

It's a project to make it difficult and pointless for people to pirate music, it IS owned by the music companies, and legally protected by the FBI. There is different types of DRM, DRM for music by the music companies, DRM for movies run by the movie companies, the FBI helps stop the piracy, the only ones helping.

squerl

10-06-2007, 05:52 AM

It's not legally protected by the FBI, that's what copyright laws do. FBI enforces those laws. You could argue either way with music companies owning DRM, but to me that's thinking of it more as an object, where it's really a broad term for technology used by the publishers.

Either way, this is legally bad for piraters, since it shows people can actually lose their argument, but it is getting a lot of press (hopefully some in mainstream) which is good. It's horrible PR for the MPAA/RIAA when they're suing single mothers/dead people/people without computers.

D_Smid4499

10-06-2007, 06:09 AM

frogopus

10-06-2007, 10:22 AM

I was under the impression that DRM was a blanket term used for tools that a publisher may use to protect its stuff. One company will have different DRM than another. You make it sound like DRM is some big group of FBI agents that are hunting down people who pirate. Maybe you have things understood in your head, but you certainly seem to be failing at expressing it properly.

caboos

10-06-2007, 04:00 PM

While pirating is against the law, this is taking it way too far. What they've pretty much done here is "You downloaded some songs, so we are going to take away the rest of your life, as well as have your kids taken from you." They think that is justice? No wonder everyone hates this greedy country...
true as hell

And lol @ the record industry "losing money"... Aww, thats too bad.. What, was someone not able to afford smack this week? Boo fucking hoo.
lots of money comes from cd sales, its not as simple as it sounds, also just because someone is a musician doesn't mean there a drugy

globalenjoi

10-06-2007, 09:29 PM

lots of money comes from cd sales, its not as simple as it sounds, also just because someone is a musician doesn't mean there a drugy

This is very true. I just dislike the idea of bands that DO use their money on drugs causing things like this to happen.

gorgoth

10-07-2007, 11:35 AM

I love America. :)

Tarron

10-07-2007, 01:21 PM

Of course the record company is losing money, smaller businesses are shutting down, and the fats getting trimmed (which means lay offs). The big heads may be still raking it in but it effects a lot of people.

I did notice later in the article it looks like only 24 songs were being cited. She had 1700+ songs downloaded. Thats nearly $2000 in stolen product.

they aren't suing her for downloaded songs, just the one's she shared... if your going to be dodgey, don't share, and use peer guardian to protect yourself.

caboos

10-07-2007, 02:41 PM

they aren't suing her for downloaded songs, just the one's she shared... if your going to be dodgey, don't share, and use peer guardian to protect yourself.well thats even more excusable, it just seems silly, i hate the riaa. almost as evil as Walmart....well not really still bad though

DJTricky

10-07-2007, 03:56 PM

This is why I like Canada...

1. Downloading musical works for personal use is legal.

2. Downloading musical works for non-personal use is illegal by the Copyright Act, though not specifically ruled on.

3. Downloading non-musical copyrighted works for personal or non-personal use is illegal by the Copyright Act, though not specifically ruled on.

4. Uploading any (musical or not) copyrighted works by passively making available for copying is legal.

5. Uploading any (musical or not) copyrighted works by making a positive act to send or advertise the work is illegal.

You don't get any of this crap in Canada.

Armored_Zombie_Cow

10-08-2007, 06:05 AM

That's like... if I stole a Snickers, and got charged $9,000... it's just ridiculous.
wow in that perspective, it makes this look extremely bad, and retarded, and out of hand, and it makes me want to rape those bitches...no1 would ever charge u that much for a stolen candy bar...just make her pay the money back: $1 per song, or like $5 even wouldnt be totally bad...but not the thousands...

Blue Domino

10-08-2007, 06:07 AM

There making an example is what there doing. They are fining her to show that anyone could be fined, and how severe the penaltys will be. Shes just a scapegoat being used to warn everyone else not to share music. This is complete and utter bs, they could have picked somebody a little more deserving and I think there are ALOT of people who have shared more than 24 songs... alot more than 24 songs.

Teknobry

10-08-2007, 08:04 AM

Its all b0ll0cks, she won't pay anywhere near that amount. You can't get money out of someone who hasn't the means to pay it.

globalenjoi

10-08-2007, 01:55 PM

Its all b0ll0cks, she won't pay anywhere near that amount. You can't get money out of someone who hasn't the means to pay it.

Yep. Chances are, she's going to prison.

Big_Bubbaloola

10-08-2007, 11:19 PM

Quoting: Teknobry
Its all b0ll0cks, she won't pay anywhere near that amount. You can't get money out of someone who hasn't the means to pay it.

Yep. Chances are, she's going to prison.

I doubt that as I think this is a civil case not criminal (please correct me if i'm wrong). She wouldn't be able to pay ANYWHERE near that amount, and I very much doubt they'll pursue her too hard for it either. She's just being used as an example. They've already bollocked the firms that allow file sharing (fines etc) but this is the only case that has gotten high profile attention. It's 'Da Man' saying that you could be a company or a single mother, doesn't matter coz we'll still get you.

If the US legislative body had real cojones, they'd go after China who account for something like 80% of all pirated material. But they won't coz of all that lovely business deal money they're getting from the Land of the Tiger. It's all politics!