Left 4 Dead 2 - What We Know/Fact Sheet Thread

[Left 4 Savage]

I am new to the forums :) I love L4D and I cannot wait for L4D2 so I decided to make a post where we know what's new in Left 4 Dead 2. I know there is a Information Thread already but this one is more detailed and goes right into the fact sheet. Here we go :)

Left 4 Dead 2 - Fact Sheet

The Infected Facts

1 - There 3 New Special Infected


The Charger, specifically designed for speaking up camping survivors. Knocks down survivors and then picks up the last one and begins smashing him into the ground which only another survivor can free him from. The Charger is much tougher than the other Special Infected (besides the Witch and Tank) but is especially weak from behind.




The Spitter, designed to spit at survivors with acid and poison over-time attack. Spitters are able to spit their acid very far away.




The Jokey, a crazy maniac type infected that runs fast and is able to hop on the survivor's back and control them and lead them into danger such as into a big mob of zombies or far away from his/her allies and other danger.


2- Uncommon Common Infected are special non-playable common infected. For example in the Campaign Parish the some of the common infected wear hazmat suits and can't be put on fire (Hazmat Infected) are only exclusive to the Parish campaign that we saw. However, it is said that other campaigns have each of their own uncommon common infected that have other special abilities.

3 - Tank, Hunter, Boomer, Smoker still exist and they now have a new skin texture.

4 - More gore this time around for the infected. You can now literally tear them apart limb by limb, more blood and gore shown. For example you can even see torn backs/heads with wounds. Common infected are a bit tougher and can now survive dismemberment to a degree.

The Campaigns Facts

1 - Five New Campaigns (Three are already known as The Parish, Swamp Fever, Dark Carnival )



The Parish Campaign is a pure broad daylight campaign in the city
Swamp Fever Campaign is a scary, dirty open-ended swamp
Dark Carnival Campaign takes place in an amusement park
Dead Center Campaign takes place in a shopping mall
Hard Raid Campaign takes place in a factory


3 - All Campaigns will be ready for Versus, 4 Player Co-op, Survival and the new multiplayer game-mode called Scavenger right out of the box as you purchase it on the launch day.

4 - Custom maps will be portable to Left 4 Dead 2

5 - All 5 campaigns will be connected by a single overarching story, unlike L4D1. The first campaign will be set in Savannah, Georgia before the infection fully sets in, the survivors will make their way through a swamp at some point and the final campaign (The Parish) takes place in New Orleans.

6 - Maps will be massive with different routes available. Sometimes they will be open and other times they will be closed off.

The Survivors Facts

1 - Four New Survivors


Coach, a high-school football coach.
Rochelle, a cable television reporter from Cleveland.
Ellis, a fun-loving southern mechanic.
Nick, a con-man and gambler who is initially unsure of the other survivors.



Gameplay Modes Changes/Additions Facts

1- Witches wander around the infected crowd during the day and sit and cry during the night.

2- New multiplayer gameplay mode that we do not know of yet.

3 - The AI Director is now smarter/harder and can change the layout of the map depending on how good or bad your doing. If you're doing good then a specific part of the map can end up being a maze with a dead end and only one way out or if your doing bad it can be as easy as going through a straight line.


Weather events dictated by the AI Director, particularly in swamps. These will suddenly reduce visibility so you will be unable to see other survivor's outlines.

4 - Single Player, Survival, Versus modes will ship with the game (+ the "new" multiplayer gameplay mode).

5 - According to the videos some of the Left 4 Dead 2 achievements seem to be same as the original Left 4 Dead achievements.


6- A new type of crescendo events refered to as "gauntlets" which require the survivors to move to a new area to turn off the crescendo so they cannot simply hide in a corner and wait it out.


A crescendo was mentioned where you must make your way through a parking lot full of cars with alarms and must avoid setting them off.

7 - Car alarms will not last a set time. If one goes off you need to vacate the area or the infected will keep on coming.

The Weapons Facts

1 - Incendiary ammunition, a special ammunition type that, when picked up, gives you one full magazine of bullets that set whatever it hits on fire before reverting to normal ammunition.

2 - New Weapons - total 20 new items/weapons


New Pistol = Sig Sauer which can be dual-wielded with a Glock. It is unknown if there are any functional difference.
New Pump-Shotgun = A Mossberg 500 Marine. Unknown if there is any functional difference.
New Submachine Gun = A supressed MAC-10. The supressor is merely aesthetic, it is also possibly more accurate than L4D1's SMG but this is unconfirmed.
New Autoshotgun = SPAS-12. Unknown if there is any functional difference.
New Assault Rifle = FN SCAR. Unknown if there is any functional difference.
New Hunting Rifle = Scoped H&K G3 (possibly). The hunting rifle now has 30 round magazines rather than 15.
A powerful revolver - details unknown but it will be powerful.
A "bolt action carbine". Details unknown, probably Tier 1 Hunting Rifle.


3 - Melee Weapons introduced such as


1 - Axe
2 - Baseball Bat (Pre-order ONLY through retailers)
3 - Katana
4 - Crowbar
5 - Chainsaw
6 - Frying Pan




The Axe can cr0wn the witch.



Melee weapons can be picked up in a similar fashion to gas cans from L4D1, if you switch to a gun or press E, you drop the melee weapon.
Melee weapons have two attacks, a main attack and a push attack like all weapons and items in L4D.




Explosive Ammo Confirmed




Laser Sight Upgrade Confirmed



Defibrillator Confirmed (Brings back dead enemies, you can either have a med pack or a defibrillator, one or the other.




Boomer Bile (new grenade type item/weapon) attracts horde on a area that's covered with bile. You can throw the bile on the tank and have common infected attack it.


4 - Regardless of the new Incendiary Ammo, Molotov's and Pipe bombs still exist in Left 4 Dead 2

5 - Old weapons may still make an appearance (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/09/may/l427big.jpg).

Miscellaneous Facts

1 - November 17th 2009 Release (Xbox 360/PC)

2 - The game will be "full price" at $49.99

Demo Facts/Details

1 - Pre-Order now at GameStop and get $5 off the original $49.99 Price and + get access to a downloadable demo October 27th just in time for Halloween

2 - Pre-Ordering on Steam also gets you Demo Access early

3 - The Demo contains the first two levels of the Parish Campaign with a full versus mode, so enjoy it!


Rumor/Maybe Section

1 - The original survivors (Bill, Zoey, Francis, and Louis) might be playable/useable in Left 4 Dead 2

2 - The Original Left 4 Dead Campaigns may appear in Left 4 Dead 2

3 - New grenades might appear in Left 4 Dead 2 (Confirmed, Boomer Bile)

4 - Survivors may be able to double up while reviving another downed survivor. (Valve has said that they're experimenting with gameplay mechanics and used this as an example.) (Confirmed, Defibrillator can be used to revive a dead survivor)

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If I missed anything or if you find something else I should add please send me a PM or just post it here thanks!

[Bloodshed269]

inb4block

http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12219

Has pretty much all the info (as you said there was an info one before) and it has EVERYTHING straight from the develepors mouths

Don't you mean inb4lock, not block? Also, inb4lock.

[SlainPwner666]

Hey guys, we can have a dedicated L4D2 facts thread!

Just make sure you update it CONSTANTLY.

[Left 4 Savage]

Hey guys, we can have a dedicated L4D2 facts thread!

Just make sure you update it CONSTANTLY.

I appreciate for support and the understand on how different this thread is and yes I will be updating it on daily basis

[Zombie Hunter]

yeah i agree with slain and L4Savage, it would be nice to see a list off all the facts/ideas about L4D2, saves you having to look through endless threads for things that have been repeated over and over

EDIT: you can add that each campign has at least 1 uncommon common infected like the hazmat zombies you mentioned

[BlackCat]

There are some facts listed in Dead Fish's stickied thread, but this list is a bit more complete as more info has come to light since the sticky was last edited I guess.

[Left 4 Savage]

yeah i agree with slain and L4Savage, it would be nice to see a list off all the facts/ideas about L4D2, saves you having to look through endless threads for things that have been repeated over and over

EDIT: you can add that each campign has at least 1 uncommon common infected like the hazmat zombies you mentioned

fixed - thanks!

[Frito]

Rochelle is the chick's name, btw.

[Left 4 Savage]

Rochelle is the chick's name, btw.

fixed - thanks + edited the thread with a bit more detailed facts.

[Zombie Hunter]

just remembered, all the campigns will be ready for versus, co-op, survival and the other mode as soon as its realesed

[Left 4 Savage]

just remembered, all the campigns will be ready for versus, co-op, survival and the other mode as soon as its realesed

fixed - thanks!

[Padfoot240]

It might be nice to have links to new information as you update it. So everyone can read the source. I don't think it's necessary for all this info, it's pretty standard.

BTW: First I've heard that the special infected from L4D will be modified, what is that about?

[Left 4 Savage]

It might be nice to have links to new information as you update it. So everyone can read the source. I don't think it's necessary for all this info, it's pretty standard.

BTW: First I've heard that the special infected from L4D will be modified, what is that about?

I am not sure exactly how they are modified but when I watched a video one of the guy's said that they're changed abit, possibly maybe as far as stats go and I think I saw a tank and he was a bit skinner but I am not sure exactly how

If I am wrong however, I will remove the fact if it is false.

[Dead Fish]

There are some facts listed in Dead Fish's stickied thread, but this list is a bit more complete as more info has come to light since the sticky was last edited I guess.

It hasn't been edited, because I have not been able to visit the forums during the last three days. The sticky is just a collection of videos and articles coming out of E3 and future events.

A comprehensive list of all the new features would be nice! :)

[Nuttz]

Add something about it having the same achievements as L4D1, you'll see them in a few videos. Also, it would be nice to have a rumour/speculation sectio where you could put stuff like the original L4D maps may be included. Oh, and don't forget to add that all custom maps are portable.

[Left 4 Savage]

Add something about it having the same achievements as L4D1, you'll see them in a few videos. Also, it would be nice to have a rumour/speculation sectio where you could put stuff like the original L4D maps may be included. Oh, and don't forget to add that all custom maps are portable.

added - thanks for the great idea/suggestion :)

Anything else I am missing ? Any Rumors/Facts? btw can you link me to the video that shows same achievements?

[BlackCat]

It hasn't been edited, because I have not been able to visit the forums during the last three days. The sticky is just a collection of videos and articles coming out of E3 and future events.

A comprehensive list of all the new features would be nice! :)

Cool, so this works then. :)

And.. no more sifting through threads looking for infos! :D

[Zombie Hunter]

i heard a rumor that there might be new nades, but its only a rumor

[ThoughtThinking]

my friend told me that some of the old weapons might be added im not sure if this is right
but this can go in the rumors section i guess
btw welcome to the fourms!

[Left 4 Savage]

i heard a rumor that there might be new nades, but its only a rumor

do you have any source that suggests such rumors? Just wanted to see if I have missed anything lol

[Zombie Hunter]

i read it on the steam forums, nothing offical about it

[Left 4 Savage]

I edited the thread and made it more organized so the facts are not to spread around and each part has its own section now :)

[BlackCat]

I edited the thread and made it more organized so the facts are not to spread around and each part has its own section now :)

Thx, a lot more organized now, I like :)

[Steve Cloud]

Just some stuff I'm adding:

Here's a "rumour" (A valve employee, probably Chet, said they were experimenting with things and used this as an example):

"Survivors may be able to double up when reviving a downed survivor."


EDIT: The new weapons also have slight tweaks, for example, the new sniper rifle has 30 round magazines instead of the 15 round magazines the hunting rifle had.

The common infected are going to be a little tougher (can survive some dismemberment).

And there's also weather effects.

[Kentucket]

You haven't mentioned that some of the crescendo's have been reworked. Such as breaching a CEDA area, and rushing to turn off the alarm while being barraged by the infected, or the parking lot full of cars with car alarms.

[Steve Cloud]

I added everything I said I would, plus the stuff in dot points. Also I added what Kentucket said.

EDIT: I also added the bit about the campaigns having an overarching story.

[Frito]

Some stuff is repeated, but it's a very good list.

I don't think the new grenades thing is a rumor, though, unless Valve said "maybe" in the interview.

[Steve Cloud]

Can you tell me whats repeated so I can edit it?

[Dead Fish]

Good work, guys. Lets sticky this!

[Frito]

Charger is mentioned twice in infected facts.

Points 5 and 6 in infected facts are kind of one and the same, what with dismemberment and all.

Other than that, the weather effects bullet could fit in with the smarter AI Director bullet.

Not too much, as you can see. The list is very well put together. Thanks, Steve.

[Steve Cloud]

Fixed it. Thanks for the help. :)

Also yeah, let's sticky it.

[Nuttz]

DIdn't know about picking up the melee weapons like a gas can, that seems much better than just permanently carrying it with you. Although I'm not too sure about the axe cr0wning the witch...

[Left 4 Savage]

Fixed it. Thanks for the help. :)

Also yeah, let's sticky it.

Omg awesome lol thanks :) I'll add as soon as I find more..

[Steve Cloud]

DIdn't know about picking up the melee weapons like a gas can, that seems much better than just permanently carrying it with you. Although I'm not too sure about the axe cr0wning the witch...

Not sure as in you don't think its a good idea or not sure as in you're not sure if thats actually in-game?

If it's the latter, it's been said multiple times that you can cr0wn the witch with the axe but its rather difficult.

[Zombie Slayer]

isnt this just exactly like the information thread?

[Dead Fish]

isnt this just exactly like the information thread?

You should take a look at them. One is only links and the other is only text.

[Stuffinator]

Is it confirmed that the witch always walks arround in daylight-maps? Because in one of IGN's gameplay-video you see the witch sitting and crying arround in parish-campaign!

[Elunah]

Is it confirmed that the witch always walks arround in daylight-maps? Because in one of IGN's gameplay-video you see the witch sitting and crying arround in parish-campaign!
She definitely wanders. Look at this:

http://www.zombicidal.com/wp-content/uploads/pre-l4d2/SI_witch_wander1.jpg

[TheDudeIsSteve]

I am not sure exactly how they[special infected] are modified... stats go and I think I saw a tank and he was a bit skinner but I am not sure exactly how...

First off, sorry this is a LOOOONG post. Can't help it.


Well from the many videos on YT(youtube) on the E3 demo, it seems certain that the Special infected have been given new sound pack (e.g. the Hunter sounds more crazed, and Boomer is deeper sounding ect...) and it may have been just me, but in one of the videos, when a player shot a Hunter, its seems to put out a blackish mist like the smoker, so you could see where he(she?) jumped. That what ive noticed. If I can find the video(s) i will post.

I do have quite a few speculations on what the "new" game mode is, and one of those (I hope) is single player, where you can either escape hunters or smokers or whatever, or replace with tougher Common/Uncommon. in the latter i would assume they'd keep the witch, boomer, tank, and any other Specials that cant trap you....maybe even add in a "time" element with leaderboards(i.e. compete for faster times in completeing campaigns.)

[Left 4 Savage]

First off, sorry this is a LOOOONG post. Can't help it.


Well from the many videos on YT(youtube) on the E3 demo, it seems certain that the Special infected have been given new sound pack (e.g. the Hunter sounds more crazed, and Boomer is deeper sounding ect...) and it may have been just me, but in one of the videos, when a player shot a Hunter, its seems to put out a blackish mist like the smoker, so you could see where he(she?) jumped. That what ive noticed. If I can find the video(s) i will post.

I do have quite a few speculations on what the "new" game mode is, and one of those (I hope) is single player, where you can either escape hunters or smokers or whatever, or replace with tougher Common/Uncommon. in the latter i would assume they'd keep the witch, boomer, tank, and any other Specials that cant trap you....maybe even add in a "time" element with leaderboards(i.e. compete for faster times in completeing campaigns.)

They specifically stated that the new gameplay mode is a "New Multiplayer Mode" if you read the articles carefully. So I do NOT think there will be a new single-player mode.

[smoresforbrawl]

in this video

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=left+4+dead+2+gameplay+3&aq=0

Around the end you can hear one of the characters make a reference to G.O.B. from Arrested Development.

"Yeah, you're gonna shoot at the guy in the $6000 suit! COME ON!"

[mrbellcaptain]

splitscreen is still on the xbox 360 version, for those who want to know

[Zombie Slayer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUe1QtbEXqM

The tank sounds exactly like the heavy in TF2

[Stuffinator]

She definitely wanders. Look at this:

http://www.zombicidal.com/wp-content/uploads/pre-l4d2/SI_witch_wander1.jpg
Don't get me wrong, I just wanted to know if she always wanders arround in daylight maps or if she f.e. can take a break and sit down somewhere!

[Kentucket]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUe1QtbEXqM

The tank sounds exactly like the heavy in TF2

Man that guy was horrible ... But that vid does show that the Charger is very tough, and that all the Special Infected have new "voices".

[Grieverlionhart]

Someone just say yes or no here then back to topic. Has Squerl and Frogopus gone awol?

[Zombie Hunter]

no

10char

[SickDaza]

Someone just say yes or no here then back to topic. Has Squerl and Frogopus gone awol?

I saw Frog yesterday I think.

[Steve Cloud]

Someone just say yes or no here then back to topic. Has Squerl and Frogopus gone awol?

There are threads on this subject but here's the short, confirmed answer:

Squerl may as well be dead.
Frogopus is barely active.

I rule this forum.

Back on topic.

[ThoughtThinking]

There are threads on this subject but here's the short, confirmed answer:

Squerl may as well be dead.
Frogopus is barely active.

I rule this forum.

Back on topic.

I am your humble servent!
lol

OT:ive searched the steam fourms for around 2 days and found NOTHING new :mad:

[CrackYoFace]

I'd love to see cameos of the original survivors. I think as you are running through (whatever level it may be) you run across a radio or something and you hear one of the original characters giving a radio broadcast or something saying there not alone and more survivors are out there or you see like a photo or something of the original survivors. Just something to tie the story of the second game with the first game.....i think it would be interesting =)

[Zombie Slayer]

Man that guy was horrible ... But that vid does show that the Charger is very tough, and that all the Special Infected have new "voices".Yeah i was facepalming the whole time

[awdrgy123]

we also know that the hunter now sounds like a pig... maybe this is all the genetic mutation of swine flu gone bad?

[SRXSniper58]

wut axe can crown teh witch!?!?!?!?
I call bs right there!

[Greatknife]

I had a thought the other day where I was daydreaming I was playing Left4Dead 2 and that when you get to the finale and call on the radio, depending on what campaign it would be, one of the 4 original survivors would answer.
Can you imagine? Francis riding up on a pickup truck shouting "Let's go ladies"
Just a thought, it made me lol XD

[ThoughtThinking]

wut axe can crown teh witch!
I call bs right there!

lol
chet said that like 4 times lol

[Elunah]

Don't get me wrong, I just wanted to know if she always wanders arround in daylight maps or if she f.e. can take a break and sit down somewhere!
No, she's been seen sitting in daylight, as well. This is either because she sits after a certain time or because she's in the shade. No way to tell right now.

http://www.zombicidal.com/img/pre-l4d2/SI_witch_sitting.jpg

[HolyEvilz]

i heard a rumor that there might be new nades, but its only a rumor
Possibly, a nade that creates black holes? :D

[ThoughtThinking]

No, she's been seen sitting in daylight, as well. This is either because she sits after a certain time or because she's in the shade. No way to tell right now.

http://www.zombicidal.com/img/pre-l4d2/SI_witch_sitting.jpg

i think its because she got tired and wanted to take a break!
:p

[Greatknife]

i think its because she got tired and wanted to take a break!
:p

I expect tearing survivors to shreds is a tiring job!

[Stuffinator]

No, she's been seen sitting in daylight, as well.
Yeah I know ^^ I told you that, thats why I was asking if it is confirmed that she walks arround all the time! I just wondered if the video with her sitting arround might just be some beta or alpha footage and the wandering wasn't implemented!

But whatever, we'll see!

[left 4 food!]

i can (like evrybody here) not wait for L4D2,
i hope that the new weapons have new things,like grenades that gonna stuck in the infected,and the new Charger is the coolest infected ever!

[OhComeOnNate]

i can (like evrybody here) not wait for L4D2

Not everyone is excited. -__-;;

[Zombie Hunter]

all this hype for the charger, but i will still always be in love with the hunter for his impact dmg ^^
happys days for 25 dmg pounces

[BlackCat]

all this hype for the charger, but i will still always be in love with the hunter for his impact dmg ^^
happys days for 25 dmg pounces

Me too...well... when I can actually land a 25! :p

[Infest0125]

With the incedienary ammo, it all comes in a single clip and after that you're back to normal ammo.

Just thought you'd like to add that.

[Steve Cloud]

Added.

[Nafolah159]

Maybe add that All Melee Weapons can kill all special infected in one hit except maybe the tank

[linkmelee1993]

hey guys... I'm not dead... :)

Just a quick question (for some reason I can't see the first two pages):

Are there still (I've seen in vid and heard from a friend) there is a walking witch, it's a continuous story from beginning to end in New Orleans and Louisiana, there's additions of melee weapons like chainsaws, a new spec infected like tank (Charger???), and looks awesome... Plus people don't wanna buy it...

My next question: Why would people want updates for L4D? Wouldn't a single update with one campaign be about $20 (US) ??? They have to make money, of course...

And Steve, why the heck would the forums not let me log in since the release of the Survival Pack???? I missed this place... :)

[Frito]

hey guys... I'm not dead... :)

Just a quick question (for some reason I can't see the first two pages):

Are there still (I've seen in vid and heard from a friend) there is a walking witch, it's a continuous story from beginning to end in New Orleans and Louisiana, there's additions of melee weapons like chainsaws, a new spec infected like tank (Charger???), and looks awesome... Plus people don't wanna buy it...

My next question: Why would people want updates for L4D? Wouldn't a single update with one campaign be about $20 (US) ??? They have to make money, of course...

And Steve, why the heck would the forums not let me log in since the release of the Survival Pack???? I missed this place... :) Yes to witch, continuous storyline, melee, and charger (plus two more new ones), and some people are PISSED OFF.

Updates are free, which is why we want them. Not twenty dollars. Twenty dollars is what L4D2's price should be around IMO... maybe thirty. The price is confirmed at $50, btw.

The new forums kind of glitched out passwords. You should've hit that you were missing your pass and had it sent to your email.

[linkmelee1993]

wow... thanks there, man.

I expected that to come from Fish or Steve... :D

But to make money properly, Valve would have to give a cost to an added campaign to the game, right? Everyone else does it... Valve is waaaaay better, but they need money to run, unfortunately...

And two MORE new infected??? Do we knkw what they are???

[Frito]

wow... thanks there, man.

I expected that to come from Fish or Steve... :D

But to make money properly, Valve would have to give a cost to an added campaign to the game, right? Everyone else does it... Valve is waaaaay better, but they need money to run, unfortunately...

And two MORE new infected??? Do we knkw what they are??? Well, the way Valve does its updates, they're free. Take a look at TF2 class updates and The Survival Pack for reference.

The two other new special infected are unannounced so far.

HOWEVER, each campaign will have a special COMMON infected, like in The Parish, the last of the 5 campaigns, there are infected in hazmat suits invulnerable to catching fire by incendiary ammo or molotovs, etc.

[linkmelee1993]

hm... I'm impressed. When I first saw that video, I had to watch it three or four times to take it in... Then almost spontaneously combusted... hahaha...

Yeah I know the updates are free, but they haven't really done a HUGE update to a game to make it cost that much... Look at Half Life 2- Episodes 1 and 2... Nearly the same thing.

But they probably won't add anything else because of the release of L4D2... I'm excited, to be honest with you guys... :)

One last question before I tuck in for the night: The video released, the trailer... Are those the intro vid graphics, or actually the in game graphics??? Either way, I am incredibly impressed.

[Frito]

hm... I'm impressed. When I first saw that video, I had to watch it three or four times to take it in... Then almost spontaneously combusted... hahaha...

Yeah I know the updates are free, but they haven't really done a HUGE update to a game to make it cost that much... Look at Half Life 2- Episodes 1 and 2... Nearly the same thing.

But they probably won't add anything else because of the release of L4D2... I'm excited, to be honest with you guys... :)

One last question before I tuck in for the night: The video released, the trailer... Are those the intro vid graphics, or actually the in game graphics??? Either way, I am incredibly impressed.

They're polished cinematical graphics. The real game is just a small improvement on the original.

[linkmelee1993]

Mmmm darn. I was hopeful.

Thanks for the info! Can't wait!

Oh, and wouldn't it be awesome with the new AI to have the weather change to a tornado (or hurricane, in Louisiana's case...) while you come across a tank... lol

G'nite

[Easton Dark]

Oh, and wouldn't it be awesome with the new AI to have the weather change to a tornado (or hurricane, in Louisiana's case...) while you come across a tank... lol


Or have some different tank music, not particularly southern, but I'd like to be able to have some variety in my ingame musical ques.

I would personally shit myself if I could put in my theme song for the tank music (sig) for everyone to hear.

[demonfool]

Much like the zombies on which it is centered, Left 4 Dead will continue to shamble on even after its premature death. Valve's Gabe Newell told Kotaku that, despite the upcoming release of Left 4 Dead 2, support will continue for the original, including "tools for Mod makers, community matchmaking, 4x4 matchmaking, and more new content during the coming months." Newell continued: "We also agree with our customers that there needs to be an interoperability plan for players of L4D1 and L4D2, as multiplayer games are driven by the cohesiveness of their community."



so this means that there will be more DLC for the first L4D if people were still wondering

heres the link if you want it http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/12/original-left-4-dead-wont-be/

[UKMD Elmo]

A few other things, confirmed in a playtest by the UK mag 'PC Gamer':

- Car alarms will not last a set time. If one goes off you need to vacate the area or the infected will keep on coming (similar to the crescendo's).

- A powerful handgun has been mentioned but no details as yet. It will be an optional replacement of the dual wielding variety

[Steve Cloud]

Added those things as well as:

Possibility of a bolt-action rifle.
Maps are confirmed to have multiple routes that will be open some playthroughs and closed on another.

[Zorgy]

Bolt action rifle? Possibly a tier 1 hunting rifle?

[zombicidalmaniac]

Added those things as well as:

Possibility of a bolt-action rifle.

<3 i love dem bolt actions

[Steve Cloud]

I'm guessing if it were in there it'd be the tier 1 hunting rifle.

I'm just going on what others have told me, can someone scan the pages from the magazine?

[ThoughtThinking]

<3 i love dem bolt actions


Bolt Action FTW!!
amirite?
:D

[UKMD Elmo]

I'm guessing if it were in there it'd be the tier 1 hunting rifle.

I'm just going on what others have told me, can someone scan the pages from the magazine?

'A bolt action carbine all but confirmed' are the exact words. I got the magazine but no scanner readily available I'm afraid. Considering they were given a full play test through it I would say it's definite.

[Jesus123]

'A bolt action carbine all but confirmed' are the exact words. I got the magazine but no scanner readily available I'm afraid. Considering they were given a full play test through it I would say it's definite.

I love you! Thanks for looking in your magazine. Us poor folks don't get the magazines ; _ ;

[ThoughtThinking]

I love you! Thanks for looking in your magazine. Us poor folks don't get the magazines ; _ ;


I know right!
Where the fuck are my magizines!
:mad:

[Steve Cloud]

Removed the bolt action from Rumours section and moved it to Weapons.

[zombicidalmaniac]

removed the bolt action from rumours to weapons.

nooooooooooooo! D":

[Steve Cloud]

Edited for clarification.

[ThoughtThinking]

Hey guys heads up i found this vid on steam fourms check it out and tell me if its good
(It wont let me watch the vid for some reason)
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/left4dead2_vdp_61209.html

[Nuttz]

Hey guys heads up i found this vid on steam fourms check it out and tell me if its good
(It wont let me watch the vid for some reason)
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/left4dead2_vdp_61209.html

Nothing special, just some guy talking about what we already know with videos we've already seen playing behind it.

[ThoughtThinking]

Nothing special, just some guy talking about what we already know with videos we've already seen playing behind it.


Oh ok well ima keep it there just in case someone wants to check out some gameplay :D


back to the steam fourms!

[SlainPwner666]

Add to rumors,

Melee weapon, Tomahawk axe.
Source: PC Gamer

[Ouroboros Omega]

I read on IGN or OXM that a crowbar will be a useable melee weapon, is this worth mentioning at all?
I cannot wait for this game!
>:3

[ThoughtThinking]

I read on IGN or OXM that a crowbar will be a useable melee weapon, is this worth mentioning at all?
I cannot wait for this game!
>:3


Damm it i hope your right!:D

[XxNikkiSe7enxX]

Incendiary ammunition....in versus...?
that would make it way to easy for people to start winning...
-LAME-

[SickDaza]

I don't know if this has been said but because there are several paths in maps, the AI director rewards teams that take the more difficult path, incendiary ammunition, pipebombs, pills etc.

[ThoughtThinking]

I don't know if this has been said but because there are several paths in maps, the AI director rewards teams that take the more difficult path, incendiary ammunition, pipebombs, pills etc.


Yes its already been said

[awdrgy123]

if they dont take out incendiary ammos out of vs, it will suck so bad for tank

[one of them]

Incendiary ammunition....in versus...?
that would make it way to easy for people to start winning...
-LAME-
Valve has a team of professional developers. You think they haven't thought of that? Stop making such rash accusations and just trust that they found a way to balance it.

[ThoughtThinking]

Valve has a team of professional developers. You think they haven't thought of that? Stop making such rash accusations and just trust that they found a way to balance it.


Yea im hoping that to
Hopefully they come out right!
:D

[XxNikkiSe7enxX]

heh, yes lets "trust" them... -_-' like we "trusted" them for "new DLC updated" .. ;)

[zombicidalmaniac]

its already been stated that they will continue on with updating L4D1.

[Frito]

Steam tells me that existing special infected may have varying mutations, affecting their skills.

And also, dismemberment while still living applies to special infected too?

More here, just scroll down. Source is PC Gamer.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884519&page=11

[OhComeOnNate]

Hey guys I've been on vacation for the past week and a half so yeah anything new? Rumors? Orange Box 2 perhaps?

[Frito]

Hey guys I've been on vacation for the past week and a half so yeah anything new? Rumors? Orange Box 2 perhaps?

Nothing noteworthy.

Left 4 Dead update with SDK soon, announced on blog, that's about it.

You better update me when I get back from my vacation while on vacation to Acapulco. :3

[TheeSpongeman]

The Assault Rifle supposedly has more accuracy


"Next is a new assault rifle, it has greater precision and tighter grip than any other rifle.

http://www.gamephoton.com/left_4_dead_2.htm

[Fernsy]

Question! People have said that they have seen what they think is the screamer on a L4D2 video. I Dont know which vid they mean and I haven’t seen him.

Has any one else seen him or know which vid they are taking about?

[Frito]

Question! People have said that they have seen what they think is the screamer on a L4D2 video. I Dont know which vid they mean and I haven’t seen him.

Has any one else seen him or know which vid they are taking about? There is no screamer.

He was scrapped out of the first game, and I really doubt he'll make an appearance in this one. His niche has been filled by the boomer.

[OhComeOnNate]

Ah kk thanks Frito. Oh and will do. When will you be gone?

[mrbellcaptain]

each campaign will have its own movie introducing it


(said at 3:05)

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14352241/left-4-dead-2/videos/e3live_Left4Dead2_pt2.html

[grabbin_peelz]

In the first post that has all of the facts the crecendos arent called gauntlets - there is a crecendo called gauntlet in which you must cross a bridge.

[Raydude4115]

Well...i think the boomer is cooler then the screamer...actually hes fat and cool :P also i heard that there will be new sounds and actions from special infected this time around :P

[Steve Cloud]

In the first post that has all of the facts the crecendos arent called gauntlets - there is a crecendo called gauntlet in which you must cross a bridge.

Unless you've got a link to where this is said we're just going to keep calling this new type of finale/crescendo where you are forced to move "gauntlets".

[Frito]

Ah kk thanks Frito. Oh and will do. When will you be gone?

Vacation got moved back, so I'll be out next Monday to Saturday.

I don't expect anything big to happen though. xD

[Fernsy]

Well...i think the boomer is cooler then the screamer...actually hes fat and cool :P also i heard that there will be new sounds and actions from special infected this time around :P

Well I think they could co-exist.

[grabbin_peelz]

Unless you've got a link to where this is said we're just going to keep calling this new type of finale/crescendo where you are forced to move "gauntlets".
Here is one of my beautiful sources. If you are just looking for the gauntlet iinfo then it is in the last 5 or so seconds of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14UqsmudD7I

EDIT: Oh, and this is said by Chet something or other. I think he works for valve

[Frito]

Well I think they could co-exist.

How can they coexist when they both do the same thing, rednering one of them null?

[grabbin_peelz]

How can they coexist when they both do the same thing, rednering one of them null?
Because they can mate and make a fat screamer or a screamer that screams while puking:D

[SRXSniper58]

1 - The original survivors (Bill, Zoey, Francis, and Louis) might be playable/useable in Left 4 Dead 2

2 - The Original Left 4 Dead Campaigns may appear in Left 4 Dead 2

THIS will make people not buy L4d1
not good :(

[Steve Cloud]

THIS will make people not buy L4d1
not good :(

That just means that if you own L4D1, you might be able to play L4D1 campaigns in L4D2.

[Zorgy]

So would the l4d1 campaigns have the new features and SI? Or would they just be lazily tacked on?

[Apex_]

From what I understand they've planned out reverse-compatibility between L4D2 and campaigns in/made for the first game. So custom campaigns now will be easily ported or work straightaway with the new game. That means generally the Valve made ones should be compatible too.

[yourbadmega]

So would the l4d1 campaigns have the new features and SI? Or would they just be lazily tacked on?

the l4d campaigns can be ported to l4d2 so you can play No Mercy on l4d2 which would be a completely different experience from l4d b/c of the new infected and AID.

[CAPTIAN DOUGHNUT]

put thier new campain is a swamp at nigth time

[grabbin_peelz]

I'm not sure about this but in this video the car alarm stopped so maybe the whole "car alarms dont stop until you leave the area" thing only applies to the area where there are all of those alarms. (The area where you come from the sewers into an impound lot full of car alarms)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywe_SyMDHhU&feature=related

[SRXSniper58]

I would like to ask a question
how much damage does the charger do one each difficulty?
(i saw it do a crapload of it on easy)

[Fernsy]

I would like to ask a question
how much damage does the charger do one each difficulty?
(i saw it do a crapload of it on easy)

Yeah I want to know that as well. Also, do we know if he makes any noise? Can he just do a normal swipe attack? Can he use his attack from high (i.e. start his charge from the top of a building and still hit some one below him).

Does any one know? Also read on IGN's new play through that he isn’t all that strong if you see him first and get the jump on him!

[Infest0125]

I'm going off two magazines I got at the airport and the articles of L4D in them. Each one was a good 5 or so pages and had a detailed run through.

Gameplay
-In the Swamp level, you have two choices. Going waist deep in water through a more direct route and being slowed, or going through the trees in an indirect route without having your character slowed. It is unknown currently if choices such as this will be available in all levels.
-On levels, you will be rewarded for searching, but there is a possibility that it not just through certain hallways and such. Valve said that in the Swamp level for example, you can look up in the trees for parachutes stuck, and get supplies from these.

Misc
-The survivors first meet up at a mall, none of them quite sure of what is going on.
-L4D2 orignally started out as a mod, but by the time Valve checked all the features to keep players from exploiting/being cheap, they realized all of it was far too much to just simply add on to L4D, leading them to the development of L4D2.

Weapons
-Frying pan is also supposedly able to cr0wn the witch.
-Right now, melee weapons kill specials in one hit if they're engaged with another player (I believe this excludes the charger, tank, and witch).

[BlackCat]

Also read on IGN's new play through that he isn’t all that strong if you see him first and get the jump on him!

This is why the infected team would have to work together, ie: Charger should probably wait for boomer, etc.

[TnT DORKMAN]

Include the cricket bat in the melee weapons.

[grabbin_peelz]

The cricket bat is still a rumor! If you must put it in here put it in the rumors section untill you hear it from Valve

[yourbadmega]

The cricket bat is still a rumor! If you must put it in here put it in the rumors section untill you hear it from Valve

wrong. it's here. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1001544p1.html

[grabbin_peelz]

Apparently it is painted on and it is done because of the Ashes -- the cricket tournament coming up. The helmet and shirt are also in different art styles from the game.

[SickDaza]

Apparently it is painted on and it is done because of the Ashes -- the cricket tournament coming up. The helmet and shirt are also in different art styles from the game.

That's pretty cool. And off topic, but to all you Englishman out there, well batted in that second innings :)

[left 4 food!]

you know there is a new campaing in the swamp it calls: Swamp fever you can play it in comic con. you must addit this! ;)

[yourbadmega]

you know there is a new campaing in the swamp it calls: Swamp fever you can play it in comic con. you must addit this! ;)

damn son, learn to spell.

[black671]

cricket eh....time to shaun of the dead it up....

[SRXSniper58]

Rumors of the two new special infected yet to be revealed
The Dagger-Shoots daggers from his chest(highly unlikely)
The Digger-Pops out from ground and grabs you(slighly possible)

[CAPTIAN DOUGHNUT]

Rumors of new special infected
The Dagger-Shoots daggers from his chest(highly unlikely)
The Digger-Pops out from ground and grabs you(slighly possible)

well i would like it 2 be the digger beacuse then you would have 2 keep and eye out in the ground

[Little_Kitty1234]

Rumors of new special infected
The Dagger-Shoots daggers from his chest(highly unlikely)
The Digger-Pops out from ground and grabs you(slighly possible)

Ummmmm...I kind of dont see how the digger would work either bc
1) i just dont see how he could dig into the ground relly well has an infected....
2) What about in a campaign when u take roofs, bridges, and other stuff off the ground how would he work then......T_T

[Deadly]

.
2) What about in a campaign when u take roofs, bridges, and other stuff off the ground how would he work then......T_T

How does the tank pick up a concrete slab from on top of a train cart? You just have to go with it.

[Little_Kitty1234]

How does the tank pick up a concrete slab from on top of a train cart? You just have to go with it.

Well, I guess that's true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^_^

[SRXSniper58]

i dont like dagger cuz how is he not dead if he has knives stuck in his chest
someone posted that these 2 would be featured in these forums

[Steve Cloud]

Hey guys, I haven't been updating the list because my internet is really slow and I can't be bothered checking out all the links and shit, but I get uncapped tomorrow, so I'll probably update it then.

[SickDaza]

Hey guys, I haven't been updating the list because my internet is really slow and I can't be bothered checking out all the links and shit, but I get uncapped tomorrow, so I'll probably update it then.

Isn't it a great feeling knowing that you are going to be uncapped the following day. Xbox is quite boring without live.

[darkmessiah]

New Zeal- I mean Austria- I mean Australians and their funky Socialistic bandwidth caps.

[pred10122]

hey guys just wanted to give some links to some good sites that are doing the same thing this thread is.
http://www.zombicidal.com/category/left-4-dead-2/
http://www.zombicidal.com/l4d2/

and some info but im not going to copy everything just the bit about the new campain

2: Swamp Fever [NEW! 7/9]

Note: A working demo of this campaign will be presented at Comic-Con 2009 (July 23-26)!

The second campaign will be a nighttime mission that takes place in a "muddy bayou" somewhere between Savannah and New Orleans. A train wreck forces the Survivors to travel through a bayou--a patchwork of marshes and small rivers.

Tactical alternatives abound here. The lush vegetation of the bayou makes Infected harder to spot, but Survivors can counteract this by choosing wide-open areas like the bog. However, walking through the knee-deep mud slows them to walking pace. Alternatively, they can take longer paths on rotting boardwalks, but sections of the wood can break, causing Survivors to fall into the mire. This suggests that the boardwalks are high enough that once Survivors fall off, they cannot climb back on from the muck. The weak sections can be avoided if Survivors pay attention.

Other visual cues can also help Survivors. OXM mentions that special rewards can be found by looking for landmarks. For instance, a dangling parachute in the distance could mean that supplies can be found there.

The AI Director will have a big role in this area. Many paths will be randomized (or at least procedurally controlled) instead of being predetermined. Also, the area will have dynamic weather conditions controlled by the AI Director. Chet has mentioned in a number of interviews that the AID can suddenly create heavy rain conditions, limiting visibility, similar to the cornfields of BH5. Survivors will not be able to see each others' outlines in the rain.

There is some ambiguity about how the area is laid out. The OXM feature indicates that there are wide-open, non-muddy areas in addition to the mire, while others indicate that the muddy swamp is the primary open area, and the slowing effect is the price for having a greatly increased line of sight.

OXM also mentions a town in the swamp where survivors are living on their own, spurning any semblance of help from the government or military. The implication is that you may meet NPC survivors in L4D2.

EDIT: oh and check out this video of the ENTIRE finale gauntlet
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=218833

its is awesome... check it out.

[CAPTIAN DOUGHNUT]

hey guys just wanted to give some links to some good sites that are doing the same thing this thread is.
http://www.zombicidal.com/category/left-4-dead-2/
http://www.zombicidal.com/l4d2/

and some info but im not going to copy everything just the bit about the new campain

2: Swamp Fever [NEW! 7/9]

Note: A working demo of this campaign will be presented at Comic-Con 2009 (July 23-26)!

The second campaign will be a nighttime mission that takes place in a "muddy bayou" somewhere between Savannah and New Orleans. A train wreck forces the Survivors to travel through a bayou--a patchwork of marshes and small rivers.

Tactical alternatives abound here. The lush vegetation of the bayou makes Infected harder to spot, but Survivors can counteract this by choosing wide-open areas like the bog. However, walking through the knee-deep mud slows them to walking pace. Alternatively, they can take longer paths on rotting boardwalks, but sections of the wood can break, causing Survivors to fall into the mire. This suggests that the boardwalks are high enough that once Survivors fall off, they cannot climb back on from the muck. The weak sections can be avoided if Survivors pay attention.

Other visual cues can also help Survivors. OXM mentions that special rewards can be found by looking for landmarks. For instance, a dangling parachute in the distance could mean that supplies can be found there.

The AI Director will have a big role in this area. Many paths will be randomized (or at least procedurally controlled) instead of being predetermined. Also, the area will have dynamic weather conditions controlled by the AI Director. Chet has mentioned in a number of interviews that the AID can suddenly create heavy rain conditions, limiting visibility, similar to the cornfields of BH5. Survivors will not be able to see each others' outlines in the rain.

There is some ambiguity about how the area is laid out. The OXM feature indicates that there are wide-open, non-muddy areas in addition to the mire, while others indicate that the muddy swamp is the primary open area, and the slowing effect is the price for having a greatly increased line of sight.

OXM also mentions a town in the swamp where survivors are living on their own, spurning any semblance of help from the government or military. The implication is that you may meet NPC survivors in L4D2.

EDIT: oh and check out this video of the ENTIRE finale gauntlet
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=218833

its is awesome... check it out.

wow im realy glad u found this beacuse the guy is not updating it eneyway it has very good information about the map

[BlackCat]

Good infos Pred.

...and off topic.. woo someone else from North East KS! :)


Also... Where did the Left4Savage go.. starting a thread like this then disappearing from the forum, wtf? lol

[pred10122]

i know! alot of people are from KS. any way ALSO i think someone said that car alarms are not timed anymore? well that is only true in afew cases like the parking lot full of cars. but earlyer in one of the maps from the parish he set off an alarm and it just went out like normal. just want to make sure we get every little detail right.
EDIT and here is my source http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-left-4-dead/51032

[one of them]

I'm almost from Kansas :(

EDIT: Wow, that's a strange State name. I don't think I've ever typed/wrote it out before. Hmm.

[pred10122]

The CVG videos of the finale include a glimpse of a new type of fixed emplacement with a single-barrel, high-caliber “heavy machine gun”. Only the barrel of the gun is visible, but it appears to be long and thin, possibly matching the .50-caliber Browning M2HB machine gun. Another possibility is the .30-06 M1919 Browning.

The machine gun is mounted on the back of what appears to be a 5-ton truck, maybe a M939. The truck can be found on the upper level of the bridge, past a slanted, fallen section and a Humvee. A tooltip suggests using the weapon when Survivors pass it.

While it has the same purpose as the minigun, the new heavy machine gun appears to be much more accurate, with a tighter spread (but lower rate of fire). In OXM, they say the gun is powerful enough to cut zombies in half.
source: http://www.zombicidal.com/l4d2/

[Bloodshed269]

Add the Spitter and mudmen, just saying.

[Hellbound107]

Add the Spitter and mudmem, just saying.

Stuff still needed to be added to the first post;
confirmed:
The Spitter- new special infected that can... spitter green stuff at you to keep survivors from camping.

Mudmen- New uncommon common for the swamp maps. They can run on all fours and use the water for cover until they get right up close to you.

Adrenaline- New item that you can use much like using the pills. It allows you to power through infected and hit them away without getting tired.

Ammo pack- useful for when you are running low, is carried like the medpack.

Unconfirmed:
-AI director will be able to change the words on the walls.
-Spitter's attack may work like a moltov except with green stuff instead of fire, and might bounce off walls.

[Infest0125]

Can I see the source you're getting it from guys? Cause as awesome as it sounds, I wanna see the source that said so.

EDIT: Also, on the new weapons making an appearance, this is just my opinion, but that was an early image of the game before we saw the new rifle and such, and they may have just used that skin for playtesting.

[SickDaza]

http://au.pc.gamespy.com/pc/left-4-dead-2/1005376p1.html

[Grieverlionhart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsGTR4aKtz0

Confirmation old weapons make a return, "Swamp Video"

[Steve Cloud]

New uncommon common revealed: Bulletproof Infected who are only vulnerable from behind (melee attacks stun them though).

http://kotaku.com/5321720/left-4-dead-2-has-bulletproof-zombies-too

Also Grenade Launcher.

[Drjanitor]

Seriously? Bullet Proof Infected from the front? My only words to that is....
What the fuck is that crap?
I can understand Headshots only for those buggers, but from behind? Amazing.
Well, it's still early, and maybe Valve will smarten up and change that before release, there's still time to correct this grave error.

[Avilsta]

I think it's kinda cool though I think you should be able to at least head-shot them :\

I wonder if meleeing them with a gun would be able to stun them the same way a melee weapon does?

[SickDaza]

As long as they make head shots count I think that it will be fine, otherwise they are going to be an absolute bitch when you get boomed.

[mshield]

Well they can still be melee'd, even to the point of falling down so you can shoot their backs. I think it's a perfect addition to the horde.

[stev0hazard]

New special infected called the spitter! Theres a picture of her on kotaku.

[mshield]

New special infected called the spitter! Theres a picture of her on kotaku.

Sorry man, but you're a bit late to the party.

[stev0hazard]

Got any details on her?

[Bloodshed269]

Seriously? Bullet Proof Infected from the front? My only words to that is....
What the fuck is that crap?
I can understand Headshots only for those buggers, but from behind? Amazing.
Well, it's still early, and maybe Valve will smarten up and change that before release, there's still time to correct this grave error.

I Like it.

[pred10122]

in 1:30 in this video http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-09-left-4-dead/53359
you see the witch in tv behind chet. it looks like she is eather leaning on the wall crying (wich would be new) or she was wandering. but its a night map so idk why she would be wondering. any one else see it?

[Nuttz]

but its a night map so idk why she would be wondering.

Well she has to be wondering about something. Perhaps she's wondering about why she was the only little girl to be transformed into this horrible thing, and that's why she is crying.

[pred10122]

lol i meant wandering.

[Nuttz]

lol i meant wandering.

Really?

[Avilsta]

idk if I missed out on anything but is there any explanation why the incapped (or dead?) survivors are brought onto the boat regardlessly?

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/avilstagifs/1-11.jpg

[SickDaza]

Yeah they get warped there so they are counted as surviving in the finale. Hence an increased survival multiplier in versus but I doubt they will include that feature in versus. They should just scrap the whole warping to the rescue vehicle crap. It's stupid.

[Drjanitor]

Remember this game is still in it's alpha/beta phase of game making, they can still change this if they want, but I'm guessing they're testing a few mechanics and what not they can put into the game before release.

[Crack5800]

idk if I missed out on anything but is there any explanation why the incapped (or dead?) survivors are brought onto the boat regardlessly?

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/avilstagifs/1-11.jpg

I REALLY hope they don't do that...hell, once your incaped your down, lol. No I'm 20 ft. from the boat and down then WAM right on the boat...

[pred10122]

the reason the downed players are on the boat is probably bc you have to put all of the survivors somewhere at the end of the map. usually this is hidden. but since this is still in beta valve might not of created one yet or it just glitched.
I'm almost certain this is it. All the finale maps have a closet the survivors go in when the ending cut scene plays, and maybe they haven't put one in this map yet. Seeing as this is the finale of Swamp Fever, they wouldn't have to because publicly (at Comic Con) they are only showing the first two levels, so no one would see the ending anyway.
this is probably why.

[xLadyxMassacrex]

new infected and details about the swamp

http://www.joystiq.com/photos/left-4-dead-2-swamp-fever/2160718/
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2009/07/68495177/1

[Deadly]

new infected and details about the swamp

http://www.joystiq.com/photos/left-4-dead-2-swamp-fever/2160718/
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2009/07/68495177/1

I'm sorry but you're a day late and a dollar short.

[Smoker]

The incapacitated survivors (Nick and Ellis) got on the boat at the end because it was a beta L4D2, it won't work like that in the real game.

[stev0hazard]

If you could downed team mates, at some sort of cost, it would be better than tele-porting -_-'.

[Frito]

Yeah they get warped there so they are counted as surviving in the finale. Hence an increased survival multiplier in versus but I doubt they will include that feature in versus. They should just scrap the whole warping to the rescue vehicle crap. It's stupid.

You are probably undoubtedly wrong.

The game's still in beta, so they'll probably work out where the survivors go in the end eventually.

[Raydude4115]

uhh if someone could only post if released the date for the demo if they're is one when they give it thanks

[7oXic]

uhh if someone could only post if released the date for the demo if they're is one when they give it thanks

No one knows, the game isn't anywhere near finished. Where are all these comments coming from? :S

[Raydude4115]

No one knows, the game isn't anywhere near finished. Where are all these comments coming from? :S

from the uncommon common people :O

[Jesus123]

It's suppose to be released in late November. So im assuming people who preorder get the demo early on in late October-early November and they will release the demo to everyone a week before release. But that's just me.

[Slochk]

what is the current pre order cost of the game?

[Stuffinator]

in 1:30 in this video http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-09-left-4-dead/53359
you see the witch in tv behind chet. it looks like she is eather leaning on the wall crying (wich would be new) or she was wandering. but its a night map so idk why she would be wondering. any one else see it?
No I think she was just a moment before attacking, where she raises her arms! Btw. as said before there is a video where the witch is sitting around at daytime, so they probably still need to work on that or they did this on purpose so she is more unpredictable ingame!

[thatawesomedude]

can the person who made this thread for dear god update it with all the comic-con info???!!!

[Fernsy]

can the person who made this thread for dear god update it with all the comic-con info???!!!

I think hes long gone.

[grabbin_peelz]

Could a mod do it?

[TheeSpongeman]

The monsters in Left 4 Dead were pretty cool looking. The Witch was creepy..... but the Spitter... honestly scares me. This is probably the creepiest thing I've seen as a human/zombie hybrid.

Here's a picture I found 0_e....

http://www.halflife2.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/spitter10.jpg

[Drjanitor]

A day too late, and a dollar too short.
You need to catch up with the times / threads being made about said topic.

[TheeSpongeman]

Sorry, I don't get on the internet (for fun) much. I'm 20 years old, so I got stuff to do. But yeah, my bad. I just got excited when I stumbled across this.

This is just going to be a freaking awesome game! After all these vids and previews, it looks like just those 2 new monsters destroy camping tactics! Probably the only thing in the first game that made it anti-climatic. Now you got to worry about being smoked out of the building, while your friends are covered in bile, stuck in a room that's been spitted. This is the vision, soon to be the reality of co-op gaming!

(Actually having to work together. So to all you Call of Duty people that mock us for not being so great at randomly killing, we'll be able to show you that you'd end up being one of those infected things before we do. I just enjoy watching people like your type running in like Rambo, just to get killed seconds later because "It's okay! I play Call of Duty!")

[SRXSniper58]

One question
why does it say you are new member Spongeman, when i joined 2 months after you and i am old member?

[one of them]

One question
why does it say you are new member Spongeman, when i joined 2 months after you and i am old member?

It goes by Post Count, not by Date Joined.

[The Road Rascal]

Are there more than two weapon tiers? PC Gamer magazine mentioned an FN SCAR as the assault rifle, yet a gameplay video I viewed had a survivor packing either an AK-47 or AK-74.

[Smoker]

We don't know for sure whether or not they are 'Tier 3' weps, but there is plently of new guns.

I'm guessing there will be extra tier weapons though. :V

[Lunatic Brandon]

I saw an AK-47 and a M79 grenade launcher in a video today.

[Grieverlionhart]

I want that spear machine thing from Dusk Til Dawn, that'd kick ass in this, also a magnum please Valve!

[CAPTIAN DOUGHNUT]

i think we should close this thread and make a new one

[SickDaza]

Hey guys, we can have a dedicated L4D2 facts thread!

Just make sure you update it CONSTANTLY.

I think he has a point considering this hasn't been updated in over a month so the thread has become somewhat useless.

[Steve Cloud]

If people could help out by assembling all the facts so I can just copy-paste them, the task wouldn't look so daunting to me. (just got back from a long bus trip from Hobart and even thinking about work makes me want to sleep)

[SickDaza]

Alright well my internet is capped atm so I can't be bothered spending an hour doing it when someone could do it in twenty minutes, however if someone hasn't done it by monday I will.

[CAPTIAN DOUGHNUT]

ill try and help is it ok if its of some oter website

[Steve Cloud]

It's all the same info (and I can just rewrite it slightly if need be)

[CAPTIAN DOUGHNUT]

It's all the same info (and I can just rewrite it slightly if need be)

ok 1 sec ill get the campains info shell i post it on here for ya?

[SRXSniper58]

Add the Carnival Campaign, it confirmed from that gametrailers video

[SlainPwner666]

Katana, Cricket bat, Baseball bat, AK 47, Spitter, Swamp Fever will have a traditional finale, Adrenaline and Ammo Packs. That's all I can think of right now.

[Ouroboros Omega]

Can I mention that I found a page on the left 4 dead wiki that says we get a katana as a weapon?
Link: http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Katana

[pred10122]

Can I mention that I found a page on the left 4 dead wiki that says we get a katana as a weapon?
Link: http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Katana

sorry your a day late it was revieled on gametrailers episode 220

here: http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/67&ch=1&sd=0?ep=67&ch=1&sd=0 is the video.

[Bloodshed269]

Is this guy even here anymore?

[hunterhunter]

dont look like it....

[SickDaza]

Is this guy even here anymore?

Hasn't been for about two months now.

[ThoughtThinking]

If people could help out by assembling all the facts so I can just copy-paste them, the task wouldn't look so daunting to me. (just got back from a long bus trip from Hobart and even thinking about work makes me want to sleep)

Ok.
Cricket bat (melee weapon)
Swamp campaign
Carnival campaign
Katana (melee weapon)
Baseball bat (melee weapon)
AK-47
Grenade launcher
Adrenaline (replacement for pills i think)
Ammo packs
Spitter (New SI)
Mudman (UCI) Thanks to Black Cat.
Riot Police (UCI) Thanks to Black Cat.

I think thats all.Im not sure.

[BlackCat]

Ok.
Cricket bat (melee weapon)
Swamp campaign
Carnival campaign
Katana (melee weapon)
Baseball bat (melee weapon)
AK-47
Grenade launcher
Adrenaline (replacement for pills i think)
Ammo packs
Spitter (New SI)

I think thats all.Im not sure.

There is also the Riot Police UCI... I think that is all that's missing from your list.

EDIT: I also notice the Mudmen UCI are missing from the OP as well.

[ThoughtThinking]

There is also the Riot Police UCI... I think that is all that's missing from your list.

EDIT: I also notice the Mudmen UCI are missing from the OP as well.
Added.
Ok steve go add those!
See i made it easy lol.:D

[Funkatronic]

Wow, this needs updating..fast.

[Elunah]

Might I be so bold as to suggest this? ;)

http://www.zombicidal.com/l4d2/

[mshield]

Some info about the Charger.

When his attack is activated, the Charger runs towards the survivors. He picks up the first survivor he hits, using them as a shield while he charges through the other players. When he has run out of 'charge', he proceeds to repeatedly hit down the first survivor while stationary, until the survivor or the Charger is killed. He cannot be shoved.

Source, GameTrailers Gabe Newell interview.

[zombicidalmaniac]

Might I be so bold as to suggest this? ;)

http://www.zombicidal.com/l4d2/

ur like i dunno about 2,3 months late maybe?

[OhComeOnNate]

Wowwww. It's been so long since I've posted...my computer was full of viruses and I never got around to reformatting it. Any extremely noteworthy news from the past...month or so?

[Abyss Crown]

One reason staff should only do threads like these. Just IMO.

[BlackCat]

Steve had been keeping it up, just not recently. ;)

[theliberator1]

this game seems to be getting better and better. So glad to see the spitter in there!! die corner campers! hhahah!!

[Drjanitor]

He talks as if he was an original defender of old Stalingrad during the second world war, and he is now advancing into Berlin, "NO MERCY TO THE FACIST PIGS" attitude.
Aaahhhhh, good old Call of Duty: World at War.

But yea, spitter is going to be awesome, but I prefer the Charger.

[Mutte]

-- WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE JOCKEY --
At this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-okMafzrxUs
you can see at about 1:38 to 1:42 that The Jockey jumps on Rochelle and after she's incap'd, The Jockey jumps off of Rochelle and goes to attack the other survivors.

It might be useful to add this.

[Fernsy]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=962727

Hes got a good point

[Bloodshed269]

Who's gonna add it? Steve was the only one keeping up this thread, and, well, he can't do it anymore.

[Jesus123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLcTxA5E2lc

1:41 you can see their is a tier 1 sniper rifle. It looks basically like the one from the first Left 4 Dead.

[Jesus123]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=970405

This is a epic idea, and should be added.

[7oXic]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=970405

This is a epic idea, and should be added.

That, and the ability to let go of a ledge or survivor (as infected)

I hate not being able to do that :/

[grabbin_peelz]

I fucking hate it too! Once there was a tank and he knocked me onto a ledge that was only three fucking feet above the ground! Blasphemy!!!! Needless to say, the commons beat me down and my body fell for about 1/2 a second. GAY!!!!!!!!!
/rant

[Nuttz]

That, and the ability to let go of a ledge or survivor (as infected)

I hate not being able to do that :/

This is without a doubt one of the stupidest and most requested addition for Left 4 Dead of all of them. Stop asking or they'll actually listen! Unless of course you ant the whole premise of the game to be thrown away like rotten piece of fruit.

[frogopus]

This is without a doubt one of the stupidest and most requested addition for Left 4 Dead of all of them. Stop asking or they'll actually listen! Unless of course you ant the whole premise of the game to be thrown away like rotten piece of fruit.

Having the ability to let yourself drop from the ledge and take falling damage would eliminate the stupidly ridiculous moments of "oh noes someone save me, my feet are 6 inches from the ground." Its a fix that I would like to see added to the original L4D. Team mates should be required to save you from taking damage/dying, not lift you up because you're too stupid to drop. It always reminds me of the scene in Men in Tights, when Little John is splashing in the 3 inch creek and crying for help.

[7oXic]

Having the ability to let yourself drop from the ledge and take falling damage would eliminate the stupidly ridiculous moments of "oh noes someone save me, my feet are 6 inches from the ground." Its a fix that I would like to see added to the original L4D. Team mates should be required to save you from taking damage/dying, not lift you up because you're too stupid to drop. It always reminds me of the scene in Men in Tights, when Little John is splashing in the 3 inch creek and crying for help.

Exactly, I'm not looking for any change to the actual gameplay elements, I just hate situations like those.

[Bloodshed269]

That would make parts of the game better...I think this idea might have to receive my first ever stamp of approval....maybe.

[killion237]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vors0yz9EsQ New UZI Anims, Machete, and Desert Eagle Gameplay.

[Bloodshed269]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vors0yz9EsQ New UZI Anims, Machete, and Desert Eagle Gameplay.

Cool. Don't really see what would be the difference between the Katana and the Machete in the game, but we'll see, maybe.

[Crack5800]

Desert Eagle is one beast of a gun...lol

[grabbin_peelz]

Dre should be here cuz of the Deagle. I think that just made the game for him.

[TheUknown]

The three new infection's are
The Jockey- Which is Similar to the Hunter except jumps into your back and leads you to the Hoarde.
The Charger- its like the witch and a hunter. He grabs you and pounds you into the floor intill your dead.
The Spitter- Like the Smoker except it spits out acid and when it hits surface it turns into oarnge smoke so you cant hide in camping area's

[Bloodshed269]

The three new infection's are
The Jockey- Which is Similar to the Hunter except jumps into your back and leads you to the Hoarde.
The Charger- its like the witch and a hunter. He grabs you and pounds you into the floor intill your dead.
The Spitter- Like the Smoker except it spits out acid and when it hits surface it turns into oarnge smoke so you cant hide in camping area's

REALLY!?!?!?!!? You must work for VALVe, because you are giving us top secret information that none of us knew!

[EPSILON32]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha serious

[SickDaza]

REALLY!?!?!?!!? You must work for VALVe, because you are giving us top secret information that none of us knew!

I lol'd

[killion237]

Anyone know if theres like a Riot shield, in L4D2?

Ya know a Riot shield that would take up the Primary weapons slot, so you can still shoot a single pistol or a one-handed melee weapon I.E Police baton, Machete, Crowbar, ETC.
Throw the home-made bombs and the like.

You could tap Secondary fire to smash/bash infected away or hold it to be a mobile barricade, you could also have damage immunity from the front. (Unless hit by a Tank or Charger, or pounced from behind from a Hunter, or Jockey. The Smoker could grab people from behind as well. The Boomer vomit would be able to hit people who have the riot shield from behind or from above. (This one is a maybe: The CI can climb over it though.)
It would look like this: http://anlong.win.mofcom.gov.cn/www/24%5Canlong%5Cimg%5C200753192024.jpg

Does anyone know if its in there or not?

[Bloodshed269]

Anyone know if theres like a Riot shield, in L4D2?

Ya know a Riot shield that would take up the Primary weapons slot, so you can still shoot a single pistol or a one-handed melee weapon I.E Police baton, Machete, Crowbar, ETC.
Throw the home-made bombs and the like.

You could tap Secondary fire to smash/bash infected away or hold it to be a mobile barricade, you could also have damage immunity from the front. (Unless hit by a Tank or Charger, or pounced from behind from a Hunter, or Jockey. The Smoker could grab people from behind as well. The Boomer vomit would be able to hit people who have the riot shield from behind or from above. (This one is a maybe: The CI can climb over it though.)
It would look like this: http://anlong.win.mofcom.gov.cn/www/24%5Canlong%5Cimg%5C200753192024.jpg

Does anyone know if its in there or not?

Not that I know of. I wouldn't want one anyway.

[killion237]

Not that I know of. I wouldn't want one anyway.

I just wanna know ya know if the got a riot police infected, along with a police baton, why wouldn't they have shields.. -.-

[Bloodshed269]

I just wanna know ya know if the got a riot police infected, along with a police baton, why wouldn't they have shields.. -.-

Nope.

[lazkataz]

I'm here to fuck shit up

[Nibos]

Infected may or may not be able to hear the heartbeat of black and white people.

Watch 5:16 through 5:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw2crf42520