your favorite gun.

[Slochk]

what is your favorite gun l4d411? im kinda bored and feel like making a "we luv guns" thread :)

mine has to be the the Springfield Operator in .45
http://www.acesindoorshooting.com/files/33328884.jpg
it is a big heavy slow moving bullet that will blow a hole in an elephant.

what is you favorite gun?

[Neurologist]

Anything that shoots lead out of it's mouth.

[Icy Lemon]

The G36C is pretty cool
http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/34990.gif

[Jub8Jub]

I'm not much of a gun lover, in fact I dont own any. But I went to someone's house and I fell in love with the M-1 Garand they owned. We all should know what it looks like so I won't post any pictures. Some things you might not know is that it can fit a cleaning kit inside of it. Also it has a metal plate on the butt of the gun for bashing in skulls.

[Jesus123]

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/fnherstal/FSN.jpg

I love this gun to death. But sadly, their rather expensive. There is a used Five Seven not too far from my house that sells for about $650.

[Bloodshed269]

I kinda have a place for this in my arsenal:http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/images/m4options.jpg

[SlainPwner666]

Is that an M4?

I've got an M4. Excitable little bastard, but gets the job done.

[Slochk]

Is that an M4?

I've got an M4. Excitable little bastard, but gets the job done.

if not an m4 it is some type of ar-15 ya know

[Crack5800]

http://stores.brigadesutler.com/catalog/enf1853.jpg

1853 Euroarms 3-Band Enfield Musket Rifle...

[SlainPwner666]

Meh, they all look alike. Congrats, looks nice.

[Zorgy]

*waits for apex to see this and tell us about some kind of laser cannon*

[Jesus123]

Meh, they all look alike. Congrats, looks nice.

So is the M4 your preferable weapon of choice or favorite?

[SlainPwner666]

It's got me through 4 years of service with nay a scratch on me. I love the thing. Mine's just standard, nothing real fancy on it though. Just a sling and red dot sight.

[ScoobySnax]

http://www.codmodernwarfare2.co.uk/wp-content/themes/ProSense-Blue/ProSense-Blue/images/M-32_Grenade_Launcher

NOTHING spells badass more than a Freakin Grenade Launcher.

[Crack5800]

http://www.unmarked-car.com/images/sniper_08.gif

Marine Sniper buddy...that's a bad ass...;)

[ScoobySnax]

http://www.unmarked-car.com/images/sniper_08.gif

Marine Sniper buddy...that's a bad ass...;)

I find it quite girly to kill the opposing from 500 meters away in the safety seat. But if I were in war thats all I'd be lol.

[Crack5800]

Girly....when you can snipe someone's head clear off 500 yards away in winds, rains or other weather conditions AS WELL as even some snipers do..take down multiple targets...

Girly??? I most certainly think not ;)

[ScoobySnax]

It's cool but girly. You sit back in the grass camoed while everyone runs in and risks their ass.

[Crack5800]

Exactly..and at the end of the day when everyone goes over how many shots they missed and how few kills they had... I'll sit back and say..

10 shots....10 heads ;)

[Slochk]

snipers have a hard time as well, you have to stay still for hours if not days, and shoot one round and kill one person.

[SRXSniper58]

Im sticking with mah street sweepa

[Apex_]

*waits for apex to see this and tell us about some kind of laser cannon*

The Magpul Masada aka Bushmaster/Remington ACR is a pretty cool guy. eh shoots bullets and doesn't afraid of anything. Also the Massoud.

FN Five-seveN

One of the few DAO pistols I like. People can complain all they like about the 5.7x28mm cartridge, but I've seen the ballistics tests...it's no slouch.

Freakin Grenade Launcher

And it's compatible with all of VLTOR's other AR-15 type accessories. Modular grenade launcher FTW.

[Slochk]

apex your gun kinda looks like a SCAR, or w/e that gun is called

[Bloodshed269]

Is that an M4?

I've got an M4. Excitable little bastard, but gets the job done.

It is an M4A1.

[UKMD Elmo]

http://www.famous-guns.com/wp-content/uploads/glock-17-06.jpg

Fo' shizzle ma nizzle, them Glock 17's is some nice Bizzle.

Yo.

[Grieverlionhart]

I like,THIS!
http://media.photobucket.com/image/barry%252527s%20magnum/DanteTheArbitrator/Magnum.jpg

[Apex_]

It is an M4A1.

Yep, with pretty much every military-authorized attachment you could load it up with. If you had lots of money you could build *almost* the same thing in semi-auto for your own collection, believe it or not. That includes the M203 (or a very close replica to it that shoots flares, hah!).

apex your gun kinda looks like a SCAR

Yeah, it looks similar to the SCAR but boy does it feel different. I've had the chance to handle the SCAR first hand and I'm not a big fan of it honestly. It's hard to describe how a gun handles unless you get one in your hands, but I walked away feeling it was kind of flimsy. Slain probably knows where I'm coming from when I say that about M4 style stocks; they rattle and feel kind of cheap, even the Colt and other USGI 'mil-spec' ones. That's kind of the way I felt about the SCAR. Well, that and the sloped shape makes a really odd feeling cheek rest.

I wouldn't say the Masada/ACR is my favorite gun overall, but the modular system for quick change barrels and caliber conversions is pretty slick. I don't like the molded plastic body, it's less customizable, so if you don't like the pistol grip you can't change it.

Favorite overall rifle? I don't know, a gas piston type AR-15 is high on the list I think. Maybe not one in .223 though...I'd prefer 6.8 (if it weren't so expensive) or even .308.

[EClaris]

http://fidgit.com/gravity_gun.jpg


awwwww yeah

[SlainPwner666]

http://fidgit.com/gravity_gun.jpg


awwwww yeah

I came violently.

[Deadly]

My great uncle helped make the Springfield rifle for use in World War 2. I'm not a gun fanatic so I don't really know much about guns so I can't really pick a favorite

[Apex_]

My great uncle helped make the Springfield rifle for use in World War 2. I'm not a gun fanatic so I don't really know much about guns so I can't really pick a favorite

He worked at Springfield? That's pretty awesome, I actually have a WWI vintage Springfield 1903A1 (the WW2 ones were generally A3 models) and it's a really solid rifle. They're heavily based off of the Mauser 98 design, but added some major innovations like the magazine cutoff switch. I actually got to see an Air Service model up close a few months back.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/3d/M1903AirService.jpg/450px-M1903AirService.jpg

Also I concede defeat. The Gravity Gun wins hands down.

[hunterhunter]

so beautiful.....so deadly

http://www.spareammo.com/posters/deserteagle4420004_400x299.jpg

[Dre]

so beautiful.....so deadly

http://www.spareammo.com/posters/deserteagle4420004_400x299.jpg



FUCK YES!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Husleman/quantities_of_win.jpg

[Deadly]

Also I concede defeat. The Gravity Gun wins hands down.

Or the portal gun.

[one of them]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/Darksagejl/Magnum500.png
Magnum 500
I'm sure Apex will come in here and completely destroy this next statement, but I do believe it is better than the Desert Eagle.

EDIT: Yes, it IS better than the Desert Eagle.
Suck it.

[BallsMalloney]

Man Desert Eagle? What is this the 2000's?
IMMA CHARGING MY LAYSZERRRR
http://www.pureanimegallery.com/d/1870-1/vashs-big-gun.jpg

[one of them]

I remember that show.

[Lunatic Brandon]

http://msp115.photobucket.com/albums/n294/Unclepockets420/AK47.jpg

This. Its all you'd need in almost any situation and you can legally own one.

[Fernsy]

http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/gswithenbank/knife.gif
Have I got the wrong idea? :-/

[Apex_]

I'm sure Apex will come in here and completely destroy this next statement, but I do believe it is better than the Desert Eagle.


Actually I'd say quite the opposite. I'm not a big revolver guy but the S&W 500s are overall much better guns than a Desert Eagle in my opinion. The only reason the Desert Eagle has any notoriety is that it's one of a very few magnum-caliber automatic pistols out there and videogames. It's a heavy brick of a gun with reliability issues.

[...]you can legally own one

There aren't many weapons you can't legally own in the US. Well, aside from a handful of states with their own bans in place. Short barreled rifles and sawn-off shotguns are perfectly legal if you pay the $200 fee. Fully automatic weapons made before May 1986 are also perfectly legal to own, if you've got the cash to buy one and pay the transfer tax.

Have I got the wrong idea?

Well it does say favorite *gun* and not favorite *weapon*. Gravity gun counts because it throws things as projectiles. Portal gun may or may not count...I suppose you could say it throws things indirectly :P

[ApeX420]

the reason i choos the the AR15 &the jericho 941 is ther both very quick,percise nail drviers!!! ..the only flaw in the AR15 is tht it is tht once u get water or mud in it at all u dont have a gun anymore
http://crimsonsguns.tripod.com/spike.jpg




http://www.neaca.com/images/Colt_AR-15_SP1_SP495xx_.JPG

[Tyr]

I like my Marlin .22 bolt-action rifle. It's got a synthetic stock and it's silenced. I plan to buy a bipod for it; turn it into the ultimate bunny-sniper.

[Elite]

AA12

http://hamiltonandtroup.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/us20marine20firing20aa-1220full-auto20shotgun2028aa1220machine20shotgun29.jpg

This shotgun reloads with drum magazines and can fire explosive rounds.
Best shotgun ever.

[kit temple]

...... a c96 masuer (aka the red 9 handgun from R.e 4)..who needs fire power or reloading speed when your gun looks that cool!

[Apex_]

jericho 941

I'd like to thank you for using the proper name instead of "Baby Eagle". The pistol has more in common with the CZ-75 family than a Desert Eagle, and the "Baby Eagle" name is just a brand to try to sell more in the US. Great pistol though, both in compact and full size.

Water in the gas system is one of the reasons I'm a proponent of gas-piston systems on the AR-15/M16 platform. Look at other weapons that use gas pistons like the FAL, AK series, M1 Carbine, G3/HK91 and how generally reliable they are comparatively.

c96 masuer

Nothing wrong with that choice. The C96 was one of the first popular automatic pistols, and really popularized the idea in an age where revolvers dominated. One of the experimental versions made during WW2 (and copied by the Chinese later) had detachable magazines. I came very close to buying one of those once, but it went well out of my price range!

Also "Red 9" isn't just a cool name used in a video game. The original 9x19mm (9mm Luger) production had a large, red 9 carved into the wooden grips. Prior to that they were produced in 7.63x25mm (.30 Mauser), which is a pretty cool caliber really.

[Steve Cloud]

I think I should probably just go ahead and re-name this thread "Apex talks about guns some more"

[Apex_]

I think I should probably just go ahead and re-name this thread "Apex talks about guns some more"

Come on Steve, this is a gun thread. You're cramping my style.

I'm not trying to be contrary but if my ramblings bother you (or anyone else) that much why don't you just ignore me? There are a couple of people that don't mind, or god forbid actually enjoy my posts.

[InstantDeath]

http://mgdb.himitsukichi.com/pukiwiki/?plugin=ref&page=SW%20M500&src=m500.jpg
Recoil is lolwut. Thanks Re5 for showing me this weapon. :P
S&W M500
Edit: just noticed its the same gun as One of Them picked. Oops! (You can stop complaining now One, jeez)

[Steve Cloud]

I'm not trying to be contrary but if my ramblings bother you (or anyone else) that much why don't you just ignore me? There are a couple of people that don't mind, or god forbid actually enjoy my posts.


I wouldn't have a problem if you didn't do it so much; every time somebody even mentions a gun, you post three paragraphs about it and your personal opinion of it. And god forbid people don't like you rambling about stocks every time a rifle is mentioned.

Guns are cool and all, but save the rambling for when someone actually asks for it.

(This is just something that's annoyed me, and other people I've spoken to, for a long time.)

[hunterhunter]

lol we should rename this thread to APEX_ teaches us about guns.

[Apex_]

Alright if it's really getting on peoples' nerves I'll reserve all rambling for my own threads in the future, and I'll stay out of everywhere else just in case. Since you've been the only one to bring this to my attention, Steve, I wasn't aware that many people were getting annoyed. And you could always PM me and say "I'm serious, you really should stop".

If you want to, delete my posts in this thread and the Pimp My Gun threads and I'll go make my own here in offtopic where people can ask technical questions and I can ramble.

[Hellbound107]

My favorite actual gun is a toss up between my Glock and my 30-30. My rifle may not be an assault rifle, but its accuracy is amazing and I love hunting with it.
Id give Apex the right to reply to mine if he has any hunting rifle suggestions or etc...

Out of the range of actual catagorized and buyable guns I have actualy made my own fire arm. Using pipe and a few broken shotguns, I made a rip off of the Hydra from Resident Evil 5. The thing is down right scary. Image a (not 3, but) six barrel shotgun with a piece of wood carved into a handle and holding the barrels in place and several pieces of duct tape wrapped at key areas. Dont get me wrong, theres nails and hot glue in it. One shot from my "Hydra L71" is like a cannon going off and it rips the shit out of everything infront of it.

Problem is it can only be fired once and then reloaded by break action. I plan on modifying it so that a select number of shells from six can be fired instead of all six at the same time. Probly make the hammers movable so only a few hit and the others can be quickly switched to fire the rest.

[one of them]

Alright if it's really getting on peoples' nerves I'll reserve all rambling for my own threads in the future, and I'll stay out of everywhere else just in case. Since you've been the only one to bring this to my attention, Steve, I wasn't aware that many people were getting annoyed. And you could always PM me and say "I'm serious, you really should stop".
I actually asked for a ramble with the whole Magnum 500 thing, because I was curious if you (being the apparent expert and all) thought it was better than the Desert Eagle.

[Geoff Portnoy]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x219/oleary9907/IMG_0341.jpg
Mark .23 Socom

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb205/fender_ketchup/Patriot.jpg
and the Patriot

I really like any M16, but the Patriot is just badass.

[Bloodshed269]

^^^^^That does look badass.

[hunterhunter]

you do know he made that right

EDIT:found the website

HERE: http://www.larueprofiler.com/Profiler.html

GTFO faker

[Geoff Portnoy]

you do know he made that right

EDIT:found the website

HERE: http://www.larueprofiler.com/Profiler.html

GTFO faker

*Sigh*

The patriot is a real gun. It is a shortened version of the M-16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M231_Firing_Port_Weapon

That is the real version, the Patriot is the MGS Version.

Shut your face.

[Apex_]

The patriot is a real gun. It is a shortened version of the M-16.

It's not hard to duplicate the "Patriot" from MGS. It's essentially a registered pistol AR-15 with a Beta-style drum magazine. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's based off of the experimental "firing port weapon" Colt demo'd for the military. You can build your own Patriot for less than a thousand bucks, and a good chunk of that is the drum.

I actually asked for a ramble with the whole Magnum 500 thing

I'll take every chance I can get to ramble :P

Id give Apex the right to reply to mine

Actually you won't get much argument out of me for either. I'm no fan of striker fired (aka hammerless or "safe action" as Glock calls it) pistols but I have some serious respect for the Glock design as an armorer. I own one myself, a 17C.

People often disregard lever-action rifles these days, but they're still great guns. I think out of all of the guns in my safe the one with the most deer to its name is a Winchester '94. It's a perfect middle ground between bolt actions and semi-autos, and they tend to cost less than either of equal quality. Besides, how many semi-auto 30-30s do you know of? :P

[UKMD Elmo]

*Raises hand*

I for one enjoy Apex's gun rambles, all of which are very informative and pretty damn interesting. I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it, especialy as this is a gun thread and it is entirely on topic.

Anyhow, I like the G36. i know there's multiple versions such as the G36c (compact) and that civvy versions are far inferior to the military ones, but what else are the noticeable differences in the types other than size and manouverability?

And yeah that question is aimed at Apex, wishing for a rambling multi-paragraph responce :D

[ApeX420]

thts my nickname give it back ...lol....howd u get ur nickname....u kno what apex means?

[Geoff Portnoy]

thts my nickname give it back ...lol....howd u get ur nickname....u kno what apex means?

Posts: 398

Posts: 15

Who's stealing whose nickname?

[ApeX420]

it used to be just apex but i had to change my user name cause apex was already taken

[Raydude4115]

Id probally say some dual pistols or a MP5 :)

[hunterhunter]

another one of my fav. very reliable

http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/hart45d.jpg

[Slochk]

another one of my fav. very reliable


colt SAA in .45? am i right?

[Jesus123]

http://www.lneilsmith.org/pictures/broomhandle.jpg

Mauser C96

Nuff said'

[JayEmmAre]

Glock 18c. Hellz Yeah!
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/423/g19st3.jpg

[UKMD Elmo]

Glock 18c. Hellz Yeah!
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/423/g19st3.jpg


D'aww, it's adorable.

But seriously, from what I've heard I'm a bit of a fan of the baby Glocks too: Very nice backups as they are comfortable, discreet, small, and can hold a shed load of rounds even up to .357. Very nice choice indeed sir.

[Fernsy]

Elmo, how come you know so much about guns? I mean with you being from Bolton. Is it just an unhealthy obsession you have or do you have (or had) access to guns in some legal form??

[UKMD Elmo]

Elmo, how come you know so much about guns? I mean with you being from Bolton. Is it just an unhealthy obsession you have or do you have (or had) access to guns in some legal form??

I've had a little experience with firearms before, all of which was very legal and above the board. Plus I know a few people, mostly indirectly, who work with firearms on a daily basis, so even if it is unlikely I'll ever get to hold some of the guns I talk about or ever become an expert on the subject, I know enough to comment on them and sometimes recognise them. Also personal research and studying on the subject helps out some.

Plus, guns are awesome! Who doesn't want to know more about them? :D

EDIT: Also, that Glock 18c is a left handed variant I think. And C means 'compensated', indicating it has a slot in the top of the barrel so when a round is fired some of the gas is vented upwards instead of straight out of the barrrel. This reduces upward recoil, allowing for a much faster repeated pull of the trigger while still being able to keep the pistol aimed at the target without much adjusting for recoil.

Ahem.

[Fernsy]

Are these few people you know from Moss Side?

/joke

[JayEmmAre]

EDIT: Also, that Glock 18c is a left handed variant I think. And C means 'compensated', indicating it has a slot in the top of the barrel so when a round is fired some of the gas is vented upwards instead of straight out of the barrrel. This reduces upward recoil, allowing for a much faster repeated pull of the trigger while still being able to keep the pistol aimed at the target without much adjusting for recoil.

Ahem. Indeed, Exactly why I chose it, I am left handed first of all. Plus who does not what easily repeatable shots?

[UKMD Elmo]

Indeed, Exactly why I chose it, I am left handed first of all. Plus who does not what easily repeatable shots?

I hear that, though the compensated feature aint perfect. At night you can often get muzzle flash arcing upwards from the pistol as gas vents out of the slot, messing up your aim and dazzling you a bit if it's fairly dark. You don't notice it during the day though.

[alex]

Darn it, my bb gun broke today :( oh well, it was only 3 Euro's so... anyway, even those are illegal in Holland, even guns that look like real ones but can't fire a thing. If they catch you it's gonna cost you 150-500 Euro's penalty or even a week in jail, depending on the situation.

[Apex_]

Glock 18c. Hellz Yeah!

That's not a Glock 18, it's a Glock 19 ;)

In all seriousness though most people in the industry don't bother using the numbers, because they don't mean much except when it was brought to the market. The 17 was the first model, and every number higher just means it came out later. We call them by frame size and caliber, since for the most part you can interchange them without any issues. For example your image is a compact frame, 9x19 model which happens to be a Glock 19. Now there are so damned many models you practically need a table of size, caliber and style (short frame, RTF, etc) to find which number is what!

@Elmo: There's no such thing as a "left handed" Glock. There are a ton of aftermarket parts for Glock pistols, including reversible or ambidextrous magazine catches. Aside from the magazine release button, everything else is ambidextrous anyway, because there aren't any other external controls!

Anyone interested in cool Glock facts picked up from a Glock armorer's course? They may not be my favorite pistols but I've got some serious respect for them after that course...

My own Glock 17C (http://content.apex-games.net/pics/firearms/g17c_xmag.jpg)

[Slochk]

ok, so if the "c" does not mean "left handed" then what does it mean, cuz i thought it was for left handed people.

[Apex_]

ok, so if the "c" does not mean "left handed" then what does it mean, cuz i thought it was for left handed people.

C means 'compensated',

This is correct. A lot of people think the C means "compact" but that's of course not the case since my pistol for example is a Glock 17C, which is a full sized pistol. The compacts can be purchased compensated though!

Elmo did a pretty good job of describing the compensator system. The Glock factory ones are two lengthwise cuts in the barrel and slide, making a V-shaped vertical blast when fired. Aftermarket barrels have as many as 6 circular ports and the slide is often milled out completely for the length of those holes.

Glock Factory Compensator aka "C" model (http://www.athomepc.net/test/Glock-19c-9mm.jpg)

Sadly this (http://www.gunshopfinder.com/Glock/G34.jpg) is the only image I can locate of a competition-grade ported barrel setup, which is Glock's long-slide version.

[Slochk]

apex i have to say thanks for that bit of info, and i have a quick question about your opinion of a .45 ACP to a 10mm. in a 1911 model/body. what shoots better more acuate "nockdown power" recoil, and so on.

[Apex_]

apex i have to say thanks for that bit of info, and i have a quick question about your opinion of a .45 ACP to a 10mm. in a 1911 model/body. what shoots better more acuate "nockdown power" recoil, and so on.

No problem, I'm full of random gun knowledge. Elmo's been absorbing a bunch of it lately :P

Which is more accurate? Depends on distance, whether or not you're shooting competition, all sorts of things. For practical purposes I err on the side of the .45ACP myself, but I'm a big 1911 guy anyway and just like the old-school short, fat caliber. You'll get more recoil out of a 10mm by far, assuming it's not ported (compensated). It's just a real pain to find ammo for it, when you can get high-velocity loads in .45ACP that can give you similar performance. The accuracy gain the higher velocity 10mm gives mustn't be that great, considering all of the champion 1911 competition guys still shoot .45!

*WARNING GUN NUT STUFF INCOMING*
I'll try not to make this a rant, but the terms "knockdown power" and "stopping power" are really a touchy subject in the gun world. I don't mind "stopping power" since that's usually what you're looking for in a gun...you want to stop someone or something. Whether it's stopping an attacker from hurting you or stopping a deer from running a mile and making you track it doesn't matter :)

I've argued with avid hunters that "knockdown power" is a ridiculous term because anything powerful enough to knock an enemy down will floor you with the recoil ;)
*END GUN NUT RANT*

Put it this way though, both will give you plenty of punch. With the right loads a 1911 in .45 shoots like a dream and puts a lot more lead downrange than 9mm and .40S&W. I've got two service model 1911s myself, as well as one 3" compact and I'd never consider buying one in 10mm myself.

Besides, if the zombie apocalypse ever hits you'll find a lot more .45ACP than 10mm :P

[JayEmmAre]

That's not a Glock 18, it's a Glock 19 ;)

In all seriousness though most people in the industry don't bother using the numbers, because they don't mean much except when it was brought to the market. The 17 was the first model, and every number higher just means it came out later. We call them by frame size and caliber, since for the most part you can interchange them without any issues. For example your image is a compact frame, 9x19 model which happens to be a Glock 19. Now there are so damned many models you practically need a table of size, caliber and style (short frame, RTF, etc) to find which number is what!

@Elmo: There's no such thing as a "left handed" Glock. There are a ton of aftermarket parts for Glock pistols, including reversible or ambidextrous magazine catches. Aside from the magazine release button, everything else is ambidextrous anyway, because there aren't any other external controls!

Anyone interested in cool Glock facts picked up from a Glock armorer's course? They may not be my favorite pistols but I've got some serious respect for them after that course...

My own Glock 17C (http://content.apex-games.net/pics/firearms/g17c_xmag.jpg)
It is indeed a Glock 18c. As said on the page the picture is from and all that I have learned about them. The Glock 19 is very close in appearances though.


Ahh, Edit. It is a G19. Sorry. I posted the wrong picture. Oh well. You get the point.

[Nuttz]

Ahem.

http://jasonchartley.com/img/airsoft_minigun

[Apex_]

Ahem.

I don't think an airsoft minigun is going to help much against the zombies.

Try this one instead:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/998/l4abaa9b0d8ccdd355b7d7ezn1.jpg

[Icy Lemon]

CheyTac M200

http://www.ginklai.net/images/galerija/2358_edm408_m3.jpg

Me likes this snoipah.

[Slochk]

No problem, I'm full of random gun knowledge. Elmo's been absorbing a bunch of it lately :P

Which is more accurate? Depends on distance, whether or not you're shooting competition, all sorts of things. For practical purposes I err on the side of the .45ACP myself, but I'm a big 1911 guy anyway and just like the old-school short, fat caliber. You'll get more recoil out of a 10mm by far, assuming it's not ported (compensated). It's just a real pain to find ammo for it, when you can get high-velocity loads in .45ACP that can give you similar performance. The accuracy gain the higher velocity 10mm gives mustn't be that great, considering all of the champion 1911 competition guys still shoot .45!

*WARNING GUN NUT STUFF INCOMING*
I'll try not to make this a rant, but the terms "knockdown power" and "stopping power" are really a touchy subject in the gun world. I don't mind "stopping power" since that's usually what you're looking for in a gun...you want to stop someone or something. Whether it's stopping an attacker from hurting you or stopping a deer from running a mile and making you track it doesn't matter :)

I've argued with avid hunters that "knockdown power" is a ridiculous term because anything powerful enough to knock an enemy down will floor you with the recoil ;)
*END GUN NUT RANT*

Put it this way though, both will give you plenty of punch. With the right loads a 1911 in .45 shoots like a dream and puts a lot more lead downrange than 9mm and .40S&W. I've got two service model 1911s myself, as well as one 3" compact and I'd never consider buying one in 10mm myself.

Besides, if the zombie apocalypse ever hits you'll find a lot more .45ACP than 10mm :P

again i have to thank you for your time to wright all that down just for someone on the internet, lol any way so you would go with a .45 over a 10mm, its half just to own one and half for a "home protecton" thing. again thank you.

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CheyTac M200

I'll one-up you. Meet the THOR XM series in .408 CheyTac:

Assembled
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/images_products_408Suppressed1.jpg

Disassembled (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/408Takedown1.jpg) (bigger image)

(hat tip to Steve over at TFB for hosting those great pics. <3 TFB!)

again i have to thank you for your time to wright all that down just for someone on the internet

No problem at all. I like answering gun questions no matter how basic or technical they are. You should see the "courses" I give friends and family on the range and in the shop!