Would you buy the beta version of L4D?

[Bloodshed269]

I would. Also, what would you be willing to pay for it? For me, between $20-$30 American dollars. HBU?

[Jesus123]

Yes I would.

[Tyr]

No. Why wold you spend money on an incomplete product? It's hardly different from the released version anyway.

[BlackCat]

I would. Looks like it would be fun. It isn't as well polished as the final product, but that is its appeal.

[Abyss Crown]

No. Why wold you spend money on an incomplete product? It's hardly different from the released version anyway.

hurr durr were spending money on l4d1 and thats incomplete hurr durr /boycotters

Anyways, I would pay a maximum of $15 for it. It's just something I would like to get my hands on.

[Shrubberyjsc]

Pay for it?

Nawww.


But I might try a few mods that aim to recreate the original experience.

Only surviving 1/4th the time on normal?

Gently caress, yeah!

[Elite]

5 bucks at the very most. Not only would all the survivors look like hoboes but they would also be more immersive. L4D is way too easy right now, wheres my impossible difficulty?

[binge]

Edit:

Yeah, I would
but not more than 10-15 euros

[BlackCat]

I think he means Xbox
Paying with gamer points

I would not pay real money for a beta of l4d2

L4d1 is the beta of l4d2 ^_^

He's talking about the beta of L4D1.. you know... this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2maQeOxhAs)

[Elite]

The feel was definately more realistic back then in the beta days.

Theoretically we could create a mod to mimic the original experience by simply introducing the survival/versus melee cooldown and gun recoil to campaign mode. We would also have to increase the zombie population since it seems ovious that L4D Beta had way bigger hordes.

[Slochk]

i would not pay for it, maby as an easter egg if you get all the achivements or something like that.

[SRXSniper58]

the beta was believed to be verrry hard
with the witch attacking all survivors and invisible hunter.
I WANT IT

[CrAnKeDHigH]

the beta was believed to be verrry hard
with the witch attacking all survivors and invisible hunter.
I WANT IT

You got a serious problem with the witch that you may need to see a therapist about so we can stop hearing about how you think the witch is too easy. Seriously, I think there are many people who are sick of hearing about it.

OT: I would pay to check it out. I dont know how much, but I spend money pretty foolishly on other stuff so I would probably pay $10-15 or so just to check it out. I think playing a mod that makes it a lot harder to play as survivors would give you a nice feel for how it was without having to pay. I really like the concept of making it harder on the survivors. I think the game would be a lot more fun that way.

[Deadly]

Nothing more then $20 but I would. Seems a lot more fun

[Abyss Crown]

You got a serious problem with the witch that you may need to see a therapist about so we can stop hearing about how you think the witch is too easy. Seriously, I think there are many people who are sick of hearing about it.

I'm sick of hearing a lot of opinions, but it's a forum. So cool your jets.

Though the Witch attacking all survivors? Sounds awesome.

[CrAnKeDHigH]

I'm sick of hearing a lot of opinions, but it's a forum. So cool your jets.

Though the Witch attacking all survivors? Sounds awesome.

My jets are cooled and he can have whatever opinion he wants. He just brings it up all the time even in threads that have nothing to do with the witch. Trust me, he needs therapy for it.

[Infest0125]

20 at the most for it. It seemed intense.

[hunterhunter]

only if it recreates the tension I felt when I first played,bought,and played again

[Grieverlionhart]

Paying for a beta is like paying for an empty bottle before walking into the desert.

[SRXSniper58]

My jets are cooled and he can have whatever opinion he wants. He just brings it up all the time even in threads that have nothing to do with the witch. Trust me, he needs therapy for it.
and YOU can stop complaining and let someone else handle it, because only you(and occasionally binge) have been bitching about it, theres no other word for it.
OT: A mod sounds cool, how do you add it on 360 though?
if i HAVE to buy the beta for it, id pay $10-$20, but i wanna see it first

[armored cow]

I would love to play the beta. I assume it would be more fun than the current L4D.

[Bloodshed269]

and YOU can stop complaining and let someone else handle it, because only you(and occasionally binge) have been bitching about it, theres no other word for it.
OT: A mod sounds cool, how do you add it on 360 though?
if i HAVE to buy the beta for it, id pay $10-$20, but i wanna see it first

It wouldn't be a mod.

[Elite]

The only mod that really is necessary is one that slows down the shotgun reloading speed.

[BlackCat]

Yea.. not a mod, the maps were slightly different too, not just the dynamics of the gameplay.

[Altamont]

Didn't I post this exact topic like 2 months ago? I am glad that people agree and have the same views as me.

:)

Its funny you bring this up, because I am on week 4 right now of modding the original no mercy maps in hammer to be as much like the beta maps as possible, from all the videos I have downloaded onto my PC I have over 2 Gigs of high quality beta footage, and its mostly done, I just need to figure out how to get the chopper in the finale to fly about 20 feet higher and have a ladder drop out of it, and have the survivors have to climb up the ladder into the chopper, and I need to find a way to put a minigun onto the chopper aswell, and then all that will be left is to do a full compile on all 5 maps and then build the nav's and it is finished, I would pay 500$ for the beta, I don't care if you say its waste of money, if Mike Booth sent me a reply to my email about the beta saying that it would be a high price, I would pay anything for it, It has always been my opinion that the beta is better that the release, that's my opinion you don't have to agree, but that's my view on the subject right now.

I would kill to get my hands on an early beta...

[Crack5800]

Yes...i would buy it...and BloodShed I KNOW you were waiting for me to respond in this thread....

lol

[Altamont]

This was posted recently on the steam forums, I thought I may as well post it here for you all to see, and reminisce a little bit....My Fortune of Finding is your fortune of Viewing...


"UrbanUnderground" (The Older No mercy name)

the is the old roof top on no mercy.

1024x1024

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/333/urbanunderground.png

I like it better TBH, No mercy used to have a Dark dark Night sky, with a bright moon, I liked it that way, it made L4D seem that much more worth playing

[Bloodshed269]

This was posted recently on the steam forums, I thought I may as well post it here for you all to see, and reminisce a little bit....My Fortune of Finding is your fortune of Viewing...


"UrbanUnderground" (The Older No mercy name)

the is the old roof top on no mercy.

1024x1024

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/333/urbanunderground.png

I like it better TBH, No mercy used to have a Dark dark Night sky, with a bright moon, I liked it that way, it made L4D seem that much more worth playing

Yeah, I remember you saying you would pay $60 for it, too.

[ThoughtThinking]

Yes.
It seemed harder and it looked more scarier.
The new one is noob friendly.

[Altamont]

Hah, I would pay anything for it, but now you've heard that 1 million times, that's off my back, anyway, I am just glad so many people actually want a chance to play L4D how it was Before it got fudged up, I would go as far back as Summer of 2007 Beta's, even though, those older versions are probably more buggy, they would be just as fun, I mean,

boomer vomit being blood? awesome.
Boomed Giving Damage if exploded near survivors? Awesome.
Gun Reloading Animations? Awesome.
Survivor Character Models? Awesome
Smoker Tounge Pull x10 Speed? Awesome
Full Blown Mid Night dark skybox? Awesome
Merit/Demerit System? Awesome

But Again, That's Just My Opinion, heh.

[Frito]

I already did.*

*Just kidding, don't rage

[Elite]

Most of those things are the things that made me want to buy the game. >.<

[armored cow]

Please refer to my post in the "Restore Reload Animations" thread:

The problem is that the game is hard for the wrong reasons.

In the beta it was hard because Smokers dragged faster and could release smoke on will. Boomers' explosions did damage, and Hunters could go invisible. It seemed like there were actually more zombies than there are now (at any given time, and a lot less just standing around). The reload animations were longer.
Oh yeah don't forget the witch killing you instantly with a hit and then continuing to attack the rest of your squad (on every difficulty!)

Sure you can play Expert and it will be hard, but I don't want the game to be hard because zombies do too much damage, I want it to be hard because of fundamentals, the gameplay and the special abilities of the infected. Instead it's only hard because of some number tweakings, and that's why I don't agree with why it's hard.

[Jesus123]

I know the idea of a Left 4 Dead 3 would seem kinda retarded but I know a lot of the people who loved the original or beta version of Left 4 Dead would be kinda happy if they turned to that style. It could take place with the original survivors, be more gritty as survival has turned for the worst and such. I know people are gonna come in here and say, "WELL IT WAS FOR BALANCING!11!!!!", and I shall say not really. Left 4 Dead Beta's epicness is what personally attracted me to the game. This thread is recommended highly for those who joined during/before the transition to our current Left 4 Dead state due to new guys not knowing what I'm speaking of. Or...... Valve could release the original beta files to the public and we could have fun with it , of course it would be only usable with an installed version of Left 4 Dead and optimized for higher end PC's.

Just go ahead and post your feelings on the subject. I personally just felt like throwing this out there as Left 4 Dead doesn't really capture my interest like it originally did.

Here are some old beta version videos.

Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-w5FTKqtE8

Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8PFd1NP1SA

[Skypn1333]

Personally it seems like a waste. To be honest there doesn't seem to be that much difference, besides the graphics.

[frogopus]

$50 for the version we played on the first trip.

[Inspector Jones]

Personally it seems like a waste. To be honest there doesn't seem to be that much difference, besides the graphics.

No offense, but you might not of been following this game from the beginning :D.

[Altamont]

No offense, but you might not of been following this game from the beginning :D.

heh, I have followed it since even before the first game play was out, and after the first trailer was out (sometime between 1/7/07-4/20/07)

I really don't know why it would be such a big problem for valve to release the beta version to the public, I mean, they obviously have tons of beta versions (who would throw them out?), and there are plenty of people who want those older versions, before it got nuked, the more "expert" or "advanced" game play versions, But they probably don't know how many people actually want the old version I guess, since June 29, I have been wanted to send Mike an email about just that, and link to topics like these, with tons of people who want it, but I havent sent it yet, because I was thinking, if they use their time to upload that to steam, then it might be a "waste of time" in their eyes, and would push back the l4d2 release date...

I am going to do it.

You know what they tell ya, "you don't know until you ask"

[Grieverlionhart]

This was the ONE game where I liked the idea of things being gritty. . .

[BlackCat]

I emailed Gabe about a week ago to ask about this actually, no reply yet but I know he gets a lot of email (specially with L4D2 and Crash Course coming soon) so I'm waiting patiently to see what happens lol.

[Skypn1333]

No offense, but you might not of been following this game from the beginning :D.

Yeah, you're right. I didn't hear about the game until about a month before it's release. All I'm saying is how different could it be. From the videos I've seen it's basically the same game.

I'm not trying to argue. If the differences are that great would someone please enlighten me. I'm not afraid to admit defeat.

[Altamont]

I will make a quite short list, not very detailed:


Awards and Demerits System
Realistic Weapon Pick-up/Reload Animations
Smoker Cloud Ability to Damage (without source mod)
Boomer Damage on Exploding in Close Proximity
Smoker Tongue Pull Speed (in beta, it was at least 5x faster)
Survivor Character Models/Clothing (looked way more Apocalyptic in beta, I dislike the change they made, however I can see them changing it to make them each more unique)
No Mercy Taking Place at Night (I don't mean evening as in the release version, I mean the sky being very dark purple or even black in places, 12AM night time).
No Mercy Geography was way different in the beta version, it was setup very different than the final version (Buildings, Lighting, that kind of thing).

There are more, and I can go into more detail with the short list here.

[Skypn1333]

To me, all of these changes seem cosmetic. No changes seem to affect gameplay that drastically. Again, I could be wrong but this is just the way I see it.

[Deadly]

If memory serves, the smoker's cloud didn't do damage, instead, it could be released at will and was much thicker to where you could not see if you were in it. It also restricted voice chat while in the cloud.

Don't forget the hunter could go invisible as well as regenerate health and the witch was pissed off much more easily. Weapon sounds were different too, although I don't mind the ones now. You could also see each others flashlights

[Altamont]

If memory serves, the smoker's cloud didn't do damage, instead, it could be released at will and was much thicker to where you could not see if you were in it. It also restricted voice chat while in the cloud.

Don't forget the hunter could go invisible as well as regenerate health and the witch was pissed off much more easily. Weapon sounds were different too, although I don't mind the ones now. You could also see each others flashlights

Ahhh that's right, I couldn't remember, yeah, I am pretty sure as well that what you said about the smoker is correct.

Another thing the infected could also open doors, and that game mechanic included a button on the keyboard you could hit to lock doors, but since the ability to open doors was taken out, the locking doors was no longer needed and taken out as well, I guess that one thing doesn't really matter much though. heh.

[Deadly]

Less music cues is another thing. There was dynamic music, but only AFTER the horde came, not before.

[Jesus123]

$50 for the version we played on the first trip.

Thank you my good sir. Nothing beats a good ol' fashioned hardcore game.

[Deadly]

This made me want to read through the first preview again...

[Altamont]

This made me want to read through the first preview again...


I downloaded the high quality versions of the two earliest interviews, by GT and 1up, still my favorite game play & interview videos of all:

GT: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/story-and-left-4-dead/24756

1up: http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10873

[Jesus123]

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/turtle_rock_studios_interview/

You have no idea how much irony is in this interview. Does Mike Booth even help out on Left 4 Dead, or did they rape him and steal all of his hard work?

[Deadly]

I downloaded the high quality versions of the two earliest interviews, by GT and 1up, still my favorite game play & interview videos of all:

GT: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/story-and-left-4-dead/24756

1up: http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10873

I was talking about the written previews on the site, but these are good too. I just read through them again and recommend everyone does

[Altamont]

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/turtle_rock_studios_interview/

You have no idea how much irony is in this interview. Does Mike Booth even help out on Left 4 Dead, or did they rape him and steal all of his hard work?

It was his from the beginning, He worked a ton on it, and it was mostly all of his crew at TRS that did the work, besides very few valve folks....

until they become one, then things changed.

[Jesus123]

It was his from the beginning, He worked a ton on it, and it was mostly all of his crew at TRS that did the work, besides very few valve folks....

until they become one, then things changed.

I wasn't saying he didn't put all of his hard work into it, I was just saying that due to the lack of his appearance since the release of Left 4 Dead. All I ever see is Gabe or some other Valve employee which leaves me very disappoint.

[armored cow]

If memory serves, the smoker's cloud didn't do damage, instead, it could be released at will and was much thicker to where you could not see if you were in it. It also restricted voice chat while in the cloud.

Don't forget the hunter could go invisible as well as regenerate health and the witch was pissed off much more easily. Weapon sounds were different too, although I don't mind the ones now. You could also see each others flashlights

The Witch is such a push-over now. If a bullet wizzed by her in like a 5 ft radius she was after you. And if you shone your flashlight on her, even from 20 ft away, she was also after you.

It makes me sad that I can't play that *better* version.

[one of them]

No, I would not.

[Elite]

I think Valve should release a "hardcore" version of L4D to make it exactly like the beta version. They already have all the goddamn animations and codes...

You know release it like all the mods they uploaded to Steam.

I think Valve got scared that casual gamers wouldn't buy L4D since it was so difficult, so they had to dumb down the entire fucking game for retards that stand there and watch you die as you get ripped to shreds by hunter and then ask "Why are you dead?"

[lawlhat]

How you say....

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo357/lawlhat/house-do-want_thumbnail.jpg

[Altamont]

I wasn't saying he didn't put all of his hard work into it, I was just saying that due to the lack of his appearance since the release of Left 4 Dead. All I ever see is Gabe or some other Valve employee which leaves me very disappoint.

Oh Don't worry I know. I have missed Mike, I wish he would do the interviews, but I guess since he is part of valve now, <sarcasm> they absolutely must /sarcasm, use the PR people.

[Altamont]

Sorry for the double post but I feel I need to make this topic active again, okay...so I guess they didn't care to put the old gun cocking anims in L4d, instead taking the easy way out and using the old counter strike anims and then putting those on the weapons in L4d2. now on the topic of the beta, I have not forgot about it, I want it to be released, the version frogopus is talking about, that he played in 2007, any version in 2007, like the one used at the Showdown LAN or quakecon. Since l4d2 is being released soon, I think if you guys want it to be released, we should do something, the only reason I was thinking asking them for it after the sequel is released is because everyone would complain about them "wasting" time (in their opinions) when they should be getting l4d2 ready. But I want it, and it seems many people out there want it.

[Elite]

The pistols in the L4D2 Demo have gun cocking. Another reason to use melee weapons.

Although every other gun doesn't have cocking.

[SickDaza]

Have you emailed anyone about it yet, and BlackCat did you get an email back?

I don't see why Valve wouldn't release the beta on Steam, there is clearly a large market for it, especially by people that have been following it for a long time, granted I am not one of those people but I would still like to play the beta, from the videos I have seen it does look much more apocalyptic and more difficult. And as a result of having a large population of people that want this, Valve could easily make a high profit considering the game would need little work done to be released.

I guess we cross out fingers that after l4d2 is released then Valve will consider releasing this game.

The pistols in the L4D2 Demo have gun cocking. Another reason to use melee weapons.

Although every other gun doesn't have cocking.

Doesn't the SCAR?

[Elite]

Doesn't the SCAR?

Pretty much every gun does have a cocking animation but its the same animation no matter what.

Pistols however have 2 animations, one for reloading when the ammo count is higher than 0 and another where the ammo count is 0.

You should try it some time :D

[Altamont]

Have you emailed anyone about it yet, and BlackCat did you get an email back?

I don't see why Valve wouldn't release the beta on Steam, there is clearly a large market for it, especially by people that have been following it for a long time, granted I am not one of those people but I would still like to play the beta, from the videos I have seen it does look much more apocalyptic and more difficult. And as a result of having a large population of people that want this, Valve could easily make a high profit considering the game would need little work done to be released.

I guess we cross out fingers that after l4d2 is released then Valve will consider releasing this game.



Doesn't the SCAR?

Sick, I emailed mike about it...but that was on like June 29, and he said this...

"
We are all focusing on building Left 4 Dead 2, and don’t have the 2007 Quakecon beta version available or have plans to release that version of the game to the community.

Thanks for your thoughtful feedback, though. I’ll forward your thoughts to the rest of the L4D development team.

Michael Booth
Valve
www.valvesoftware.com (http://www.valvesoftware.com/)"


He is obviously lying to keep himself from getting fired or in trouble with Valve...But that can change...

Yeah pretty much every weapon, with the exception of the Old Sniper which has none at all, On one note its pretty cool that they reimplemented the animations in on most of the weapons in the second game...

BUT

I still feel like its not as good, I am almost positive they either A. Used the animations from Counter Strike, or B. had the Team Fortress team redo the animations, because they clearly are not the same ones from the alpha of L4D.

[Elite]

Whoa! Mike Booth is still alive?!

o_O

They must still have the older builds somewhere in their offices. Its only a matter of time until they decide to take something from them...

[Boojangels]

Left 4 Dead Classic?
Left 4 Dead Deleted Scenes?
Left 4 Dead Director's Cut?

[Elite]

Director's Cut would be the best, hosted as a mod on Steam and I image a lot of people would play it.

Then all the hardcore crowd could play the beta and then everyone else could play L4D2 :)

[Altamont]

Maybe a letter sent directly to Mike Himself would be for fitting, But an email would probably work if I sent the email, and at the bottom of the email had a list of names that are in support of the release of the Turtle Rock Studios Beta, just thinking.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/story-and-left-4-dead/24756

It makes me so sad...

The Finale in No mercy looked sweet, with the ladder and minigun in the chopper escape, and the fact that no mercy took place at night, with street lights and everything, I don't really agree with what valve said on the L4D blog about having the campaign take place at night with street lights, and then the survivors having a hard time finding the correct pathway because everything is lit mostly the same, because there is literally only one pathway to take anyway.... Its a cover up!

[SRXSniper58]

Is it going to have all the things they cut out of original game?
Like Screamer, Boomer just does damage, and witch attacks everyone?

[Altamont]

Is it going to have all the things they cut out of original game?
Like Screamer, Boomer just does damage, and witch attacks everyone?

The screamer was removed even by then, it wasn't in the game when PC Gamer played it at Showdown San Jose in June '07, and by that point the boomer would do damage if it was blown up in a certain area around you, but not explode on you, but it could also vomit on you, and the vomit was red blood back then. Yes, the Witch did attack everyone back then, from what I've seen from videos, There isn't much footage of the witch in videos that old.

[Elite]

Game was so much more immersive back then.

[SRXSniper58]

Just watched some beta vids
I liked how the SMG and Assault Rifle sounded silenced
and the hunting rifle was bad-ass sounding
The hunter never growled as a warning, he was just *BOOM* on you
The smoker smoke was DEFINATELY thicker
The boomer took 40 health outta someone with a explosion WHILE activating his bile effect
no vids with the witch anywhere yet
the beta was GREAT!

[SickDaza]

Maybe a letter sent directly to Mike Himself would be for fitting, But an email would probably work if I sent the email, and at the bottom of the email had a list of names that are in support of the release of the Turtle Rock Studios Beta, just thinking.


Hmm it would be interesting to see what he would say to an email that was based around a large list of people that wanted the beta released. If you do that, definitely put my name down on the list.

[Altamont]

I think all of you who support this, need to check this out:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1027071


Read what I posted, then read what everyone else had to say...

achieving some respect on the steam forums...Possible? Yes :D

[SRXSniper58]

I just wanna go back in the day i first heard of left 4 dead
also to cheer up frog and maybe get squerl to come back
maybe they can add it to l4d1 and maybe l4d2 like someone said, called Classic Mode
Note:I feel l4d is the too easy/arcady game it is today because of whiny playtesters
they got the screamer cut, they cut down the infected's abilities, they said "ITS TOO DARK"
babies

[Bloodshed269]

I just wanna go back in the day i first heard of left 4 dead
also to cheer up frog and maybe get squerl to come back
maybe they can add it to l4d1 and maybe l4d2 like someone said, called Classic Mode
Note:I feel l4d is the too easy/arcady game it is today because of whiny playtesters
they got the screamer cut, they cut down the infected's abilities, they said "ITS TOO DARK"
babies

Where the hell did that come from? Felt like ranting?

[SRXSniper58]

Where the hell did that come from? Felt like ranting?
Just had to let off some steam,but wherever i read that something got cut, it's because playtesters said that it was too hard
didnt seem bad to me

[Bloodshed269]

Just had to let off some steam,but wherever i read that something got cut, it's because playtesters said that it was too hard
didnt seem bad to me

You didn't play it.

[SRXSniper58]

You didn't play it.
ah, but i saw the videos
good enough for me
besides, i rarely play a game before buying it
friends wont share and cant make it to conventions like PAX
usually, watching the video then buying it is good results for me, and that video looked good

[Bloodshed269]

Videos can glorify games. Hell, I thought Too Human looked good, until I played it.

[Sweasse09]

depends on what drug it was.

i would have been the first one in line for the governments LSD testing back in the day. ;

[Easton Dark]

Lolwut

[Bloodshed269]

depends on what drug it was.

i would have been the first one in line for the governments LSD testing back in the day. ;

Way to fail!

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

I would, definatly. But I wouldn't pay more then 800 Microsoft Points for it.

[SRXSniper58]

depends on what drug it was.

i would have been the first one in line for the governments LSD testing back in the day. ;
translate please? Someone?

[Crack5800]

AHEM...

"I have no idea what I'm talking about"

"I definitely think this is cool to type because it's about drugs and the government so it must be funny"


That's my guess interpretation....

[Easton Dark]

I assume they got smarter with the bots, and make it gain peoples trust first before launching the link attacks of malware origin.

This one failed hard.

[SRXSniper58]

AHEM...

"I have no idea what I'm talking about"

"I definitely think this is cool to type because it's about drugs and the government so it must be funny"


That's my guess interpretation....
thanks you, now i can respond

to him

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU RANTING ABOUT!?!?

[The_Hunter]

Would I?

Hell yes!

[ThoughtThinking]

Epic Derail of thread is epic.


Anywho i mostly liked the old graphics it looked like a movie and i loved that!

[SRXSniper58]

I liked the weap sounds
silenced weapons are best ya know :D

[Elite]

What? WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT SILENCED WEAPONS ARE THE BEST?

In a real apocalypse there will always be some faggot firing without a silencer. That and the fact that silencers slow bullets down, lowering their stopping power and range.

[SRXSniper58]

What? WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT SILENCED WEAPONS ARE THE BEST?

In a real apocalypse there will always be some faggot firing without a silencer. That and the fact that silencers slow bullets down, lowering their stopping power and range.
and in a real apocalypse you want zombies TO NOT HEAR YOU!

[Elite]

THEY CAN SMELL YOUR FEAR!! Mwhaahahah

EDIT: oh dude imagine this, a desert eagle with a silencer on it XD

[SRXSniper58]

THEY CAN SMELL YOUR FEAR!! Mwhaahahah


Where'd you pull that from?

[Elite]

I made it up :o


According to popular belief, zombies can sense you no matter what. Well unless they're dead. :p

[Altamont]

I got a reply, oh well I guess we will never get what we want, we tried all we could...it makes me very angry...

"
Thanks for your unwavering support of L4D. As for the “2007 beta” version of L4D – it is just not practical to resurrect that version of the game at this point. A lot of work went into making L4D shippable and playable in 2008.

Michael Booth
Valve
www.valvesoftware.com" (http://www.valvesoftware.com/)

[Elite]

Well its okay now since we're going to get actual mod making support and the old survivors.
We can add back all the old stuff like gun cocking seeing as how Pistols already do it. Its just a matter of copying a script and making the new animations.

[SRXSniper58]

Well its okay now since we're going to get actual mod making support and the old survivors.
We can add back all the old stuff like gun cocking seeing as how Pistols already do it. Its just a matter of copying a script and making the new animations.
what about the harder difficulty of dealing with the beta infected, and the darkness, weap sounds and all the other stuff?

[Elite]

That can be added by modders? The darkness would be map related. Weapon sounds can be replaced. We already have the difficulty.

[Apex_]

That can be added by modders? The darkness would be map related. Weapon sounds can be replaced. We already have the difficulty.

Sound yes, models not so much. Except if you mod a server and everyone on the server has the exact same files, that would work but be a ton of effort for everyone to do.

Interestingly the lighting settings in the map can, to a certain degree, be changed using a plugin. There's a great plugin for TF2 which lets server owners change map ambiance to certain "themes" like night, morning, dusk, rainy, and various others. I could see this working just fine in L4D.

Slightly off topic: suppressed weapons don't do you any good if you don't use subsonic ammunition. Good luck finding a large supply of that during the apocalypse! :P

[Elite]

Won't Models be in the vpk in L4D2's mods?

You could just download them. :o

[SRXSniper58]

Won't Models be in the vpk in L4D2's mods?

You could just download them. :o
you mean if you are a Pc owner,
i'm not, so I GET NOTHING
I LOSE

[Elite]

You might get community maps as DLC. Time will tell. :D

[Easton Dark]

You might get community maps as DLC. Time will tell. :D

Did that ever get through with l4d 1? I heard something about it awhile ago, then nothing.

[Elite]

Who knows? :p

Maybe if mappers release such a good map that they might port over.

[Apex_]

Won't Models be in the vpk in L4D2's mods?

You could just download them. :o

No I mean if you try to replace weapon models or player models and play online they won't work. Weapon models vanish and cause several other glitches, and if I remember right the same thing happens to player models.

I suppose best-case you can get 4 or 8 players to all download a giant VPK with beta content, and play on a server with the exact same content and whatever other mods would be necessary. Possible but it's a stretch :)

[Altamont]

Well its okay now since we're going to get actual mod making support and the old survivors.



1. Maybe
2. umm no we aren't, if you mean l4d2 than that's totally diff. :confused:

[PuRe Assasinz]

Hell yeah i would.. it seemed to have a darker feel to it and looked like the zombies were double in hords..

I might pay at least 20 for it

[gaTes]

I may be a tad late to this tread, but I would sure as hell pay for the beta of Left 4 Dead. That was the game I wanted to play. Seeing those trailers, interviews, and all the gameplay just sold that game to me. I was (am still am) hooked to that game. You guys are right, there is a hugh market for the Left 4 Dead beta, I don't know why Valve doesn't see that. (Or they do, they just don't want to release that version for some reason.)

I cannot believe Valve hasn't even released the beta survivor models! I mean, come on! At least give us that!

[nerVe]

Mr. Hugh Tread made an appearance.

[mattsu]

i would pay 50$ bucks for this from the videos it looks alot beetter than the version we have know also does anyone have any vids of blood harvest dead air or death toll beta?

[wishiwascool]

i would pay a certain amount up to around 20 dollars. obviously i wouldn't expect anything more than the 4 original campaigns and hopefully a map editor/mod tools.

[Bloodshed269]

i would pay a certain amount up to around 20 dollars. obviously i wouldn't expect anything more than the 4 original campaigns and hopefully a map editor/mod tools.

So, Left 4 Dead?