Ugradeable Weapons in LEFT4DEAD 2?

[Pie Titan]

http://i28.tinypic.com/osbedc.png

you be the judge. Also, the gun looks like a magnum to me.

UPDATEhttp://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Pistol

In Left 4 Dead 2, there will be at least three different pistols—Glock 17, SIG Sauer P220 and Desert Eagle. They can be combined in any way when wielding double pistols. Desert Eagle appears to be a T2 pistol, but it is not clear. Also, in the video where it appeared(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwMrMRrW6Q&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwMrMRrW6Q&feature=channel)) there is a tooltip saying that "Laser Sight Upgrade Available", which means that there is a laster sight available for Desert Eagle, or for every pistol or weapon.

In one of the footage videos of the Left 4 Dead 2 beta, it has been seen that one of the pistols fires as an automatic weapon. It is unknown if it is the submachine gun that has the full-auto capability or a pistol.

Currently, the pistols are replaced by a melee weapon when one is picked up. When a Survivor goes down with a melee weapon, they draw at least one pistol as usual, but it is unknown if another pistol must otherwise be picked up or if the melee weapon can be dropped freely still.]

So, Yes, it is a magnum.

These Lazer Upgrades ONLY ARE FOR THE PISTOLS/Magnums

[Unspoken Damnation]

Huh. Interesting. As long as upgrades dont get to crazy, this could be pretty cool.

[Kenny]

Seems interesting, but that doesn't look like a magnum. Looks like the same gun in the Jockey screenshot.

[Frito]

Looks like a Desert Eagle to me.

[Mutte]

Oh Mah Gawd, Laser Sight Upgrade Available :O

[Crack5800]

Looks like it says...Laser Sight Upgrade Available

[blah]

Better Accuracy. I really like valve now, I hope they go crazy with weapon upgrades.

[Crack5800]

Better Accuracy. I really like valve now, I hope they go crazy with weapon upgrades.

No no no...i want to just play L4D2 and survive the zombie apocalypse. Not worry with RPG upgrade elements the whole time...-_-

[Bloodshed269]

No no no...i want to just play L4D and survive the zombie apocalypse. Not worry with RPG upgrade elements the whole time...-_-

Don't worry about Crack guys, he just hates everything. Anyway, looks like a DEagle to me.

[Easton Dark]

No no no...i want to just play L4D 2 and survive the zombie apocalypse. Not worry with RPG upgrade elements the whole time...-_-

Get l4d on PC, play a modded server where weapon upgrades are available, and tell me it doesn't make it 10x more fun.

[Frito]

Better Accuracy. I really like valve now, I hope they go crazy with weapon upgrades.

Shit, I didn't even pay attention to the circle. XD

[Drjanitor]

Looks like the upgrades they originally had in Left4Dead 1, will now be implemented in Left4Dead 2!

[Deadly]

Looks like the upgrades they originally had in Left4Dead 1, will now be implemented in Left4Dead 2!

They didn't have upgrades in left 4 dead...Anyway, like I said, Left 4 Dead 2: Arcade Survival. Costs $.25 for one credit

[Gutspill]

Mixed feelings about this... As long as they don't go much farther beyond laser pointers I guess it would be fine...

But jeez, I kinda want to keep things simple like good old normal Left 4 Dead.

[Crack5800]

Mixed feelings about this... As long as they don't go much farther beyond laser pointers I guess it would be fine...

But jeez, I kinda want to keep things simple like good old normal Left 4 Dead.

What I'm saying...I don't see the need for upgrades...there not needed in this type of game...

[DaSciz]

What I'm saying...I don't see the need for upgrades...there not needed in this type of game...

Upgrades make the game more fun. Hollow point bullets and boomer goggles ftw.

[BlackCat]

Upgrades in L4D2... wtf? I don't see how it would fit in this game, they are going way too far if they do that. =/

[Crack5800]

Upgrades in L4D2... wtf? I don't see how it would fit in this game, they are going way too far if they do that. =/

Your preaching to the choir.....a choir that isn't thinking how this if implemented this going to really going to make things different and in my opinion more complicated.

I'm not saying I don't like upgrading elements...but not in this game...

[BlackCat]

Your preaching to the choir.....a choir that isn't thinking how this if implemented is going to really going to make things different and in my opinion more complicated.

I'm not saying I don't like upgrading elements...but not in this game...

Its not like they haven't already complicated the whole thing enough... like I said in another thread, it seems like they are just throwing shit at it to see what sticks at this point. They're already taking it to the point of "too far", but with weapon upgrades they'll be crossing that line. Weapon upgrades = dumb idea for a L4D game.

[Bloodshed269]

What I'm saying...I don't see the need for upgrades...there not needed in this type of game...

ahem, THEN DON'T USE THEM!

[Crack5800]

ahem, THEN DON'T USE THEM!

Okay then...what if there are other upgrades...expect me to NOT USE THEM??? I DO BELIEVE I CAN VOICE MY OPINIONS OF THIS ON THIS THREAD BLOODSHED SO GTFO AND STFU!!!

[Pie Titan]

UPDATE INFORMATION.

Some of you may be happy with this.

[7oXic]

Okay then...what if there are other upgrades...expect me to NOT USE THEM??? I DO BELIEVE I CAN VOICE MY OPINIONS OF THIS ON THIS THREAD BLOODSHED SO GTFO AND STFU!!!

Expressing your opinion is fine, but it seems every time a new piece of info is added theres SOMETHING wrong with it. Have you played it? Have you tested it's balance and found it doesn't fit in l4d?

On another note, what does arcade even mean? Why is every addon mentioned compared to this word? I would have figured if anything the original L4D was "arcady" because of its simplicity, and even the original had some deeper tactics you could get involved in if you wanted. I see no reason an optional attachment should be such a big deal, what exactly is a red dot that replaces a cross hair ruining in the original engines tactics?

EDIT: And yes, the gun is a desert eagle: http://i27.tinypic.com/sc8514.jpg

[Crack5800]

Expressing your opinion is fine, but it seems every time a new piece of info is added theres SOMETHING wrong with it. Have you played it? Have you tested it's balance and found it doesn't fit in l4d?

On another note, what does arcade even mean? Why is every addon mentioned compared to this word? I would have figured if anything the original L4D was "arcady" because of its simplicity, and even the original had some deeper tactics you could get involved in if you wanted. I see no reason an optional attachment should be such a big deal, what exactly is a red dot that replaces a cross hair ruining in the original engines tactics?

EDIT: And yes, the gun is a desert eagle: http://i27.tinypic.com/sc8514.jpg

Oh I'm sorry...I've bashed the Jockey, the newly released melee weapons and EVERYTHING ELSE....Oh wait...that's right I haven't....

I've strongly opposed explosive rounds, adrenaline, and i'm not liking the upgrade system IF IMPLEMENTED in the game....

might want to go back and read some before you say I've been hating on EVERYTHING because I haven't.....

[Icy Lemon]

Gotta say I'm with Crack and BlackCat on this one. I dont really like the idea of weapon upgrades. But who knows, Valve might get me to change my mind. As long as they keep the upgrades to a minimum.

[Pie Titan]

*sigh*

TO avoid this fight, I'll renterate that the upgrades are ONLY FOR PISTOL WEAPONS/ MAGNUMS.

I like it, but I'm really only against Incin and Explosive ammo.

[Crack5800]

*sigh*

TO avoid this fight, I'll renterate that the upgrades are ONLY FOR PISTOL WEAPONS/ MAGNUMS.

I like it, but I'm really only against Incin and Explosive ammo.

Now that I've read the newly updated info Pie has posted I'm not so against it, a lazer is find...but adding Damage + and Accuracy + and all that stuff...it's not needed. However I am against overall weapon upgrades, (not just pistols)

And yes...I know how you feel on Incin and Explosive ammo.....

[DaSciz]

Now that I've read the newly updated info Pie has posted I'm not so against it, a lazer is find...but adding Damage + and Accuracy + and all that stuff...it's not needed. However I am against overall weapon upgrades, (not just pistols)

And yes...I know how you feel on Incin and Explosive ammo.....

I don't get.... people like you.... who talk like this.............................

Anyway, I'll be disappointed if upgrades are pistols only. A Laser sight Scar would be neat.

[7oXic]

Oh I'm sorry...I've bashed the Jockey, the newly released melee weapons and EVERYTHING ELSE....Oh wait...that's right I haven't....

I've strongly opposed explosive rounds, adrenaline, and i'm not liking the upgrade system IF IMPLEMENTED in the game....

might want to go back and read some before you say I've been hating on EVERYTHING because I haven't.....

I quoted you, but I did not address you personally, just that general attitude towards the upgrades.

I"ll even admit I'm not psyched about incendiary ammo (or katana :p), but I'm not gonna start a huge bitchfit over it either, I'll just ignore it. The game NEEDS things like this in order to justify itself as a sequel, and no one has the right to say addon x will ruin aspect y unless they either have tested it personally or have PROOF of it changing the game in a negative way. Easton even had a bunch of fun in a server with mods like this, granted they aren't the same, but still.

I still see NO reason why a little peripheral that likely does nothing more than "look cool" ruins any aspect, or makes the game more arcade like.

[Crack5800]

I don't get.... people like you.... who talk like this.............................

Anyway, I'll be disappointed if upgrades are pistols only. A Laser sight Scar would be neat.

Continue???

[Drjanitor]

Overall, I could care less if they did throw in upgrades or not. I just want to see a new pistol thrown into the mix to make things interesting. I think that upon game release
(If there are upgrades), there should be an option upon looking/starting for lobby:
"Upgrades ON?, Upgrades OFF?"
Of course in versus the upgrades are probably disdained by most of TGP(The General Public)
, but in campaign and survival modes, I sure as hell wouldn't mind seeing that type of stuff.

[Easton Dark]

Easton even had a bunch of fun in a server with mods like this, granted they aren't the same, but still.


Awwwwwww, you remembered :)

Yes, I did, to make the answer short.

and I approve of laser sights in any game.

They replace the crosshair and make it seem less like a game, and more like you're looking through the eyes of the person.

[Elite]

What the heck is so bad about upgrades? Its a way to make pistols more useful >.>

And L4D is already arcady so throwing shit at it to make it more of a sequel is a good thing because L4D lacks a lot of variety. Look at COD4, why do people still play team death match over and over again? Because of the variety, everybody usually uses different guns in different ways especially since weapon attachments can make each gun fill at least 3 different roles.

[Drjanitor]

What the heck is so bad about upgrades? Its a way to make pistols more useful >.>

And L4D is already arcady so throwing shit at it to make it more of a sequel is a good thing because L4D lacks a lot of variety. Look at COD4, why do people still play team death match over and over again? Because of the variety, everybody usually uses different guns in different ways especially since weapon attachments can make each gun fill at least 3 different roles.

I don't think people are that angry about upgrades, I think they are angry at the possibility of those upgrades being in Versus. Thus "Owning" the infected side with two DEagles and laser sights, with drum magazines (LoL, just kiddin').

[Elite]

I don't play versus very much so I don't care :)

I thought L4D was about imbalance where you are hopelessly outnumbered. Right now it seems like its the other way around...

[7oXic]

I don't think people are that angry about upgrades, I think they are angry at the possibility of those upgrades being in Versus. Thus "Owning" the infected side with two DEagles and laser sights, with drum magazines (LoL, just kiddin').

They won't be unbalanced even if they were in verses though. So far the only "upgrade" we know of is a laser sight, which doesn't affect gameplay at all.

IF any upgrades that DO are implemented, they will obviously have drawbacks similar to the different guns & melee weapons etc, and if Valve knows anything about making games(ahem), they can balance these upgrades & drawbacks.

Oh and Drjanitor, it's been said that you can only carry 1 magnum at a time, idk if that's changed tho :p

[Elite]

I don't think anybody could dual wield magnums, unless they want broken wrists!

I'm probably going to use the magnum with my hunting rifle all time.

[alex]

So now that we know there are going to be attachable upgrades, What kind of upgrades do you guys think were gonna see?

[7oXic]

So now that we know there are going to be attachable upgrades, What kind of upgrades do you guys think were gonna see?

Maybeh this?

http://i28.tinypic.com/10mvpll.jpg

On a more serious note, maybe a silencer that just silences your gun, or something else basically all "aesthetic". They may have things like larger magazines though, who knows.

[TidalSpiral]

Mixed feelings about this... As long as they don't go much farther beyond laser pointers I guess it would be fine...

But jeez, I kinda want to keep things simple like good old normal Left 4 Dead.

There is a solution to this problem of new elements popping up left and right...

It's called Left 4 Dead.

[Easton Dark]

It's called Left 4 Dead.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/eliascable/ba_dum_tsh.jpg

[triggerman]

sweet a laser sight. that was easily the coolest upgrade that was in l4d 1.

[Deadly]

I thought L4D was about imbalance where you are hopelessly outnumbered. Right now it seems like its the other way around...

EXACTLY! It should be a miracle if the survivors make it, not a miracle if they die. The reason why I keep calling left 4 dead 2 an arcade version is simply because that's what it reminds me of. Going into an arcade and playing one of those games like Metal Slug (I think that's what it's called) killing tons of people then finding a powerup that makes people explode when shot or catch on fire just to anti-climatically get to the end.

[SRXSniper58]

my only prob now is that melee weap can replace pistols
what happens when you down?
you magically get a pistol like in Nazi Zombies?

[7oXic]

I thought L4D was about imbalance where you are hopelessly outnumbered. Right now it seems like its the other way around...

Except that even if you were hopelessly outnumbered, survivors still won way to easily. It needs to be much harder for survivors IMO, winning as them would feel much more satisfying.

my only prob now is that melee weap can replace pistols
what happens when you down?
you magically get a pistol like in Nazi Zombies?

And this, I liked the old way better. But there will probably be something to do while you're downed with melee, so who knows, it could work better.

[SRXSniper58]

I like the crap beaten outta me in a game at least half the time, thats why i make so many infected OP(IN CAMPAIGN, YOU VERSUS WHINERS) suggestions

[Elite]

I want infected to actually come from behind. That would make Expert somewhat hard.

[ScoobySnax]

I want infected to actually come from behind. That would make Expert somewhat hard.

They don't? I always have one bastard straggler beating me in the back as I run from a Tank and whatnot...

[Drjanitor]

I want infected to actually come from behind. That would make Expert somewhat hard.

Based on what I heard my friend, the infected will come from all sides.
(well, if there are walled off sections, then most sides, you get the idea.)
And besides, with the Dynamic map changes of A.I Director 2.0, nothing will be the same.
(I hope, cause the linear No Mercy maps are quite boring nowadays.)

[Elite]

The maps in L4D2 seem a lot more open.

[7oXic]

The maps in L4D2 seem a lot more open.

That, and the fact that they have randomly interchanging segments makes them even cooler :)

I especially cant wait for the swamp level, all those rickety bridges + the jocky = scary as hell :D

[Elite]

And the dead paratroopers and their epic supplies.

[Lunatic Brandon]

Are you kidding me? A desert eagle. That just ruins the game.

[Easton Dark]

Aesthetic upgrades are usually good.

(Except in Team Fortress 2, fucking hats are tearing the communities apart)

but that wouldn't happen in L4D since there is no unlock system, but lets say that there's one laser sight in a map, and you take it, and the guy who wanted it will be mad you took it, take it one step to far, and if he's an admin you're banned.

Really, upgrades usually bring grief to online games.

I'd think there'd be unlimited pick-ups of some upgrades, like there are of guns though, so that problem may not exist.



If Valve calls these new upgrades though, I'll be pissed, there's already laser sights on modded servers.

[7oXic]

Are you kidding me? A desert eagle. That just ruins the game.

Explain?

[Pie Titan]

Are you kidding me? A desert eagle. That just ruins the game.


Guys, he's right. The game has been totally ruined because of the desert eagle.

It wasn't the new ammo, it wasn't the fact that pistols can be upgraded, it wasn't the Jocky that people bitched and moaned about before they knew what it actually did, it wasn't that a baseball bat can decapitate someone.

No, None of this, It was the addition of the Desert Eagle.
Cause we all know that if the military evacuated an area, they sure as hell wouldn't have a desert eagle.:)

[DaSciz]

Guys, he's right. The game has been totally ruined because of the desert eagle.

It wasn't the new ammo, it wasn't the fact that pistols can be upgraded, it wasn't the Jocky that people bitched and moaned about before they knew what it actually did, it wasn't that a baseball bat can decapitate someone.

No, None of this, It was the addition of the Desert Eagle.
Cause we all know that if the military evacuated an area, they sure as hell wouldn't have a desert eagle.:)

I know exactly what the jockey does, and it's still a shitty idea.

[The_Hunter]

Guys, he's right. The game has been totally ruined because of the desert eagle.

It wasn't the new ammo, it wasn't the fact that pistols can be upgraded, it wasn't the Jocky that people bitched and moaned about before they knew what it actually did, it wasn't that a baseball bat can decapitate someone.

No, None of this, It was the addition of the Desert Eagle.
Cause we all know that if the military evacuated an area, they sure as hell wouldn't have a desert eagle.:)
They wouldn't.
In real life, the D'Eagle is very in-accurate, has tonnes of recoil, a very loud firing noise, slow reload time and a small clip.
It actually sucks.

[Elite]

Yep it does even though it is used in every god damn movie and video game.

In the end, the 9mils are the best because of their large clips...
Even though they are depicted as SHITTY and USELESS in both video games and movies.

A bullet is a bullet...

[seaniepoo]

Realism<Gameplay

I like DeEagles, and I think one would make an awesome addition to the game. I don't care if they are inefficient in real life, they are badass in fiction.

[Elite]

You guys do know the DEagle is really an experimental weapon?

[seaniepoo]

No idea, and it doesn't matter to me.

[Lunatic Brandon]

Guys, he's right. The game has been totally ruined because of the desert eagle.

It wasn't the new ammo, it wasn't the fact that pistols can be upgraded, it wasn't the Jocky that people bitched and moaned about before they knew what it actually did, it wasn't that a baseball bat can decapitate someone.

No, None of this, It was the addition of the Desert Eagle.
Cause we all know that if the military evacuated an area, they sure as hell wouldn't have a desert eagle.:)

Military using Deagles? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[The_Hunter]

I wouldn't say experimental, it's mostly a big game hunting pistol. Yes, you may find one in Louisiana, but it's not going to the military's, it's going to be some civilian's.

[Etheallmighty]

I didn't' read every post because I didn't feel like it, but I can confirm that the laser sights are for more than just pistols. I saw a scar laser sight earlier today at PAX

[Pie Titan]

Well, Shows how much I know about the Military's Arsenal as I just got the Nub Hat for the day.

Still, the claim that the game is ruined because of a single weapon is a little bit outragous.

And Yeah, The Handgun is popular down here, I can name 6 people who own one off the top of my head and it's mainly for show and for shooting ranges..... we don't have much to do down here.

[The_Hunter]

Heh, least you get gets in America, here in Britain it's a hell of a lot tighter.

[Zorgy]

Oh god upgrades, argh. L4d is about moving, having to stop in the middle of the map and chose your upgrades would just suck.

[Keptron]

It looks like a Desert Eagle in the photo for me


Oh god upgrades, argh. L4d is about moving, having to stop in the middle of the map and chose your upgrades would just suck.
And Infected Team will love it :D


Edit:
There is a magnum in L4D2 if you look in this interview: http://www.nomoregameblogs.com/main/updated-pax-09-exclusive-interview-with-chet-faliszek-of-val.html ( which was posted in the forum )

Quote from the interview:
"In guns we’re also unveiling the magnum which is a single pistol, you can’t dual wield it, it’s too powerful."

[Bloodshed269]

Oh god upgrades, argh. L4d is about moving, having to stop in the middle of the map and chose your upgrades would just suck.

Don't grab them then

[SazzRazamatazz]

I don't know if this has been posted before, and I apologize if it has been, but here is some footage I found of the laser sight being used. It's brief, but it's something. There's also some Jockey mayhem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Uuxn0pRKE

[SRXSniper58]

NICE FIND!
/caps