More dual weapons, please

[Pain]

Could anyone give me a real good reason why there shouldn't be more dual weapons than just the 1911 pistols?

Because to me, it just seems like such a shame not to have more dual weapons.. :/

If the devs ever add more pistols to the game, I would like to see the ability to dual wield those guns too and not just the 1911.

And how about those UZI's? Shouldn't you be able to dual wield the uzis too?

As it is right now, I can imagine EVERYONE picking up a uzi in the beginning of the game, but as soon as you spot the M16 you will drop that uzi without hesitation. But having the ability to have two uzis, I think, will even it out. suddenly you would have people playing with dual uzis rather with a M16.

In my most humble and honest opinion, I think this would only further balance the weapons, making sure that no weapons is really preferred more then the other.

That was all for me, thanks for reading. hope you liked it.

[Kazary]

i like this idea, but as the downside, i think accuracy, like kick back from teh weapon should show more then just holding 1 uzi with two hands, Cuz its like 30 x 2 clips, bit of hellish reloading times, and less accuracy, to balance it out for the ammount of ammo you get. So its all balanced out, but i don't mean accuracy REALLY goes in the ass and you're firing is worse then a shot gun!

I really like this idea, since it kinda gives off the impression more weapons are availible for us to play around with! :3 and obviously ammo would run out faster, since you're holding two weapons if you needlessly spray, so thats another balancing issue and stuff.

i hope TRS think abotu this idea! :3

[hooray for zombies]

I think you're supposed to ditch the first tier weapons for their superior counterparts as soon as possible, possibly to give a sense of progression.

[Jim_Riley]

Well, I'd look forward to more pistols and, since the devs have said they're thinking about adding more weapons, dual wield should be an option :D

[gorgoth]

Yeah I'd take dual Uzi's over an M16 most of the time. Sounds good, and out of all our current weapons, Uzi's are really the only dualable guns. Maybe they'd be nice and give us more SMG's, as that is what I think the next guns they make will be. Dual P90's? Yea.

[Kenny]

Actually, I'd rather not have any other dual weapons. Since when can a civilian handle two fully automatic weapons at the same time? I just think it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. I'd rather just stick with the dual pistols.. very good idea though.

[gorgoth]

Well Bill was in Vietnam... and of course the military issued dual uzi's in 'nam, so Bill could do it? And since when has reality meant anything in a game where you're running around with things like the boomer chasing you? If this was reality, Bill'd be the only one proficient with guns.

[Kazary]

*tries to hold two weapons at the same time*
OMFG I DON'T UNDERSTAND USING TWO WEAPONS! WHAT DO I DO??!! OMFG THIS IS SO CONFUSING! THERES.. TWO GUNS!!!!!!! OMFG WTF!!!?? IN EACH HAND!!!

xD i think any civilian would try to handle two guns if they could, hence why the survivors can use two pistols. Once they try to handle autos it now means they have no comprehension of what to do? i think really, only reloading would proove a problem for most people, like a p90, it takes some time to fully understand whats going on there, as the ammo clip is held at the top of the gun and requires a certain way to eject and place a new clip. Obviously once you understand its easy, but anyway. i think duel uzis is fine in my honest opinion, and we're all entitled to it. But i'm gonna fight for my view! :D

[gorgoth]

As I said, dual Uzi's is pretty much all they could/should do. I only said dual P90's because that's awesome, even if it doesn't fit in.

[USS_Stud]

Then we should have dual gatling guns... right?
...

[Kazary]

i just meant that there should be the downfall of accuracy and reloading times to the duel uzis to balance them. they arn't gonna be as accurate as 1 uzi or anywhere near the m16, it is a m16 right? its a m something xD

yes we should have dual gatling guns also!!!!!!!!!!!! DUEL M134 VULCAN MINIGUN FTW!!!! /sarc

[The One]

Then we should have dual gatling guns... right?
lol thats exactly what I was saying.

Reality isnt a thing on it thats true, but thats what makes it what it is.
What, are you saying that infected should fly around with glitter coming our of their asses?
Reality is what makes it fun, sure an infected boomer isnt real, but the way the game plays has to be real in order to make it an intense and fun game.

[dontleave]

Then we should have dual gatling guns... right?

And dual shoulder mounted rocket pods.

Seriously, dual uzi's can work. It worked marvelously in Sven Coop.

[gorgoth]

I think I need dual 50 cal sniper rifles. That or a flamethrower.

[USS_Stud]

I think I need dual 50 cal sniper rifles.
Omfg I LOLd so hard.

[frogopus]

As it is right now, I can imagine EVERYONE picking up a uzi in the beginning of the game, but as soon as you spot the M16 you will drop that uzi without hesitation. But having the ability to have two uzis, I think, will even it out. suddenly you would have people playing with dual uzis rather with a M16.

You are supposed to ditch the first tier weapons for the second. I doubt this is what you meant, but plenty will be picking up the pump shotgun first tier as well.

I'd like to see more dual pistols, maybe even a second tier pistol.

[Pain]

Yes, I know that you are "supposed to" ditch the pump action shotgun for the semi-automatic shotgun and the uzi for the m16 (or even the mini-14).

But, I'm telling you this, I can (and have already) see(n) people playing and completly ignored this "rule" of the game, or whatever you want to call it. why? becuase it simply just isn't working as it is supposed to, or at least not entirely. so why not take it out of the picture completely?

Not that I am saying that the M16, the M4 Super 90 and the Mini-14 should be available to the survivors right at the start of the game along the side of the uzi and the pump action shotgun. No that's not what I saying, just that you take out the whole "suppose to" "upgrade" out of the picture and simply refries it to: You start with some weapons, later on - you find other weapons.

no "suppose to", just some different weapons you chose to play with.


I mean, as I've seen it, the pump action comes out as the winner of shotguns, and not only in L4D but also in CS and CS:S. I know that the semi-automatic is "supposed to" be better, and "supposed to be a form of an upgrade", but it simply is not.

The fact that they made it a semi-automatic also automatically ment that it didn't have quite as large magazine capacity as the pump shotgun. It also ment that the semi-automatic had a larger recoil than the pump shotgun, making it a real mess to aim and hit with when used. Also, since it's semi-automatic and you can unload the hole "magazine" in just a matter of seconds, they also made it a lot weaker compared to the pump action shotgun, in terms of damage dealt per shot.

So!......

yeah, what more can I say.....?

..I have an experiment for you to try out. load up CS:S if you have it. create a server (any map will do, I suppose) and put 20 bots limited to only knifes on the opposite team. Play a couple of rounds with the pump shotgun, then a couple of rounds with the semi-automatic. You will see what I'm talking about.

(Although, I could be completely wrong. I don't personally know if they've made the two different shotguns exactly the same as in CS:S. maybe in L4D the M4 Super 90 REALLY is a "bigger and better" weapon, I personally don't know. But the fact that I've seen videos of gameplay where it clearly shows the survivors has reached and are inside of the hospital and still is using the pump action shotgun talks for it self. I mean, the persons playing had a lot of different opportunities to switch to the auto-shoty. yet, he somehow didn't or did, but then switched back to the pump action when finding out that the semi-auto was no better. so yeah..)

[Dead Fish]

And dual shoulder mounted rocket pods.

Like Duke Nukem? :P

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7538/imagesue1.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7538/imagesue1.jpg)

Yes, this is a dual, shoulder mounted rpg PLUS a jet pack. :) So Left 4 Dead can have it too!

j/k

[USS_Stud]

Like I said, Uzi and dualies forever. Uzi because they don't have a TMP.

[hooray for zombies]

Well Pain, I wasn't aware that you had such extensive play-testing experience. Please illuminate us with more of your in depth knowledge.


Also as a counterpoint: There is a video in which someone dies (3rd time down, needs to be rescued from the closet) and then pick's up an uzi (which is all that is available). Now, watching this video, you see that everyone else on his team is doing alot more damage than he is. This really illustrates the gap between first and second tier weapons.

[frogopus]

Fortunately the auto shotgun is not like the one in CSS. In my experience anyone who tries to stick with the pump shottie is going to be vote kicked out of the server so that the AI can take over :P

Trust me, when you get your hands on the game you'll see what I'm talking about. Since an infected is going to go down in one shotgun shell as it is, the auto offers an improved rate of fire without detracting from the damage. This means that when you're overrun by zombies, you have the option to quickly unload your shells into the horde.

I really love how the tier split feels, because I get that "Hey now I get to rip through some serious zombies with this gun" feeling just as the difficulty starts to kick up and before I meet an onslaught of bosses in the finale. Its an intentional design decision and one that felt more interesting to me than just more gun options.

[USS_Stud]

Damage isn't a factor for me, just accuracy.
2 words...














BOOM HEADSHOT!

[frogopus]

BOOM HEADSHOT!


Don't need the headshot with the shotgun on these guys its more like BOOM THREE JUST FELL OVER.

[darksora2323]

Pain no offense dude, But you have wayyy to much time on your hands typing up those fat ass paragraphs.
Maybe you are thinking too hard.

[USS_Stud]

Don't need the headshot with the shotgun on these guys its more like BOOM THREE JUST FELL OVER.

Good, that guy can watch my back.

[Pain]

Fortunately the auto shotgun is not like the one in CSS.

That's all I needed to hear, thank you frogopus you've made my day ^^ I was actually hopping it wasn't like the CS:S shotgun and now you've confirmed that, again, thank you. that's one thing less to worry about :)

But then, the dual uzi argument remains.... hmm..... *thinks for a while*

Well, the best argument that I can come up with is the dual pistols. I mean, take that as an example.

There is no other pistols in the game then the 1911 at this point. So you can't replace it with a different, more powerful one. No, instead you dual wield.

But even if there were any other pistols - a second tier of pistol that is bigger and better, if you so will... the chose to NOT pick up the second tier pistol and dual wield two 1911 pistols instead, still remains. And having one very big and powerful second tier gun vs two small medium first tier guns is still a somewhat 50-50 decision.

Some people who only had one 1911 pistol to play with will immediately ditch it and pick up the second tier pistol which is more powerful and effective. While others don't care for a bigger and more powerful gun, and instead chooses to just pick up another 1911 pistol and dual wield instead. (then later on, if you even could dual wield the second tier of pistols then that would be a whole different story, but let us not go too deep into this right now)

anyways!....

I honestly can't see why this is any different for the uzi. While the m16 is the second tier of weapons and is supposed to replace the uzi, I can't see why there couldn't be the option to dual wield the uzi and that too could work as an "upgrade", just as it works for the pistols :)

But oh well, you give good arguments and comebacks frogopus, so keep 'em coming! ;) :P

[Pain]

Pain no offense dude, But you have wayyy to much time on your hands typing up those fat ass paragraphs.
Maybe you are thinking too hard.

oh, none taken! :P

I know, I know! you are 100% right, my brain DO seems to never stop working! :P

but you're not the first one to tell me this. my friends tell me that all the time, lol! ^^

oh well, I'll try to relax and cut down on the thinking... :)