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[Deadly]

So, who saw it or is going to see it? Opinions?

I was going to see it in IMAX 3D, but it isn't showing in IMAX here yet so I'm going to see it in regular 3D later on today. $300 million movie, it better be good.

[Crack5800]

I'm going to see it today....I'm hoping it will be amazing...been waiting for a while for this...Cameron better deliver...

[SlainPwner666]

It was pretty good, but in my opinion I expected one helluva lot more given their budget. Also, the last 30 minutes or so are so goddamned cliche` I was expecting there to be a token-black-guy-who-gets-killed-off.

[Deadly]

Did you see it in 3D?

[SlainPwner666]

Why yes I did.

[shadowstreak]

I wish I could see it in 3d... I have astigmatism, so 3d is out of the question for me... If you don't know what it is, it basically means one of my eyes focal length is different then the other. My right eye is near sighted, and the other is normal. My astigmatism destroys 3d for me.

[Icy Lemon]

3D always seemed a bit gimmicky and unnecessarry to me. It's like "Look at me, I'm shoving this stick out of the screen, I am so cool!" It just seems like something to please kids. Although I haven't seen this yet, so maybe they did something interesting with it.

EDIT: Wow, my brother just got back from seeing this literally the second after I posted. He said it was amazing :/ I probably will go see it then. Although I was right about the gimmicky 3D.

[Deadly]

Why yes I did.

What was so "Ground-breaking" about it?

[Boojangels]

It was a pretty cool movie. As for the 3-D, it's not much of an advancement from the movie "UP".

[SlainPwner666]

What was so "Ground-breaking" about it?

That's exactly my problem with it. There is nothing Ground Breaking. Just a pretty cool action movie that was major over hyped.

[SickDaza]

I dnno I'm up for persuasion. The blue guys make me wanna see it. Any movie where characters are strange colours is good.

[odj]

This film is not a exercise in storyline or dialogue, that much is certain. However it does a running leap into a pond of mad visuals, amazing cgi and great development of a character (Pandora itself). I saw it in 3D (well 2.5D but I'll get to that in a min...) and honestly I wouldn't want to see this in 2D. The film was made with 3D in mind and it shows, I was a big sceptic about the 3D technology and how Cameron kept talking about how it really changed the experience but now I believe him. The storyline is very much cookie cutter stuff, same with the dialogue, but the characters are so powerful its easy to overlook those small shortcomings. Combine that with the breathtaking visuals and you've got a proper blockbuster that should be enjoyed over and over. This is definitely a full price film.

So about the 3D, I don't care what anyone says but this 3D experience is not 3D, its 2.5D, using flat planes to create the illusion of 3D. I understand that this is essentially what they are trying to do but I really don't like them calling it 3D for some reason when it isn't, that's just me nitpicking however. Saying this about the 3D does not however take away from the fact that it changes the screen of the cinema from being just that, a screen, and changes it into a window. Instead of looking at this world that has been filmed, the screen pushes back and makes you believe that this world is there behind the wall.

Some people are not seeing this film as ground breaking which to me is hard to fathom. There are parts in this film, whole scenes, most of the movie in fact which is not real. It is entirely computer generated, oh-ho you might say "But that's been done before." and your right, whole scenes have been computer generated before, but never before has an entirely different world, culture, and characters been created to a point where you forget that what you are watching doesn't exist.

One such scene in the film is where Jake Sully the main character is chased into the forest on his own and to escape from one of the animals in the forest he jumps into a river, swimming to the shore and barely escaping with his life. At this point I suddenly realised that none of this existed, and what followed for the next 10-20 mins till we went back to the humans didn't exist either but because everything had been so well thought out and so well executed I believed it all. I was looking through a window into Pandora.

And just so you know, when the first trailer for Avatar came out I was un-impressed and thought it was going to suck. A very nice surprise that it didn't.

[Nuttz]

I'll probably see this, although Zombieland is on the list beforehand.

[Elite]

Watch this instead. Lol

For better comedy watch your local comedy shows. They will be 100x better. :P

[Platypus]

2.5 D
This is how almost any modern film made in '3D' in the last few years have been made. No more cheesey "IM GOING TO BRING THIS PIZZA THROUGH THE SCREEN AND INTO YOUR FACE" effects, it's all about making objects in the screen look like they have depth perception, ala the 'window' effect you were talking about.

[Elite]

Does it make my eyes bleed?

[one of them]

So I've never been much for super hyped movies, and I didn't really plan on seeing this one on release day (or in IMAX 3D). But I have to say, this movie was pretty cool. Over-hyped? Maybe a little, but this movie actually deserves it. You NEED to see it in IMAX 3D to enjoy it fully. The story was pretty good, it isn't just a 3D Thrill-ride like I had originally thought it was going to be. It really doesn't have "amazing" 3D, but it just has some of the scenery and foreground objects 3D and others 2D. It really fits though, it doesn't overdo it with "WHOOOOA HERE IS A BULLET COMING RIGHT AT YOUR FACE!"

"IM GOING TO BRING THIS PIZZA THROUGH THE SCREEN AND INTO YOUR FACE"

Someone's been watching Conan O'Brien.

[Marc Truant]

Mr. one of them, your post has convinced me to watch this movie. And also go to sleep soon, because I have work at 8 (and it's 1:40 AM here).

[odj]

This is how almost any modern film made in '3D' in the last few years have been made. No more cheesey "IM GOING TO BRING THIS PIZZA THROUGH THE SCREEN AND INTO YOUR FACE" effects, it's all about making objects in the screen look like they have depth perception, ala the 'window' effect you were talking about.

I know, I was just expressing my disappointment at it being advertised as 3D when really it is the illusion of 3D. :P

[one of them]

Mr. one of them, your post has convinced me to watch this movie. And also go to sleep soon, because I have work at 8 (and it's 1:40 AM here).
You apparently didn't read odj's

[Crack5800]

I was utterly blown away by this film. I was expecting big things and I was treated to a film that had me on the edge of my seat, happy, sad, and angry at times. The technology used was breathtaking and the world of Pandora at times looked real it was scary. Though some of the characters were cliched' it did NOT perturb my experience watching this whatsoever. The film had me captivated in it's plot the whole way through. To see the main character, Jake, grow and learn the way of the Na'Vi was great and to see him open his eyes to the world he thought he knew. The story had me engrossed the whole way through and suspenseful right up until the very end. The ending made me upset...not that it's bad, but I'm one for closure in my movies :D

It is at its' core, a deep love story. But not just love between two character, but love between the characters, the other characters in it and the environment itself. Jim Cameron has truly made something that I think may be one of the best films I've seen this year and in the past few years. Some complain it wasn't full 3-D...well I think that was the original intention. The entire film wasn't needed to be in 3-D, but the sequences where it was I could tell this was no ordinary cheezy 3-D but something entirely different.

The music and soundtrack score is fantastic and only helps bring the world of Pandora even more alive. There are many messages in this film that you really have to open up to and really see in order to understand. It's a deep film when you really watch it and understand. I walked out of the theater blown away and really moved by what I had just watched that night. I am DEFINITELY seeing it again.

I think this film deserves Best Film of 2009 hands down.

Watch the film....you shall not be dissapointed.

[seaniepoo]

I am interested in seeing it, just not in 3d. Every 3d movie I have seen is like an annoying pop-out book.

[Crack5800]

I am interested in seeing it, just not in 3d. Every 3d movie I have seen is like an annoying pop-out book.

It isn't....trust me

[Deadly]

Saw it last night in regular 3D, and I really enjoyed it. Can't wait for it to open up at the IMAX near me in the World Golf Village so I can see it there. It took the best elements from other films and combined it into one great story. Very good movie and a must see in theaters.

[Zorgy]

Brilliant film. Loved the 3d. But it was just a little too... blunt. I was very aware at times that Cameron was trying to send a mesage. There were just too many for me. Like the similarities of the Na'vi and Native Americans or the evil humans (Americans) and ruthlessly invading pandora (Iraq) for a precious resource.
Of course that's all just my opinon but at times it ruined the imersion, which in a film like this is absoultely crucial.
Overall? 8.5/10 Hyped up a little too much as well.

[Deadly]

I don't think Pandora is meant to be Iraq. I think it is trying to represent America before westward expansion.

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

Pandora seems to be a popular name for other planets in science fiction.

[Deadly]

*whispers* Miranda...

[Zorgy]

It was a small connection I made. Jake said somehing like "So if someone has somethin you want, you just invade and take it?" I don't know. I may be wrong, it was just my conception of it and it briefly brought me out of the film.

[Platypus]

Someone's been watching Conan O'Brien.

Glad to meet another fan!

[Deadly]

I suppose Iraq would make sense. I just got the whole Indian feeling with nature. It's just a whole mix of stories mixed into one basically

[Platypus]

I suppose Iraq would make sense. I just got the whole Indian feeling with nature. It's just a whole mix of stories mixed into one basically
It's Dances With Wolves in Space!

[Deadly]

Dances With Aliens

[Icy Lemon]

There's one thing bugging me about this film...


Why didn't the humans just bomb planet what's-it's-name from orbit?

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

There's one thing bugging me about this film...


Why didn't the humans just bomb planet what's-it's-name from orbit?

Because they needed the minerals. Planets name is Pandora BTW.

[Icy Lemon]

Because they needed the minerals. Planets name is Pandora BTW.

Yeah, but those minerals were underground, so bombing the surface wouldn't matter. Ah Pandora, could have almost guessed that. :P

[Crack5800]

I've seen this film 4 times...I love this film.

[Deadly]

Here's what I don't get. It's in the future, mankind has traveled to different planets and has amazing technology. Why then, don't they have an automatic wheelchair?

[Paradox Viper]

Here's what I don't get. It's in the future, mankind has traveled to different planets and has amazing technology. Why then, don't they have a hover wheelchair with laser armrests?

That's more like it.

[UKMD Elmo]

Just come back from watching this actualy. Awesome awesome film.

And one of those walkers? I want one.

[Easton Dark]

And one of those walkers? I want one.

To go to the store, right?

[UKMD Elmo]

To go to the store, right?

Yes. The store.

Indeed.

[Bloodshed269]

Here's what I don't get. It's in the future, mankind has traveled to different planets and has amazing technology. Why then, don't they have an automatic wheelchair?


My guess would be that the guy is too proud to have an automatic wheelchair.

[Crack5800]

My guess would be that the guy is too proud to have an automatic wheelchair.

It says in the movie that the economy on Earth isn't so great.... *when Jake is coming out of the RDA transport ship*

So yeah...i'd say it's not easy to come by....

[Easton Dark]

It says in the movie that the economy on Earth isn't so great.... *when Jake is coming out of the RDA transport ship*

So yeah...i'd say it's not easy to come by....

Oh yeah, they got one of those cheapo machines to turn a human into an alien.

[Bloodshed269]

Oh yeah, they got one of those cheapo machines to turn a human into an alien.

Actually, it isn't turning then into the Na'vi, just transfering their conscience into a different body. Kind of like dreaming.

[Easton Dark]

Actually, it isn't turning then into the Na'vi, just transfering their conscience into a different body. Kind of like dreaming.

Huh.

Cool.

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

They're called the Na'vi?

I am disappoint.

[Easton Dark]

They're called the Na'vi?

I am disappoint.

HEY LISTEN!

/caps

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

Link! Use your hook-shot to latch on to the flying mountains!

[odj]

My guess would be that the guy is too proud to have an automatic wheelchair.

Yea couple that with him saying "I became a marine for the hardship, I told myself I could pass any test a man could pass." I'd say he's not the auto-wheelchair type.

[Easton Dark]

I just got back from seeing it (with 3D)

Wow.

There were times I saw myself being able to jump inside the screen and be there, you know it looked so good, it seemed better than reality.

And then, at the end, I remember thinking to myself "This is one of those movies where a sequel would be a bad idea" I mean, the ending was so good and there was so much closure, I just dont see a sequel (coincidently, 1 preview was shrek 4, I will not be seeing it)

I decided I liked this movie more than any other this year the scene that the humans flew in with those ships to blow up the sacred tree. It was so epic.

I will be seeing this again. I feel I have to.

[Nuttz]

I shall be seeing this soon, although I honestly can't see how it will top Inglourious Basterds.

[wertan11]

i don't see this toping district 9. best movie i've ever seen.(district 9)

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

District 9 was an amazing movie. Seeing Avatar on Saturday.

[Crack5800]

I saw this movie for my 5th. time today. Still get chills down my spine in all the scenes that I did the first time I watched it. Best film I've ever seen.

Of course I probably won't be seeing it again due to my theater's shitty theater quality and not giving the film enough justice. But I eagerly await to own it on DVD...

Oh and there is going to be a sequel more than likely

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1628605/story.jhtml

actually a trilogy....

[Bloodshed269]

I saw this movie for my 5th. time today. Still get chills down my spine in all the scenes that I did the first time I watched it. Best film I've ever seen.

Of course I probably won't be seeing it again due to my theater's shitty theater quality and not giving the film enough justice. But I eagerly await to own it on DVD...

Oh and there is going to be a sequel more than likely

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1628605/story.jhtml

actually a trilogy....

Jesus fuckin' Christ..........

[Elite]

All I hear about Avatar is how good the cinematics are.

[Nuttz]

All I hear about Avatar is how good the cinematics are.

It is a film, so cinematics is, y'know, everything.

[Elite]

From what I gather Avatar is extremely hyped.

[Boojangels]

From what I gather Avatar is extremely hyped.

Just say you hate it.

It's an aw rite movie. It's one of those movies you need to see in theaters. Couldn't really imagine seeing it at home.

[Elite]

Why do you think I hate everything?

[Nuttz]

Why do you think I hate everything?

Because:
I hate everything.

[Elite]

No I just hate everyone but myself.

/sarcasm

[UKMD Elmo]

It IS a very hyped film and that does tend to turn me off. However, it really does live up to all the hype and that isn't something to be taken lightly. It's a many faceted film with a fairly simple story on top but loads of layers if you look into it, not counting the stunning visuals, great acting, awesome action scenes and the sheer time, care and imagination that was obviously poured into the thing.

Recommended.

[Crack5800]

I'll continuously say....Best film I've ever seen....

[Slochk]

I'll continuously say....Best film I've ever seen....

i agree 100%

[Deadly]

It's good, but it's no Shawshank Redemption

[Bloodshed269]

It's good, but it's no Shawshank Redemption

I could imagine Morgan Freeman narrating Avatar.

[binge]

Watched it, liked it but expected alot more of it

[Elite]

How good is the action? :D

[Easton Dark]

How good is the action? :D

It's, uhhh....... actiony.

There's a battle mech that has a knife fight with a wild 30ft komodo dragon. I'll leave it at that.

[Elite]

Sounds, interesting.

[SlainPwner666]

How good is the action? :D

The last 30 or 40 minutes are the only action in the movie. At all. But it's so action packed you will jizz at least 17 times before the end, even if you have been castrated.

[Crack5800]

The last 30 or 40 minutes are the only action in the movie. At all. But it's so action packed you will jizz at least 17 times before the end, even if you have been castrated.

There is action throughout the movie....just not drawn out and big as the last 40 minutes of the film...

[hunterhunter]

must see...movie......I know a guy...

[Slochk]

I could imagine Morgan Freeman narrating Avatar.

that would have made the movie 10X better

[Crack5800]

that would have made the movie 10X better

Is that possible??? lol....

Everytime I watch the film I feel like it's a new experience. I have all the same excitement and suspense in all the same scenes that I did in my first time watching it. No other film has EVER done that to me. I really just love this movie. Everything was true about the hype...and it's still #1 at the Box Offices this weekend....so it's been out a week and still #1 ;)

[InstantDeath]

I went to the theatres today to watch Avatar and it was sold out in both 3d and normal for the next 5 hours. Hence to say 'I was disappoint'.

[Easton Dark]

I went to the theatres today to watch Avatar and it was sold out in both 3d and normal for the next 5 hours. Hence to say 'I was disappoint'.

Online tickets for me.

[wertan11]

pickup used tickets off the theater floor and put them on your comp and change them to make them "new"

[Easton Dark]

pickup used tickets off the theater floor and put them on your comp and change them to make them "new"

But then you'd have to drive all the way to the theater to get the tickets, drive back home, drive back to the theater, and then drive back home after the movie, and with gas prices the way they are now, it'd just be cheaper to buy the tickets online!

[Tyr]

Saw it a couple of days ago. Want to se it again, mostly because I was distracted by the pretty awesome visuals and didn't really concentrate on too much else. I think Jim Cameron and Pete Jackson need to have more playdates at Weta Workshop.

[Easton Dark]

I think Jim Cameron and Pete Jackson need to have more playdates at Weta Workshop.

This movie needs moar Micheal Bay.

[Nuttz]

This movie needs moar explosions.

Pretty much the same thing.

[Easton Dark]

That's what I was saying you jerk.

[Nuttz]

That's what I was saying you jerk.

http://sunnyskeptic.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/crying-baby-party-56800676.jpg

[Elite]

You're all babies in my eyes!

[wertan11]

i saw the movie. still like district 9 better. anyone played the game yet?

[Tyr]

This movie needs moar Micheal Bay.
Please tell me you're joking or I don't think I'll ever respect you as a person again.

[Nuttz]

Please tell me you're joking or I don't think I'll ever respect you as a person again.

Read down the page a bit.

Also, I honestly don't see why people hate Michael Bay so much. He doesn't try to make emotionally evoking movies, or films that have a complex story line. he just sets out to make a massive blockbuster with explosions and shooting and everything that goes along with that. He succeeds at this (can't comment for all of his movies, but the ones I've seen). There's nothing wrong with a near story-less movie that aims only to entertain the viewer.

[odj]

RThere's nothing wrong with a near story-less movie that aims only to entertain the viewer.

Yes there is.

[Icy Lemon]

Also, I honestly don't see why people hate Michael Bay so much.


...he just sets out to make a massive blockbuster with explosions and shooting

Pretty much answered your own question there.

Michael Bay's way of thinking is this:

"Emotion? Good acting? Story? Fuck all that, needs more 'splosion!"

And that's basically it. Sure explosions and gun fights and all that jazz are cool to watch, but when not backed up with a good story or acting it really dulls it, at least for me. And you can only take so much action before it starts to feel monotonous and boring. The film industry is filled with too much crap these days and he ain't helping. People want something different for a change.

[Deadly]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but Armageddon was an amazing movie. His movies aren't lacking story. Maybe some of them are, but Armageddon had plenty of story in it.

[odj]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but Armageddon was an amazing movie. His movies aren't lacking story. Maybe some of them are, but Armageddon had plenty of story in it.

I think we are talking about stories that make sense. Not having NASA throw a oil driller and his team into space to combat an incoming asteroid. If you are talking about the story of the father/step son/daughter thing going on, that wasn't so bad. The thing that made that film was the characters not the story.

[Deadly]

I think you guys are just looking for things to not like. Watch movies to enjoy them, not rip them to shreds. Unless of course it's a movie based after a game or novel in which case go for it

[odj]

I think you guys are just looking for things to not like. Watch movies to enjoy them, not rip them to shreds. Unless of course it's a movie based after a game or novel in which case go for it

O.o o.O So if its based off something else, its ok to rip on it, but not ok to rip on something original? Odd.

[Easton Dark]

"Emotion? Good acting? Story? Fuck all that, needs more 'splosion!"


Avatar has all that already. Are you telling me more explosions wouldn't of made it a better movie?

[Icy Lemon]

Avatar has all that already. Are you telling me more explosions wouldn't of made it a better movie?

Nah I was just saying if Bay had directed it, it would have been crap. But I haven't even seen the movie yet, so I can hardly judge.

[Easton Dark]

I was talking about them directing it all together.

1 Handles story, 1 handles animation, 1 handles special effects (read: splosions)

[Tyr]

Bay's movies are obscured by explosions. I'm not saying that they're obscuring anything decent, I am saying though that obscuring the eye-candy of Avatar behind more explosions than what was neccesary would have been a mistake.

[Easton Dark]

I saw a little bit of Terrorism vs America in this movie.

The mok-tahl (or whatever that huge bird is) when Jake was talking about it "He knows he's the biggest hunter around here - why would he look up"?

He then uses this attack on the mok-tahl to unite his people against the better equipped and more powerful forces invading their land, making them think maybe they can win against them!

Mok-tahl = America (twin towers to be exact)

Na'vi = Terrorists

Humans = U.S. military

[Crack5800]

This movie needs moar Micheal Bay.

No...HELL no...he would destroy the movie...All BAM BAM BOOM...no story or character....

[Easton Dark]

No...HELL no...he would destroy the movie...All BAM BAM BOOM...no story or character....

http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/michael-bay-presents-explosions.html

[Nuttz]

What's wrong with a no-story action blockbuster? There's plenty of games out there with jack-all story and are amazingly fun, they aim only to please the viewer/player. Take Killzone for example, the story is nothing special, just a war and people fighting in it. What makes the game fun is the explosions and absolute chaoe of war. Nobody cares that it doesn't have much of a story.

Bay definitely isn't the best director, he doesn't break the mold when it comes to conventions, and he often overdoes them, or uses them in the wrong place. The point is he does action well, and he shouldn't be criticised for the lack of story when the story isn't really important in what he's trying to make.

[blah]

I'm gonna go watch it tonight. :D

[Easton Dark]

I'm gonna go watch it tonight. :D

Wear a diaper.

[Tyr]

Bay... does action well, and he shouldn't be criticised for the lack of story when the story isn't really important in what he's trying to make.
First off, from an aesthetic and film-wanker point of view he actually doesn't do action well. In fact in recent years he seems to be getting worse. Pearl Harbour for example had some great action bits. Bay's latest, (Transformers RotF,) may have had some good action bits but the problem was it was pretty damn difficult to tell because everything was obscured by:

- Annoying camera angles.
- Annoying camera movement.
- Even more annoying lighting effects.
- Military equipment blocking the real action.
- Strangely enough, American flags.

If Bay was any sort of a director he would have realised this and shown some awesome action but alas, he didn't. Instead he smothered his film with so many special effects he just got the same outcome as a hooker who smothers herself with too much makup.

Second point; he shouldn't be criticised for lack of story when a story's not what he's trying to make? What is he trying to make? If he wants to make tech demos of awesome special effects he's doing it wrong - Pete Jackson and Weta Workshop do those and in them you can actually see what they're trying to do and it doesn't cost two hundred fucking million either.

On the same point, why do we have to just accept that Michael Bay is going to get millions of dollars and not actually give us a story? Movies are stories. Now, some actiony flicks are just there for fun and actions sake, look at Die Hard 4 or 300. However at the core of these movies you'll find a plot that drives the action from one point to another. Bay's films don't have these. At the core of a Bay film you'll find a brainstorm of "excuses to use special effects" and this will be strung together not by a progression of plot points but by... well, nothing. Even the film 2012 had the barest skeleton of a plot to string the "OMG RUN" moments together.

Same point again, why are movies filled with action and special effects seemingly excused from having to have a good story? Special effects used to be an enhancement, not a replacement. Avatar, (yay, got the actual thread topic in here,) considered as a visual film only is better than anything Michael Bay could ever do even if he had an unlimited budget because he's a complete fucking hack. But put aside the eye candy and you have a decent story too, (albeit a story we've all heard before.) Better even than Avatar was District 9, a film that had fantastic action, brilliant special effects, an emmersive story and characters who you could identify and empathise with dispite them being weird cockroach-slash-Zoidberg creatures and dispite the film being an actiony film with explosions and liquefications and a pig being fired by a gravity gun. And it cost a fraction of what T:RotF did too.

Basically what this rant is meant to do is to say Michael Benjamin Bay; You are a stupid fucking hack. You are a tool, a douche and above all a really really bad director. You are worse that Uwe Boll - mostly because at least he finances his own travesties. I can only hope you will never be given another directing job.

[Easton Dark]

However at the core of these movies you'll find a plot that drives the action from one point to another. Bay's films don't have these.

They do though.....


AGHHHHHH*BAN*

[Tyr]

I'm too surprised that you read that far into that post to ban you. Either way they really don't. So blah to you.

[BallsMalloney]

Tyr, I read THAT WHOLE thing you posted.
I wish I Tl;Dr'd it but I didn't. I found that I agree with you. 'Bay is a fuckin' dick-head who started a dumb-brick FAIL-tress' career that should have NEVER seen the light of day.

[Easton Dark]

I'm too surprised that you read that far into that post to ban you. Either way they really don't. So blah to you.

Blah to you, sir.

I read everything.

EDIT: OMGWTFBBQ BALLS HIT 1000 RAGES AND POSTS

[Tyr]

FAIL-tress' career that should have NEVER seen the light of day.
Ah-Greeeeee!

[Elite]

I missed your rants :D

I agree too.

[Nuttz]

First off, from an aesthetic and film-wanker point of view he actually doesn't do action well. In fact in recent years he seems to be getting worse. Pearl Harbour for example had some great action bits. Bay's latest, (Transformers RotF,) may have had some good action bits but the problem was it was pretty damn difficult to tell because everything was obscured by:

- Annoying camera angles.
- Annoying camera movement.
- Even more annoying lighting effects.
- Military equipment blocking the real action.
- Strangely enough, American flags.

I completely agree with you there (not that I never said his movies were good, as overall movies, just that they were good as action movies). Like I said before, he knows the conventions of a good action sequence, but he doesn't use them well. Take the final battle of Transformers for example. He uses short duration shots in handheld camera. It has the potential to be good, but this he has attempted to create a Borne-like fight scene. It may work on a smaller scale, but when it comes to massive robots hitting each other, a much longer shot is needed.

As far as the other action scenes go (the ones including humans, not robots), I don't recall anything that struck me as terrible. None of the scenes are memorable, either in a bad or a good way, so I'm assuming they were sufficient, unless you have an example.

If Bay was any sort of a director he would have realised this and shown some awesome action but alas, he didn't. Instead he smothered his film with so many special effects he just got the same outcome as a hooker who smothers herself with too much makup.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here. Sure, Bay overuses his special effects. But I can't remember one time when he uses them to the extent that they reduce the appeal. Sure, it may suspend your disbelief a little too much when a car crashes into a pole and explodes. It may strike you as a little odd when it's obvious that a particular series of events were set up expecially to show said effects. But it never gets to the point where the special effects are so overwhelming that you dislike the movie just a little bit more (obviously, this is in my own opinion).

Second point; he shouldn't be criticised for lack of story when a story's not what he's trying to make? What is he trying to make? If he wants to make tech demos of awesome special effects he's doing it wrong - Pete Jackson and Weta Workshop do those and in them you can actually see what they're trying to do and it doesn't cost two hundred fucking million either.

I never said that Bay was the best at making over-the-top action movies with huge special effects. If I said that apples taste good and you said that oranges taste better, it doesn't mean that the apples now taste terrible.

On the same point, why do we have to just accept that Michael Bay is going to get millions of dollars and not actually give us a story? Movies are stories. Now, some actiony flicks are just there for fun and actions sake, look at Die Hard 4 or 300. However at the core of these movies you'll find a plot that drives the action from one point to another. Bay's films don't have these. At the core of a Bay film you'll find a brainstorm of "excuses to use special effects" and this will be strung together not by a progression of plot points but by... well, nothing. Even the film 2012 had the barest skeleton of a plot to string the "OMG RUN" moments together.

Saying that Bay's films don't have any story to hold it together is just ignorant. Even if it is minimal, it's enough to explain why what's happening is happening.

Same point again, why are movies filled with action and special effects seemingly excused from having to have a good story? Special effects used to be an enhancement, not a replacement. Avatar, (yay, got the actual thread topic in here,) considered as a visual film only is better than anything Michael Bay could ever do even if he had an unlimited budget because he's a complete fucking hack. But put aside the eye candy and you have a decent story too, (albeit a story we've all heard before.) Better even than Avatar was District 9, a film that had fantastic action, brilliant special effects, an emmersive story and characters who you could identify and empathise with dispite them being weird cockroach-slash-Zoidberg creatures and dispite the film being an actiony film with explosions and liquefications and a pig being fired by a gravity gun. And it cost a fraction of what T:RotF did too.

Once again, I never said that Bay was the best at it, there are plenty of directors who are leagues ahead of him. I would take a great action movie with a great story over a great action movie any day. It's just unfair to say that, because other movies have done action and story superbly, other movies have to as well. I'll use another analogy. If a Michael Bay film was Left 4 Dead, and Distict 9 or Avatar were a Call of Duty game, then Single-player would respresent story, while multi-player would represent action. Left 4 Dead is considered by many to have amazing action, and a sub-par single-player. Call of Duty, however is considered to have the best of both worlds. It would be wrong of me to call Left 4 Dead a terrible game just because Call of Duty does the single-player component miles better, and the multi-player just as, if not better, than Left 4 Dead. It's not the best analogy, but I think it's gets my point across.

Basically what this rant is meant to do is to say Michael Benjamin Bay; You are a stupid fucking hack. You are a tool, a douche and above all a really really bad director. You are worse that Uwe Boll - mostly because at least he finances his own travesties. I can only hope you will never be given another directing job.

Obviously I can't change your opinion on him. But I will say this: His movies are considered great by many, whether you like it or not, and those movies bring joy to a good deal of people. So if those movies are enjoyed by so many, why should he stop making films? Alll you have to do is not watch them, and let other people enjoy them. If you think that the money is earns is not well-deserved, then you obviously don't think that making possibly millions of people happy is not deserving of some sort of reward. I'm not exactly a Michael Bay fan, but if he wants to make movies (which I'm assuming he loves doing) that make people happy, then I have no right to tell him to stop.

[Easton Dark]

When did this thread turn into Micheal Bay: the man, the myth, the fag.

STEER THIS THING ON COURSE FOLKS!

Folks: THE STEERING WHEEL'S BROKEN

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Tyr]

Point taken Nuttz but still, Michael Bay is to anyone who appreciates good cinema what an Australian Chardonnay is to a wine snob. I won't deny that he has his appeal but that's mostly to people who simply don't get good cinema and therefore don't appreciate the difference. I love a lowbrow action flick as much as the next guy, in fact I'm a big fan of lowbrow action, (it's why "Army of Darkness" ranks among my favourite films,) but this doesn't explain the fact that the last two Michael Bay films have honestly been painful to watch. The man is a hack and yeah sure, he makes a lot of money but if there's one thing that rings true about the entertainment industry, (not just film,) it's that shit always earns the big bucks. How else would one explain the popularity and money-earning capabilities of Seltzer/Friedberg films?

Steering wheel's broken I know, my fault, sorry.

[Nuttz]

Point taken Nuttz but still, Michael Bay is to anyone who appreciates good cinema what an Australian Chardonnay is to a wine snob. I won't deny that he has his appeal but that's mostly to people who simply don't get good cinema and therefore don't appreciate the difference. I love a lowbrow action flick as much as the next guy, in fact I'm a big fan of lowbrow action, (it's why "Army of Darkness" ranks among my favourite films,) but this doesn't explain the fact that the last two Michael Bay films have honestly been painful to watch. The man is a hack and yeah sure, he makes a lot of money but if there's one thing that rings true about the entertainment industry, (not just film,) it's that shit always earns the big bucks. How else would one explain the popularity and money-earning capabilities of Seltzer/Friedberg films?

Steering wheel's broken I know, my fault, sorry.

That's the unfortunate reality, not just for films either. And I do agree that Bay is very overrated, but I don't think he deserves all the shit he gets from the gamer community.

Anyway, back on topic, still haven't seen Avatar :(

[Boojangels]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but Armageddon was an amazing movie. His movies aren't lacking story. Maybe some of them are, but Armageddon had plenty of story in it.

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thedudette/nostalgia-chick/11386-arma01
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thedudette/nostalgia-chick/11880-arma02

[Deadly]

*Last off topic thing to say*

That guy is a douchebag, Boojangels and, IMO, not even that funny.

[SRXSniper58]

I just saw it, i really liked it
Who else here knew the humans were the baddies from the start?
At first I thought this was going to be another Twilight when you see the obsessed fans.
But this movie is NOT full of pessimisem and a dreary plot
I definitely recommend people to see this movie, 3D or not

[Crack5800]

I just saw it, i really liked it
Who else here knew the humans were the baddies from the start?

I knew they were...but it did surprise me that they would go to such lengths to acquire the unobtanium....

[SRXSniper58]

I knew they were...but it did surprise me that they would go to such lengths to acquire the unobtanium....
ah, what humans do for money.....

[Tyr]

I loved that name by the way; Unobtanium. Don't know why it's so great either, I mean Humans seem pretty damn advanced by this stage, what's one grey rock going to help them with?

I'm pretty sure everyone knew that the Humans were the "baddies" if they had seen only one bit of advertising material for the film.

[Crack5800]

I loved that name by the way; Unobtanium. Don't know why it's so great either, I mean Humans seem pretty damn advanced by this stage, what's one grey rock going to help them with?

I'm pretty sure everyone knew that the Humans were the "baddies" if they had seen only one bit of advertising material for the film.

The movie states that Earth's economy is pretty much shot and later on Jake states that there is no "green" left on Earth as well.

Also...the RDA by the movie had been on Pandora for at least 20+ years (play the game and it gives you LOAAADS of backstory info) and that the mineral is worth a fortune is very profitable on Earth as well as other items from Pandora have been sent to Earth for things such as clothing, jewelry and what not.

So yeah...there's a lot at stake for that little grey rock, lol.

[Easton Dark]

Unobtanium.

http://f.imagehost.org/0537/i-lold3.jpg

[odj]

Just got back from seeing it a second time. Still really impressed with it, want to see it again in 3D. XD

[Boojangels]

*Last off topic thing to say*

That guy is a douchebag, Boojangels and, IMO, not even that funny.

(But that was a girl. You didn't watch)

So I guess Earth is screwed without that mineral now, huh?

[blah]

I'm too surprised that you read that far into that post to ban you. Either way they really don't. So blah to you.

Wait what???

OT: Watched it, was amazing, Putting it down on my top 15 best movies list.

Also... I'm gonna call Rule 34 on this movie... sadly. Its the perfect setup.

[one of them]

(But that was a girl. You didn't watch)

So I guess Earth is screwed without that mineral now, huh?
I'll bet those guys get back to Earth and the Leader Guy is all "What? Well send an invasion force.".
/Complete Destruction of Entire Planet

Earth never loses.

[Deadly]

(But that was a girl. You didn't watch)

So I guess Earth is screwed without that mineral now, huh?

I watched after I posted that and was too lazy to edit my post. Still the same person has to write it because she is just as obnoxious and filled with bad jokes as that other guy is.

[Bloodshed269]

(play the game and it gives you LOAAADS of backstory info)

Movie game? BAH!

[Crack5800]

It's not a terrible game....not great....it's got some good backstory, great visuals, and some exciting action at times.....

[Georgie]

Saw it in 3D last Tuesday. Absolutely amazing.

Well, 3D you can live without. Nothing bad about it though.

[Bloodshed269]

It's not a terrible game....not great....it's got some good backstory, great visuals, and some exciting action at times.....

Just doesn't look to be that good. I guess you'd have to be really into the movie to enjoy it. Like, I really enjoyed Lost: Via Domus even though it didn't get great scores.

[Crack5800]

Yeah...you need to be a fan of the movie and know what's going on in order to really get a sense of the game. The biggest complaint of it I have is, (and it's been pointed out) it does get repetitive at parts and some of the cutscenes, particulary the ending is not that well crafted, but none the less satisfying since the game really just opens up the door to the movie (the game is set roughly 2 years before the film).

[Georgie]

I'm a fan of the movie, but I'm not going for that game. I just played a bad game last night. Not very fun.

[Crack5800]

I'm a fan of the movie, but I'm not going for that game. I just played a bad game last night. Not very fun.

I'd give it a rent at least....you'll like playing as a Na'Vi....Thanator= major fun ;)

[Georgie]

Might try it... but the rental company here charges a shitload. I'll see.

[ScoobySnax]

I watched it, thought it was the Best movie I'de ever seen.
My Dad watched it, he thought it was the bet movie he'd ever seen.
My uncle watched it, he thought it was the bet movie he'd ever seen.
Plus my Cousins watched it, and they're only like 7 or 8, and one of them ACTUALY Pissed theirselves because they didn't want to miss another second of it.

Also I was pretty damn proud of myself for figuring out that that sacred tree of the Navi is like the Planets evolutionary precaution. If ever something Big and threatening to the ecosystem happens, and the Navi prayer to their 'God', all their emotion and feelings is transmitted though the Tree, into all other Trees, and into the animals. Thats why the Animals helped the Navi in the end. Creating one ******* Epic feista.

[Bloodshed269]

one of them ACTUALY Pissed theirselves

I choose to believe you are talking about one of them, and not one of your cousins.

[one of them]

I choose to believe you are talking about one of them, and not one of your cousins.
I pissed myself, but that's just 'cause of my ass-mar.
http://lordoftheflies.org/img/Pict29.jpg

[Slochk]

first movie i ever saw in IMAX 3D and it was worth it, just awesome.

[Nuttz]

Saw it yesterday. It was pretty good, but not as good as everyone has made it out to be.

[armored cow]

I just saw it today (normal showing, no 3d or Imax) and it was pretty good. Story was fairly creative (if copying history is creative). Nevertheless, the environment of pandora was pretty creative; the plantlife was simply stunning in visuals and in general ambience.

Some parts were pretty cliche:
"I trusted you!"

Otherwise the film was generally pretty epic, although more fight scenes would have been welcome :P The story itself was pretty moralistic and told a good lesson.

9/10

[Easton Dark]

He got himself some blue tail.

Literally.

[Nuttz]

Story was fairly creative

I have to disagree there. The setting was creative, but the story is something that has been done to death.

[frogopus]

I have to disagree there. The setting was creative, but the story is something that has been done to death.

It was definitely stock characters and I was feeling the same about the plot in the beginning but I think they use those stock motifs in an interesting way.

And there's no denying the awesomeness of the world they created.

[Nuttz]

It was definitely stock characters and I was feeling the same about the plot in the beginning but I think they use those stock motifs in an interesting way.

And there's no denying the awesomeness of the world they created.

Yeah, it was an awesome world. I'm pretty sure the main commander bad guy was supposed to be extremely cliche. Althoguh I did think the owner of the company or whatever it was (the guys who wanted the unobtainium) was an interesting character. He was remorseful yet cruel at the same time. You saw a hint of regret when he gave the orders to attack. I think he could've been developed a bit more though.

[SRXSniper58]

I went again yesterday, but this woman keep tututututututtititit-ing whenever something bad happened
SO PISSED OFF

[odj]

I went again yesterday, but this woman keep tututututututtititit-ing whenever something bad happened
SO PISSED OFF

Should have melee her with a frying pan and told her to get back in the kitchen.

[CrAnKeDHigH]

I loved that name by the way; Unobtanium. Don't know why it's so great either, I mean Humans seem pretty damn advanced by this stage, what's one grey rock going to help them with?

Jeez that's not even an original name. That is the same stuff from that movie The Core. It's what they called the metal that they made that ship out of to go into earth's core.

[Bloodshed269]

Jeez that's not even an original name. That is the same stuff from that movie The Core. It's what they called the metal that they made that ship out of to go into earth's core.

Nothing's original, everything has been done before. Get used to it.

[wertan11]

like how every game with aliens in it is a "halo ripoff"

[Deadly]

Jeez that's not even an original name. That is the same stuff from that movie The Core. It's what they called the metal that they made that ship out of to go into earth's core.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. Especially since I watched The Core a day earlier. I thought it was a funny coincidence.

[lawlhat]

Funny, I just got The Core on DVD cause I saw it for like 2 bucks...

Something is wrong here.

[CrAnKeDHigH]

Nothing's original, everything has been done before. Get used to it.

Your right most ideas in movies and video games aren't original, but if your going to have a made up name for some element you can make anything up. Don't copy a made up name of some element from another movie. If you can't even be creative enough to do that, don't even bother.

[Deadly]

He probably had no idea when he wrote it Cranked. The script for this movie was written before The Core anyway.

[CrAnKeDHigH]

He probably had no idea when he wrote it Cranked. The script for this movie was written before The Core anyway.

no way, The Core was out a long time ago. You think Avatar was written that long ago?

Probably just the same guy on each writing team. Otherwise that would be some coincidence.

[Platypus]

Jeez that's not even an original name. That is the same stuff from that movie The Core. It's what they called the metal that they made that ship out of to go into earth's core.

Unobtainium (the word) is commonly used by Engineers and Designers to refer to materials that are expensive/rare/don't exist. Maybe Cameron was making the humorous reference to that fact?

no way, The Core was out a long time ago. You think Avatar was written that long ago?

Probably just the same guy on each writing team. Otherwise that would be some coincidence.
The Core was released in 2003. James Cameron started development of the story in 1994.

[Easton Dark]

So everyone agrees it was an above-average movie and worth the money?

[one of them]

Aye sir, aye.

[Crack5800]

I think it was better than above average, and thus far it's made over 700 million worldwide and almost about to break 800 million. So yeah....lol

[Nuttz]

I think it was better than above average, and thus far it's made over 700 million worldwide and almost about to break 800 million. So yeah....lol

By that logic, popular = good.

[Easton Dark]

It usually has to be good to be popular.

Metal music though.......... thats the exception.

also l4d2

[Nuttz]

also l4d2

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27874/600107-oh_you_super.jpg

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

Easton, lol.

I saw Avatar a week ago, I loved it. It didn't feel like three hours though because it pulls you in so flawlessly.

Edit: You ruined it, Nuttz. lol

[Nuttz]

Edit: You ruined it, Nuttz. lol

No I didn't. You ruined it!

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

No u.

P.S. I am so terribly sorry for the 4chan reference.

[Nuttz]

P.S. I am so terribly sorry for the 4chan reference.

The mods will be very disappoint.

[Bloodshed269]

The mods will be very disappoint.

I love 4ch(banned)

[Crack5800]

The film is now the 3rd. highest grossing film of all time currently clocking in at 1.8 billion dollars made worldwide...almost 350 million domestically...and it's showing no signs of slowing....

[Bloodshed269]

The film is now the 3rd. highest grossing film of all time currently clocking in at 1.8 billion dollars made worldwide...almost 350 million domestically...and it's showing no signs of slowing....

Actually, it has just over 1 billion worldwide. You're thinking of Titanic with 1.8 billion.

[Crack5800]

Domestic Total as of Jan. 3, 2010: $352,114,898

Current Global $1,025,378,961

Yeah...your right Bloodshed....still though...it's currently number 3 top selling film of all time...

[Hellbound107]

I just saw this today. It wasn't what Id call a great movie as much as it was simply better then the rest of the crap hollywood keeps shiting out. I felt freakin psychic watching this film. I predicted just about everything in the beinning from how the love intrest thing would work out to who would die. It kindof sucked.
Blue chick: "only five have ever... blah blah blah."
Me: "One hour from now that dudes going to be the sixth.... and hes going to fly down on top of it because the thing probably doesn't look up very often."
I just shook my head and ignored the slightly lazy writing. As long as they didnt pull any of the crap spiderman 3 did, I didn't mind too much.

[wertan11]

i expected nudity when i first saw the blue chick

[Crack5800]

This movie was originally intended to be rated R and last about 4 hours.....so the story had LOADS more to it, but it had to be cut....so it wasn't lazy writing.

[Bloodshed269]

It's now the second highest grossing film of all time, behind Cameron's Titanic.

[Crack5800]

Yes sir'...it is ;)

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

Cameron picked the right career, I'll tell you what.

[SRXSniper58]

Ive seen it 5 times now and every time there is an emotinal silence, someone always screams IM GAY or does something stupid
i think these people need to be killed with fire

[armored cow]

Lol nobody does anything like that at the movie theater I always go to. But that's usually because I don't go on opening day. I saw this with about 15 people total in the theater.

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

I saw this couple weeks back and the theater was just packed with people. We had to sit right in the front, literally having to turn our whole head just to see the point of interest. lol.

[Nuttz]

This movie was originally intended to be rated R and last about 4 hours.....so the story had LOADS more to it, but it had to be cut....so it wasn't lazy writing.

Ok now you're just coming off as a major fanboy.

[Easton Dark]

He has 6 posts saying how orgasmic the movie is and he's seen it more than 5 times.

Obvious fanboy.

The only movie I've EVER seen more than 5 times is the phantom menace.

[Nuttz]

He has 6 posts saying how orgasmic the movie is and he's seen it more than 5 times.

Obvious fanboy.

The only movie I've EVER seen more than 5 times is the phantom menace.

It's really not that amazing. It's a generic epic movie with a good backstory and non-gimmicky 3D/

[shadowstreak]

WARNING SPOILERS, but you probably saw this already as a child XDhttp://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/42950_cameronavatarbookreport.jpg

[Nuttz]

WARNING SPOILERS, but you probably saw this already as a child XDhttp://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/42950_cameronavatarbookreport.jpg

Never thought about that, although I knew that whole story had m=been done a thousand times before. I compared it to The Last Samurai, which is still very similar.

[one of them]

WARNING SPOILERS, but you probably saw this already as a child XDhttp://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/42950_cameronavatarbookreport.jpg
Wow it's pretty much 100% the same except for the last 4 sentences.

[Easton Dark]

I never saw Pocahontas.

I guess now I dont have to.

[Deadly]

Waiting for the IMAX theater near me to play this...WHY oh WHY is it still playing A Christmas Carol!

[Crack5800]

It's nothing like Pocahontas...

[Platypus]

It's nothing like Pocahontas...
It's the exact same story/over-arcing theme.

[armored cow]

It's nothing like Pocahontas...

Did you even look at the large paper with the cross-outs?

[Bloodshed269]

It's the exact same story/over-arcing theme.

As are a lot of movies, tv shows, and songs.

[Stuffinator]

I can't remember pocahontas! Avatar however was neat!

[Nuttz]

It's nothing like Pocahontas...

Crack, I thought you were better than this. Just because it's very unoriginal doesn't mean it's not good.

[Bloodshed269]

Crack, I thought you were better than this. Just because it's very unoriginal doesn't mean it's not good.

It's his opinion, let him have it. (not trying to be an "asshole")

[Jesus123]

http://showhype.com/story/james_cameron_s_3_d_avatar_wows_comic_con/

"James Cameron originally wrote "Avatar" as a way to challenge the special-effects firm Digital Domain, where he served as chief executive. But it took technology 14 years to catch up with his vision of a faraway planet populated by otherwordly plants and animals where humans embody avatars just to brave the landscape."
2009-14=1995

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas_(1995_film)

"Was originally released to selected theaters on June 16, 1995 by Walt Disney Pictures."

So uh..... yeah lol

[Nuttz]

It's his opinion, let him have it. (not trying to be an "asshole")

This isn't the sort of thing that you can have varying opinions on.

"Was originally released to selected theaters on June 16, 1995 by Walt Disney Pictures."

So uh..... yeah lol

I very much doubt that James Cameron used all of the 15 years just for the forestory. I guaruntee he only came up with that much within the last 5 or so years. The rest would've been backstory, maybe even trying a few diffent forestories.

[Jesus123]

This isn't the sort of thing that you can have varying opinions on.



I very much doubt that James Cameron used all of the 15 years just for the forestory. I guaruntee he only came up with that much within the last 5 or so years. The rest would've been backstory, maybe even trying a few diffent forestories.

TBH I haven't even seen the movie, I was just looking it up for you guys.

[Nuttz]

TBH I haven't even seen the movie, I was just looking it up for you guys.

It doesn't really matter. The point is that he probably spent most of that time thinking up the whole world. Anyone who took 15 years to come up with a forestory like that would have to be retarded.

[Crack5800]

Crack, I thought you were better than this. Just because it's very unoriginal doesn't mean it's not good.

I've seen Pocahontas a lot...particularly as a kid and that story and this story just doesn't come across to me as the same. For the sake of a long post just watch both movies. First big thing...John Smith doesn't even LIVE with the natives...just spends time with Pocahontas...no learning about their lives....no becoming one of them...nothing like that. That's just one of the many things...

Each person is entitled to what they think, yes, but come on...just think about the stories of each and you'll see. Not many similarities whatsoever.

[Nuttz]

I've seen Pocahontas a lot...particularly as a kid and that story and this story just doesn't come across to me as the same. For the sake of a long post just watch both movies. First big thing...John Smith doesn't even LIVE with the natives...just spends time with Pocahontas...no learning about their lives....no becoming one of them...nothing like that. That's just one of the many things...

Each person is entitled to what they think, yes, but come on...just think about the stories of each and you'll see. Not many similarities whatsoever.

Well obviously I can't change your mind.

[Crack5800]

Well obviously I can't change your mind.

You can't when I've read some of the original script already and then seen the movie 10 times to see that I can't justify many similarities between the two films.

[Easton Dark]

You can't when I've read some of the original script already and then seen the movie 10 times to see that I can't justify many similarities between the two films.

You.......you saw the script thing up there, right?

[Crack5800]

I'm talking about the actual script....the one he wrote 15 years ago....

[Platypus]

IT'S THE SAMN DAMN THING.

Behind the amazing special effects lies a bland story. But you know what, I'm ok with that, and so should you.

[Deadly]

So does every movie script essentially. The Day After Tomorrow was the same thing as Armageddon if you replace hurricane with asteroid, or with 2012. The Italian Job is the same thing as Inside Man if you change a few things around. Hell, they were all great movies so I'm fine with it. Still waiting for this movie to be in the IMAX near me.

[Bloodshed269]

So does every movie script essentially. The Day After Tomorrow was the same thing as Armageddon if you replace hurricane with asteroid, or with 2012. The Italian Job is the same thing as Inside Man if you change a few things around. Hell, they were all great movies so I'm fine with it. Still waiting for this movie to be in the IMAX near me.

*Enter Easton Dark to make a tired a played out L4D and L4D2 are the same joke*

[Easton Dark]

Why so serious?

http://www.jsha.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/the-joker1.jpg

Wanna know how I got these scars?

Well my father....... he was a drinker y'see

And one night, he came home craaazier than usual

He took his knife to mom and then turned to me and said:

L4D was worth the money even though L4D2 is out

Y'see? Craaaazy.

[Platypus]

The Italian Job is the same thing as Inside Man if you change a few things around.
Shouldn't it be the other way? The Italian Job was made in 1969. Actually, even the remake was made in 2003, 3 years before Inside Man was released.

[Nuttz]

Shouldn't it be the other way? The Italian Job was made in 1969. Actually, even the remake was made in 2003, 3 years before Inside Man was released.

Even then, I don't see any smilarities. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong movie, you talking about the one with Clive Owen?

[Deadly]

Yes I am. The awesome one with Clive Owen

[Nuttz]

In that case I don't see any similarities really. Haven't seen either in a while though.

[Bloodshed269]

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/vatican-says-avatar-no-masterpiece-ap

The Vatican has a problem with this movie "promoting the worship of nature as a religion."

Really?

[Crack5800]

It's the Vatican...what do you expect? -_-

[Easton Dark]

God made nature, so worshiping nature is like worshiping god.

Right?

[Crack5800]

Not according to most hardcore religious people....It's either God or Jesus. Anything else and it's not the "right" way to do it...so to speak.

[Bloodshed269]

God made nature, so worshiping nature is like worshiping god.

Right?

"If God created Man, and Man created the Transformers, then that makes the Transformers a gift from God, Randal!"

[Easton Dark]

I find their lack of logic....... disturbing...... but not surprising for catholics.

[InstantDeath]

That movie was awesome. Even if they violate their horses before they ride them.

[N0sySh00ter]

Lol, they violated them?

Can you say Beastality much?

[Easton Dark]

Beastality

This isn't mortal Kombat!


and to humans, seeing as the Na'vi are savages, it isn't beastiality.

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

It's kind of funny. The humans saw the Na'vi as savages yet acted with more belligerence then the natives. Hot cup of irony, anyone?

[Crack5800]

Just goes to show we as humans will let things we want override our rational and moral thinking...

[Easton Dark]

Just goes to show we as humans will let things we want override our rational and moral thinking...

Jailbait?

[Crack5800]

I was thinking more along the lines of resources, land, and power over others for things we want.

But to each their own Easton @_@

[Easton Dark]

Women are mens resource, land, and their source of power. Sad but true.

And technically jailbait would fall within my age range.

[InstantDeath]

Avatar has officially been recognized as the highest grossing film ever. Surpassing the Titanic, which was made by the same guy (James Cameron) in 1997.

[Crack5800]

Avatar has officially been recognized as the highest grossing film ever. Surpassing the Titanic, which was made by the same guy (James Cameron) in 1997.

Indeed =D...now it's on its' way to 2 billion.

[Nuttz]

Good lawd, anyone seen Fern Gully?

[Crack5800]

Good lawd, anyone seen Fern Gully?

Yes I have...

[odj]

Good lawd, anyone seen Fern Gully?

I remembered that I had never watched that the other day, downloaded it, got 5 mins in and shut it off. My god.

[Deadly]

Snarf!

[Nuttz]

That wasn't an attempt at turning this off topic. Watch Avatar and Fern Gully in succession. The similarities are frighteningly numerous.

[Easton Dark]

That wasn't an attempt at turning this off topic. Watch Avatar and Fern Gully in succession. The similarities are frighteningly numerous.

Gah.

big words.

Head feel funny.

[Nuttz]

If you have sex with a clone of yourself, is it incest or masturbation?

Don't know, but either way it's 100% hawt.

[Bloodshed269]

Sequel Info (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-avatar-2-the-abyss.html)

[Deadly]

DVD release is tomorrow also.

[Bloodshed269]

Actually, it was released today, on Earth Day.

[armored cow]

Today actually, Deadly! Perfect for Earth Day.

EDIT: Ninja'd

[UnleashedBeast]

I bought it on Blu Ray, and fired up the 65" Mitsubishi DLP 1080P and 5.1 surround sound. Man, it was still great in 2D at home. This movie gives me that emotional lump in my throat at certain points and no matter how many times I view it the effect doesn't change. I saw it 3 times in the theater in 3D, and the 4th time at home was almost the same effect, although my home theater is pretty nice!

[UnleashedBeast]

It's kind of funny. The humans saw the Na'vi as savages yet acted with more belligerence then the natives. Hot cup of irony, anyone?

and the American government stealing land from the Native American Indians was different how? Most of that was for expansion and especially gold. Not uncommon for a civilization to go to war with an indigenous culture to steal their land and treasures. The Greeks and Romans did it consistently for 2000 years.

We are repeating history yet again with our war in the middle east. If it wasn't rich with oil we wouldn't even be there. We view terrorists as savages that deserve to die, but who is really the true animal here?

[Bloodshed269]

and the American government stealing land from the Native American Indians was different how? Most of that was for expansion and especially gold. Not uncommon for a civilization to go to war with an indigenous culture to steal their land and treasures. The Greeks and Romans did it consistently for 2000 years.

We are repeating history yet again with our war in the middle east. If it wasn't rich with oil we wouldn't even be there. We view terrorists as savages that deserve to die, but who is really the true animal here?

Here we go again.

[blah]

This unleashed beast has just gotten rep from me... wait, there is no rep on 411

[Tyr]

I wanted to see it again at the movies in 3D. I mean the story in my opinion is so-so but the eye-candy is exceptional. Unfortunately I got tied up with army training and then going overseas and never got 'round to it. Still, might pick up the DVD. Wonder when it comes out in NZ?

[Paradox Viper]

I feel like the only one who honestly didn't like this film. Am I missing some important piece of information that makes it enjoyable?

[Bloodshed269]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8634216.stm

James Cameron is planning to re-release Avatar laster this year, with an additional SIX minutes of footage. He feels that, since Alice in Wonderland and Clash of the Titans came out soon after Avatar in 3D, that Avatar could have gone longer in Imax and theaters than it did.

[UnleashedBeast]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8634216.stm

James Cameron is planning to re-release Avatar laster this year, with an additional SIX minutes of footage. He feels that, since Alice in Wonderland and Clash of the Titans came out soon after Avatar in 3D, that Avatar could have gone longer in Imax and theaters than it did.

and I will pay to see it in theaters once again. I love this movie.