Getting a new video card from my friendly neighborhood NEWEGG!

[seanistehpwnzor]

So I'm running my current computer now with a ATI X850XT Series video card which cost me $500 at the time I bought it -_-, still great little card but now I'm buying the Radeon VisionTek HD 3870. Could someone possibly know anything about this card?

[Teknobry]

Its an ok card, but if I were you I'd go for the 8800GT 512mb. It can't be much more expensive than the 3870. ($260 on newegg for 8800GT)

[engagequadlaser]

Seconding the 8800GT, it's apparently all the rage, best price and quality performance.

[seanistehpwnzor]

Hmm I guess you guys can be right but I personally like ATI. 8800GT is a very good video card but I already ordered it lol and I just wanted to see how it goes. If it doesn't go down right then I guess I'll have to buy the 8800! Thank you!

[Teknobry]

...
Did you not read any reviews and benchmarks of the card? Like I say, its ok, but fails in almost every test against the 8800GT.

[Clamzoni_of_RI]

Wow, he likes ATI over Nvidia. Thats epiC PhaIL. 8800 SERIES FOR TEH WIN! I'm pimpin the original 8800 gts from BFG myself.

[seanistehpwnzor]

how am i fail? i just like ATI. nothing wrong with it.

[Tarron]

i like results

[squerl]

8800GT = best value.

[hool10]

how am i fail? i just like ATI. nothing wrong with it.
1) You fail at failing. It's "How did I fail?" not "How am i fail?".
2) ATI has shitty drivers and are usually slow on the latest ones.
3) They cost more than NVIDIA.
4) They are MUCH more poorer performance wise.
5) It seems like you just randomly made this thread because you won't take our advice anyways.
6) Warranty is pitiful on ATI.
7) They consume more power and get more hot and take up more space.
8) An even cheaper and more powerfull card than even the 8800 Ultra is coming out very soon: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ zOSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== (http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQzOSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==)
9) You fail because you commit to just one brand.
10) You fail to notice that they suck so much they were bought out by AMD and now they both are shitier than ever before.

I know so because I had an 9800 PRO and X800XL. Now I got an 8800GTX and it's a very good card.
Comparing your card to a GT: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?m odelx=33&model1=1060&model2=1057&chart=318 (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1060&model2=1057&chart=318)

[engagequadlaser]

Anyone able to recommend a video card upgrade from my X1900 XT, when all I have is a PCI express x16 slot?

[seanistehpwnzor]

wow you people are making a big deal on issues of ATI. I have a fully built computer with AMD and ATI. My card is x850XT and I can run crysis on medium settings with 15-20 fps. I dont care if Nvidia has better quality or w/e Ive seen those cards fry and shit. I just prefer ATI.

3) They cost more than NVIDIA.

now thats a load of shit
7) They consume more power and get more hot and take up more space.

and so is this

[engagequadlaser]

wow you people are making a big deal on issues of ATI. I have a fully built computer with AMD and ATI. My card is x850XT and I can run crysis on medium settings with 15-20 fps. I dont care if Nvidia has better quality or w/e Ive seen those cards fry and shit. I just prefer ATI.

That's great. Just don't be surprised when people call you an idiot because you'd rather have a brand just because of it's name instead of actual performance benefits. Because you are.

[seanistehpwnzor]

That's great. Just don't be surprised when people call you an idiot because you'd rather have a brand just because of it's name instead of actual performance benefits. Because you are.

wow this isnt even about my freaking card! Stop being fanboys and post your opinions SOMEWHERE ELSE >:[

[engagequadlaser]

wow this isnt even about my freaking card! Stop being fanboys and post your opinions SOMEWHERE ELSE >:[

We can't help it. While the rest of the world is willing to go with the card with the most actual benefit, whether it's nvidia today or ati tomorrow, you're going with the verifiably worse card because of some words on it.

What time does the short bus pick you up tomorrow?

[seanistehpwnzor]

5) It seems like you just randomly made this thread because you won't take our advice anyways.

and to this. I wasnt asking for advice in the first place. learn to read. K thanx

[seanistehpwnzor]

We can't help it. While the rest of the world is willing to go with the card with the most actual benefit, whether it's nvidia today or ati tomorrow, you're going with the verifiably worse card because of some words on it.

What time does the short bus pick you up tomorrow?

words? How would you possible know this is the worst card on the market. please show me evidence you know this so much.

And I'm not buying it because of words, its because my oldest brother is using it and it works just fine. I'm not even looking for extreme gaming anyways, I'm just looking for a card update and I'm not up to Nvidia.

[engagequadlaser]

words? How would you possible know this is the worst card on the market. please show me evidence you know this so much.

And I'm not buying it because of words, its because my oldest brother is using it and it works just fine. I'm not even looking for extreme gaming anyways, I'm just looking for a card update and I'm not up to Nvidia.

Oh no, it's definitely not the worst. It's just not as good as something you could've spent less money on. If your parents weren't the ones buying it for you, you'd be a little more disconcerted by that, but that's still a few more years down the road I gather ^_^

[Skeetles]

Geeze guys, pick on the kid some more...

[seanistehpwnzor]

Oh no, it's definitely not the worst. It's just not as good as something you could've spent less money on. If your parents weren't the ones buying it for you, you'd be a little more disconcerted by that, but that's still a few more years down the road I gather ^_^

i'm spending 249...8800gt is 269....hmmm

[seanistehpwnzor]

whoa..i can totally buy this card... @_@
URL (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150252)
but im not cause im getting this one.
URL (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129100)

[Asura]

So I'm running my current computer now with a ATI X850XT Series

I have exactly same card on my comp atm =O
i need a new one tough. But ordered that monitor "what comes to me todey"

[seanistehpwnzor]

I have exactly same cards on my compu atm =O

great little cards arent they? haha

[mAzZa]

I actually have the e-Geforce 8800 GTS 512mb because it came with Crysis which I also wanted to buy so the card really cost me $20 more than the 8800 GT. Figured I might as well get the extra unnoticeable 20MHz and the extra 18 stream processors. Fortunately EVGA has a step-up program so when the GeForce cards are out and after I have seen some convincing benchmarks, I will most likely "step-up".

Could someone possibly know anything about this card?
I am sorry, I do not know anything about that card. I do not feel like downgrading to a lesser performacing card and brand. ATI/AMD have lost their place has number #1.

Next time don't say "Getting" in your topic because it also means that you are thinking about it. Just say "Got" or "Gotten".

I have never been a big fan of ATI. Their video card drivers are just plain... crap. I have warned a friend about it before he purchased a DIAMOND Viper Radeon HD 3870 512MB just because Counter-Strike: Source is optimized and runs best on ATI. He made a foolish mistake and now I will let him notice that it is not that good.

Like I said before, I must say that ATI/AMD have been going downhill for quite awhile. Intel has released the new 45nm processors which has set AMD processors to greater shame. People have already overclocked the Intel C2D 8500 (Stock 3.16GHz) to 4000GHz ~ 5500 GHz. The current Intel C2Q are obliterating the AMD Phenoms. On another note, Intel is also about to release their new 45nm Quad Cores. Intel is leaving AMD in the dust.

[Teknobry]

My card is x850XT and I can run crysis on medium settings with 15-20 fps.

15-20fps? That must jerk around like a parkinsons sufferer with epilepsy.

[hool10]

Yeah I'm not even going to talk in this thread anymore. This kid doesn't want our advice after clearly making a thread asking for advice on the product and buying it anyways before reading what we said, based on a brand. As to you saying ATI doesn't consume more power (which creates heat also decreasing OC power): http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ hd_3800/page18.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_hd_3800/page18.html)
It's noisier: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ hd_3800/page19.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_hd_3800/page19.html)
Also the GT is a one slot solution while the HD 3870 cooling fan takes up 2 slots: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ hd_3800/page7.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_hd_3800/page7.html)
I don't know how you can call us fanboys when we are clearly stating that we don't care for brands, have reviews and provide the evidence. It's all for what? Like $20 extra with a lifetime warranty and a free Crysis game for the GT.

[engagequadlaser]

Still hoping for a recommendation on a good card given I only have a PCI-E x16 slot, halp :(

Edit - nevermind, I'm so out of the loop. Apparently all pci 2.0 cards are backwards compatible, thus an 8800gt would work just fine for me. Go performance!

[Teknobry]

Still hoping for a recommendation on a good card given I only have a PCI-E x16 slot, halp :(

Was going to say...wtf are you on about? lol.

Get the GT :D

[engagequadlaser]

Get the GT :D

As someone who doesn't have downs syndrome, I plan to ;)

[FRAGious]

Yeah I'm not even going to talk in this thread anymore. This kid doesn't want our advice after clearly making a thread asking for advice on the product and buying it anyways before reading what we said, based on a brand. As to you saying ATI doesn't consume more power (which creates heat also decreasing OC power): http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_) hd_3800/page18.html
It's noisier: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_) hd_3800/page19.html
Also the GT is a one slot solution while the HD 3870 cooling fan takes up 2 slots: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_) hd_3800/page7.html
I don't know how you can call us fanboys when we are clearly stating that we don't care for brands, have reviews and provide the evidence. It's all for what? Like $20 extra with a lifetime warranty and a free Crysis game for the GT.

"I don't like him very muuuch... Let's Kill Him!" -Kung Pow
Truly wise words spoken...

[seanistehpwnzor]

Yeah I'm not even going to talk in this thread anymore. This kid doesn't want our advice after clearly making a thread asking for advice on the product and buying it anyways before reading what we said, based on a brand. As to you saying ATI doesn't consume more power (which creates heat also decreasing OC power): http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_) hd_3800/page18.html
It's noisier: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_) hd_3800/page19.html
Also the GT is a one slot solution while the HD 3870 cooling fan takes up 2 slots: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_) hd_3800/page7.html
I don't know how you can call us fanboys when we are clearly stating that we don't care for brands, have reviews and provide the evidence. It's all for what? Like $20 extra with a lifetime warranty and a free Crysis game for the GT.

i know im done with this thread but clearly that doesnt prove anything. and not trying to start anything but its been clearly proven the gt uses more power than the 3870, that shit you've gotten is a load of crap.

[asu]

does Newegg.com deliver to european coutrys aswell or the US only?????????????
because 8800GT = not available in europe

[seanistehpwnzor]

does Newegg.com deliver to european coutrys aswell or the US only?????????????
because 8800GT = not available in europe

i think it can be delivered. check it out if it can. http://www.newegg.com/

[asu]

already checked it myself...its pointless. The 8800GT will be here in between march and april I guess. My chances to get a new rig before L4D releases are lower than low...
FUCK!!

[FRAGious]

My chances to get a new rig before L4D releases are lower than low...

Don't worry about it, asu. I'm buying a brand new rig before L4D as well... And I'm also waiting for the 8800 GT... It seems that L4D won't come until Q2 but I'm confident the GT will get back on stock before that time. And before a Q1 release as well...

[Atari]

I don't want to get involved with any arguments in this thread, but I have to agree that getting a card thats proven to be considerably less powerful, hotter and nosier that the other seems a little bit nuts to say the least.

I used to be an big Ati fan, mainly because of their 9800pro which I loved (including the drivers) and this was the only time in the Ati vs Nvidia wars where Ati over took Nvidia imo.

All in all, I've owned many graphics cards - starting with a Voodoo 2 waaaaayyyyy back in the day and I've built more PCs than I care to remember. I've never seen a single problem with Nvidia cards that have been treated properly, but I can say, hand on heart, that I've had many problems with Ati cards....from hardware to drivers.

I hate market dominance but Nvidia are pure class right now. Similar to Intel vs AMD in the CPU market....right now I'd choose Nvidia over Ati, and Intel over AMD. It just makes sense.

Take a look here for a chart showing the difference (approx 10%) (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1060&model2=1057&chart=314)

Best of luck.

[Master_Bungle]

because 8800GT = not available in europe
Wrong! I have just ordered one from... BT Shop!
http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx= 4S0H (http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4S0H)
Well, it was ordered until the delivery company didn't deliver it... Kept it for a while and sent it back to BT Shop. So I have to order it again... Although I think I have already said this on a different thread...

Edit: And I just noticed that it will be another 1-2 weeks before they get one in again... Bastard delivery company. I could have had it on Christmas if they had actually delivered it. That was my Christmas present! ARG! xO

[Stickgore]

Lol my Graphics card is a Geforce 5000 I think, its shit.

[frogopus]

The OP did not ask which card is better, he asked for information regarding the card because he seems to have already bought it. If he doesn't want to follow the "send it back and get nvidia" route, lets actually focus on the topic and not turn it into a spec war. If you have nothing to contribute about this specific card, try not to post.

[Atari]

My impression was he/she hadn't bought it yet :/

Anyway, if we had to stick to what he/she asked, the only answer would be "yes"!

I'm buying the Radeon VisionTek HD 3870. Could someone possibly know anything about this card?

:p

[engagequadlaser]

Anyway, if we had to stick to what he/she asked, the only answer would be "yes"!

Pretty much. In fact, I think the only correct response to:

I'm buying the Radeon VisionTek HD 3870. Could someone possibly know anything about this card?

would be

<div class="quote">It's not as good as the 8800gt.</div>

[seanistehpwnzor]

The OP did not ask which card is better, he asked for information regarding the card because he seems to have already bought it. If he doesn't want to follow the &quot;send it back and get nvidia&quot; route, lets actually focus on the topic and not turn it into a spec war. If you have nothing to contribute about this specific card, try not to post.


thank you Frogopus.

[mAzZa]

No one would know about it on these forums because all the people here are smart enough to buy a higher performing card which does not come with shitty drivers. Sorry, might want to try a different forum.

[engagequadlaser]

Might I recommend forums.worldofwarcraft.com

[Shrubberyjsc]

Might I recommend forums.worldofwarcraft.com

Wow. Don't be so harsh to the new people, guys.

<=/

[Big_Bubbaloola]

Right I think this thread has come to the end of it's useful (?) life, can one of the mods shut it down please.

[boomers but crack]

because all the people here are smart enough

COUGH COUGH SPLUTTER! maybe to whipe their own ring pieces once and awhile by the look of some of these posts.

Now I currently have a 7950gt 512mb and one of my friends recently got a 8600gts back in september and recently another of my friends got a 3850 512mb under my advice which he got for a lower price than the GTS btw, it whoops nVidia in value for money and the drivers are stable!

Now I agree that the 8800gt is a better choice vs the 3870 but only slightly, if he wants an ATI I say go for it I see no reason why not as it's only slightly worse in general performance and if you work it out the performance for money ratio is around the same.

I think one of the best choices for the money is the 3850 512mb it's better than nVidias offerings in that price range. With the money you save you could upgrade to a g100 or r700 later and it's more than enough performance for current games! it kicks the shit out of my 7950 512mb anyway. Which runs TF2 at top settings so I'm sure it will run L4D at max.

People try and not forget that the 8800gt, gts512 and gt256 all have availability problems. Try and not be blinded by your passion for the green falice of glory!

[seanistehpwnzor]

thank you Boomers But Crack and please yes a moderator please shut it down before Maza and the others bash me even more because of a video card i bought..

[Tarron]

if your happy with it sean thats all that matters. ive paid the price with sticking with brands before in the past.

[seanistehpwnzor]

yeah im happy with the card, works perfectly.

[engagequadlaser]

Now I currently have a 7950gt 512mb and one of my friends recently got a 8600gts back in september and recently another of my friends got a 3850 512mb under my advice which he got for a lower price than the GTS btw, it whoops nVidia in value for money and the drivers are stable!

Pertinent cards to that partciular discussion are highlighted in blue.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?m odelx=33&model1=1058&model2=1061&chart=277 (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1058&model2=1061&chart=277)

If logic and reasoning won't work with the OP, then perhaps actual charts and numbers will.
OP's card vs. 8800GT highlighted in blue in this chart.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?m odelx=33&model1=1060&model2=1057&chart=277 (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1060&model2=1057&chart=277)

Clearly though, it's not worth the extra $20 :)

[seanistehpwnzor]

Clearly though, it's not worth the extra $20 :)

why do you constantly still argue that the card is a piece of shit, drop it and get on with life and stop being a fan boy. it's only 249.99 stop bashing! >:[

[engagequadlaser]

why do you constantly still argue that the card is a piece of shit

It's not a piece of shit by any means. It's just a waste of money.

drop it and get on with life and stop being a fan boy. it's only 249.99 stop bashing! >:[


fanboy
423 up, 112 down


1. A person who is completely loyal to a game, product or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.

[boomers but crack]

Clearly though, it's not worth the extra $20 :)
I never said it wasn't, but if your gonna post benches bias towards nvidia then how about this.

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option= com_content&task=view&id=490&Itemid=27&limit=1&lim itstart=5 (http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=490&Itemid=27&limit=1&limitstart=5)

OOh wow a 3850 beating a 8800gt 512mb damn......

ATI beats out the GT on that particular bench with AA off but with it on it loses. Funny how tomshardware doesn't have any benches showing this at a higher res, because at high resolutions AA becomes redundant. So if you have a nice 22'' 24'' widescreen ATI starts becoming more tempting.

But I see by your posts you can think of nothing but the 8800gt on a 17inch monitor :P

[engagequadlaser]

I'll believe that the 3850 (or ati in general) are the more worthwhile purchase when they can outperform nvidia consistently over a broad spectrum of tests, resolution and quality settings, instead of in one particular benchmark in a game from several years ago under one circumstance which is favorable solely to ati cards.

The big picture? Nvidia cards's outperforming ati's current gen cards over a broad spectrum of resolutions, AA &amp; AF settings across multiple benchmark utilities. And I'm not an nvidia fanboy, the card I have in my system right now is an X1900 XT. I just acknowledge when a company is doing a better job than its competition. And right now, that's nvidia.

[boomers but crack]

That was just an example of a bias ATI benchmark my point is that ATI can offer a good alternative, take the 3850 which does beat the NVIDIA offerings in that price range and does execel on some high none AA benchmarks.

I just think flamming some ones buying decision is harsh especially since in some areas it does have merit, gennerally thats not so much you engage but other people calling him stupid is stupid in its self and once again I must point out that the 8800GT is in short supply and that ATI is by no means the wrong choice.

Edit: also it depends on what games you play, I play mostly source and U3 engine games which ATI performs pretty well on.

Edit: btw forgot to post this on too http://en.expreview.com/?p=53

[seanistehpwnzor]

Edit: also it depends on what games you play, I play mostly source and U3 engine games which ATI performs pretty well on.

that is why i stick with ati because i only stick with source..and ive tried U3 great game.

[hool10]

NVIDIA just put a great offer out for NVIDIA customers. If you have an NVIDIA card, then you get Portal: First Slice, Peggle Extreme, HL2:DM, and HL2: Lost Coast for free. Also Valve has quit their contract with AMD (aka ATI) www.steamgames.com/nvidia1 (http://www.steamgames.com/nvidia1)

[boomers but crack]

So a demo, another demo, HL2:DM and a tech demo....

[engagequadlaser]

So a demo, another demo, HL2:DM and a tech demo....

As opposed to...no demo, no demo, nothing and nothing?

[boomers but crack]

As opposed to...no demo, no demo, nothing and nothing?

lol whatever, yes i'm so glad I get a bunch of demos i mean their so hard to come by in this day and age. Thank god I have my geeeeeeeeForce!

[Skeetles]

&quot;More Steam gamers, including myself, play on NVIDIA hardware than any other GPU,&quot; said Doug Lombardi, vice president of marketing at Valve. &quot;That's a testament to the company's long history of innovation and quality. By working together with NVIDIA to expand our development, distribution, and marketing efforts, we're increasing our ability to serve the millions of NVIDIA customers logging onto Steam and help us prepare for our next generation of content.&quot;

&quot;Valve's endorsement of our technology and tools is yet another example of how the world's leading gaming companies are working with NVIDIA,&quot; said Roy Taylor, vice president of content relations at NVIDIA. &quot;Portal is the hottest new, award-winning title from Valve, and we're delighted that Valve will offer First Slice exclusively to GeForce customers.&quot;

[boomers but crack]

The more nvidia endorsements people post the less respect I have for the companys involved.... PLEASE STOP this thread is horrible lock it already!

OMG i can't believe you take any companys marketing at their word you truly define the word naïve! no offence......

[Tarron]

i <3 voodoo

[hool10]

OMG i can't believe you take any companys marketing at their word you truly define the word naïve! no offence....
Nah we just like making fun of dumb nubs. :D Over 9% of Steam customers own an NVIDIA 8800 series GPU: http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html So are you saying Valve is lying?

[Skeetles]

NO BUT WE ARE STUPID FOR SPREADING THESE LIES! WHY WOULD VALVE MAKE THE SOURCE ENGINE RUN BETTER ON NVIDIA CARDS?!?!??!?!? IT MAKES NO SENSE!>>!>!>!??!~??

I AM SO NAIVE KILL ME NOW

[boomers but crack]

hool10 your response says it all about how smart you are. My god it's a wonder how your heart even beats. Anyway wasted too much time on here.

L8ers too any one who has half a brain.

EDIT: SKeet again i was talking about marketing spin, you should run for president i'm sure your brighter than bush.

[Skeetles]

boomers you are so smart you should shoot yourself.

&quot;Company said it, must be some lie marketing cooked up&quot;

just like when they said Radeon cards would run hl2 better!

but oh wait, Radeon cards did run hl2 better!!!

[Shrubberyjsc]

Huh, well as &quot;lively&quot; as this is...

You know you can close it yourself, seanistehpwnzor?

Simply click &quot;Lock Topic&quot;

[seanistehpwnzor]

Huh, well as &quot;lively&quot; as this is...

You know you can close it yourself, seanistehpwnzor?

Simply click &quot;Lock Topic&quot;


thanks :D I'm new :P totally just found out.