Not fair..

[Pain]

Why does the handgun have a mag-capacity of 15 rounds when it really should just be 7? And why does both the M16 and UZI have mags of 50 rounds when they really should be 30. Not to mention that the Mini-14 probably also has a larger mag then it really should have.

But my point is - I'm not really hating on the fact that this weapons pack a far more bigger magazine-sizes then they should have. No, I'm upset over the fact that the shotguns are the 2 only guns with authentic magazine-capacities. 8 shells for the pump, and 7 for the semi-auto? come one! and all the other weapons get so much more?? Not fair!! :(

Up the mag-capacities for the shotguns, I say..

[dontleave]

Old.

Drum Mags.

Game.

[Teknobry]

Best not buy the game then.

[Jim_Riley]

Pain, I've followed your rants for sometime and I have to say that you're really beginning to become a pain in the ass. :|

You bitch about everything. EVERYTHING SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT.

[Psyche]

I come to the conclusion that, nobody cares. The ammo spread is fine. Why would you want more then 8 shotgun shells in one reload, that would be unfair, that's like. 'LOL I can kill a fucking tank without reloading... Watch!' Everything so far is fine, but best not jump to conclusion, wait till the game comes out before judging it.

[ShadowSlayer7]

I come to the conclusion that, nobody cares. The ammo spread is fine. Why would you want more then 8 shotgun shells in one reload, that would be unfair, that's like. 'LOL I can kill a fucking tank without reloading... Watch!' Everything so far is fine, but best not jump to conclusion, wait till the game comes out before judging it.


Pain, I've followed your rants for sometime and I have to say that you're really beginning to become a pain in the ass. :|

You bitch about everything. EVERYTHING SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT.

lol its true

[globalenjoi]

Okay, I was gonna write some long thing about how this is a retarded suggestion, but the other posts here do a great job for me =D

Also, it seems kinda retarded to me to make suggestions about small things like this, if you haven't played the game yet and have yet to experience the way it is now. You can't exactly say its good or bad if you've not tested it out. (At least in terms of this suggestion)

[Clamzoni_of_RI]

They probably tried having the guns have real life size clips, but found that you had to reload too nad would get constantly raped. Plus, then you'd have to carry a ton more ammo (seperate mags), or tey'd have to scatter more ammo about the map. In what city are random M-16 clips found on the street.

Having large clip sizes is while somewhat rediculous ( as it doesn't show drum magazines being loaded, but good point), but much better than having like 20 mags on your person.

[Punisher 36O]

Why

ummm, its a game. no doubt the best game this year, and when there are so manny infected running towards you and you say the words, "Sigh, i have way to manny bullets in my mag right now" the others in your team will kill you in real life for caring about shit that doesnt matter.

[Clamzoni_of_RI]

ummm, its a game. no doubt the best game this year, and when there are so manny infected running towards you and you say the words, "Sigh, i have way to manny bullets in my mag right now" the others in your team will kill you in real life for caring about shit that doesnt matter.

Well said.

[frogopus]

I think what it probably came down to is the developers having to decide whether they wanted to tweak the guns or the number of zombies. Not concerning yourself with realistic mags gives you an easy variable to fiddle with for balance. Most would like to see realistic mags, but I don't know if they'd choose that over more zombies.

Same goes for weapon to weapon balance. Ammo is an easy variable.

[tripp36]

in a very very very tiny small way it sucks..(i love shotguns)

[Sifer2]

I agree actually. Right now the machine guns look too good in comparison. Especially since things seem to die in one or two shots. So a 50 shot mag will level a whole crowd of infected no teamwork required.

[Jim_Riley]

Up the difficulty and tell me then how many shots it takes to kill the infected :)

Seriously, hasn't it been said that difficulty increase will cause them to take more hits?

[GuStick]

wow who cares,u have hundreds of infected in every scenario where their only goal is to rip you apart,i think having extra ammo is fine.
Although im always using the shotgun,dont care about the ammo,i just cant wait to shoot up some infected scum ! Close range and personal :)

[Shrubberyjsc]

8 shells for the pump, and 7 for the semi-auto? come one! and all the other weapons get so much more?? Not fair!! :(

Up the mag-capacities for the shotguns, I say..


Erm, what?

If you mean the auto shotgun, you are confused. When I played it had over 10. Twelve shells if memory serves.

;)

[Dead Fish]

Twelve shells if memory serves.

That's cool actually. In CoD4 the auto shotgun has only 4 shells, which was a letdown for me, because I wanted to use it for those hectic 20 people Free-For-All matches, usually played on maps fitting 10. :P

[MonsterR89]

I believe I've suggested this before. Some one (dev or modder) should create the realistic difficulty, where everything is realistic and anal retentive... just like this topic.

[GamerKing]

dude, you complain about this in a games forum about RB six vegas or vegas 2 where it F***ing matters!

[Velis]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7926/45bk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

*cough* especially take a look at the different magazines on the table, btw this is a colt 0.45 with custom-modification. 15 shot magazine was used by someone at that time the photo was taken.

Get the point? Just ask your local weapon retailer whats possible.

Back on topic I would say as long as 50 shots with uzi are balanced ingame, compared with 7 shot shotguns its fine for me.

[Pain]

I see that about 90% of the readers got it all wrong... what have I said about reading this things carefully and not jumping the gun?

I'm NOT really hating on the fact that this weapons pack a far more bigger magazine-sizes then they should have. - reading is teh hard?

No, as I said. I think it's not fair that all other weapons, expect the shotguns, get this pimped out magazines that carry unbelievable so much ammo. and the 2 shotguns in this game are stuck with this tiny, wimpy magazine-caps. I want the shotguns to get pimped out mag-capacities too. That's all. Don't know how you all missed it..



To Shrubberyjsc:
No, I really mean "semi-auto", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Super_90

Well, I'm not calling you a liar, Shrubberyjsc. it's just that I've seen the semi-auto shotgun in action in one of the many videos out there. And when the person ran out of all his shells (he had 7 shells to begin with) and started reloaded it, it only went up to 7 shells (again)... and to show you that I'm not lieing to you: http://media.pc.ign.com/media/818/818215/vid_20783 36.html (http://media.pc.ign.com/media/818/818215/vid_2078336.html)

Although, it probably, most certainly, was footage of the early versions of L4D so you could be very right in your statement. and IF you are, then as Diabolic Forelle delicately put it; That's cool.

Only the pump-shotgun left then...

[dontleave]

You realize you load shells right into the shotgun right? That alone makes any of your arguements useless. "OH NOZ, WHY NO SHOTGUN PIMPED?!" It's not like you use the 8, reload for 2 seconds, get mauled by zombies. More like you use a couple, feed shells, use more, feed shells, use more, feed shells. etc.

And Shrubs already said there's more than 10 shells. Topic over.

[frogopus]

Up the difficulty and tell me then how many shots it takes to kill the infected :)

Seriously, hasn't it been said that difficulty increase will cause them to take more hits?
No it hasn't. They do more damage.

The weapons feel balanced, shotgun can be fed like dontleave says and are more useful on the run.

[krar_kanz]

theres one big point your missing in regards to balance between the shotguns and the rifles, accuracy. It has said that your accuracy is going to plumet if you are not standing still while shooting so you could be running for your life and empty a whole magazine of rifle ammo and only take out a handfull of infected, but with the shotgun, as i understand it, you can actualy hit things while running because its just basicaly point barrel in general direction of enemy and pull the trigger and the spread should take care of the rest.

[squerl]

Yeah, what dontleave said. Shotguns can have a single shell reloaded at a time.

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

thats right

[Reptile]

thats right

Like you know anything about anything! >.<

[Armored_Zombie_Cow]

Yeah, what dontleave said. Shotguns can have a single shell reloaded at a time.
yeah, that enough makes it fair

[josko]

I don't care, 15 round mags here and 50 round mags there.. Only if they added a machine gun like the m60 with 100 round magazine for like cover up fire or like a award weapon, Then it would be really nice, I mean come on, It's a game, not real life, and If you go too far to make everything so god damn ' realastic ' Then it will only be bullcrap out of it. But I do agree, Sometimes it must be a bit realastic, But hell, In hl1 the mp5 had 50 rounds so who cares ^^ Oh, Pain cares... sorry forgot that! Then I hope they fix your lill prob ;d But they'll prob never do that. * Sigh *

[Puscifer]

You will be glad u have that many bullets in your mag when your playing the game trust me!

If they were like real guns, you would be re-loading waaaay too much and get f**ked by normal infected:O

[Xnodas]

Heres the reason why the magazines are the way they are:

BALANCE!!

It is a game. The guns do damage, too many bullets means to much damage for a single reload, too little means that the survivors won't survive. Thats why the autos have increased mag sizes. The shotgun doesn't because they made it do MORE damage. Too many bullets in a shogun would allow you to do too much damage to a tank or to a huge group of infected wihtout reloading. Plus as said before you can feed the shells in the shotgun one at a time if you want.

[caboos]

But my point is - I'm not really hating on the fact that this weapons pack a far more bigger magazine-sizes then they should have. No, I'm upset over the fact that the shotguns are the 2 only guns with authentic magazine-capacities. 8 shells for the pump, and 7 for the semi-auto? come one! and all the other weapons get so much more?? Not fair!! :(
for balance, if the m16 had A 30 round clip it would be useless, if the shotgun had a higher compasity then it would be way over powered.

[josko]

f**ked by normal infected

FUCKED is the word we all search for ^__^