The Newest Changes to L4D [Archive]

Shrubberyjsc

03-01-2008, 05:17 PM

I've tried to compile a list of all the changes that have happened to L4D here, and I want to ask you all what you think of them.

*Boomer explosion might not do damage now

*Hunter can't go invisible

*Pick survivor skin? "You pick which of the amusing character skins you want to occupy, choose your weapon..."

Personally, all I care about is balance. If these changes are necessary for balance, so be it.

Thoughts?

Stubbs

03-01-2008, 05:20 PM

where did you hear that the boomers explosion wont do damage

squerl

03-01-2008, 05:21 PM

Boomer NEEDS to have a damage component to the explosion, I would really want for it to scale with the difficulty mode where on normal it does almost nothing and on insane it does more than it has in the past.

Hunter change is good, I don't like hiding or having to wait for stealth. I think it'll result in a more active play experience, and it's also cool that you crouch/crawl around to build up your meter. I think it'll be a cool feeling crouch stalking a group and then jumping out at the last moment.

I like picking Survivor skin. I'll always pick Zoey so I'm not distracted during gameplay.

Shrubberyjsc

03-01-2008, 05:24 PM

I can't remember where I heard that boomer might not do damage, I think it might have been from squerl in the chat.

I'll always pick Zoey so I'm not distracted during gameplay.

I loled.

GearsOfWar12

03-01-2008, 06:08 PM

Boomer explosions are good for me. Im admitting it. Im a noob. all the help I can get :D
Im just excited for this game. I think they should add a little damage, because they dont do that much damage to you, because they are fat.

Mustacio

03-01-2008, 10:16 PM

I can't remember where I heard that boomer might not do damage, I think it might have been from squerl in the chat.

i think they don't do splash damage anymore, but they said that wen it blows up it covers everyone in its radius with vomit (which attracts zombies). so if u are getting bombarded with zombies and a boomer comes and it blows up, expect to be bombarded with more zombies. so even without the damage, total hell will be unleashed if it explodes next to your group.

FRAGious

03-01-2008, 10:50 PM

Obviously, they tested the balance and the Boomer came off a little overpowered. I could imagine, because he can attract some serious mass of Infected. And it won't be THAT hard to vomit on the Survivors more than once without getting blown up.
They should release some Gameplay Footage. They probably will soon. As Mr. Awesome said, Valve is working on the HUD. So it's probably gonna be way different than what we've seen. Or maybe it's just the Infected Bosses' HUD. I really like the Survivors' HUD as it is.

asu

03-02-2008, 12:44 AM

The boomer still does explosion damage. It is just that he additionaly covers you in vomit.

In the past: Explosion only (with splash damage).

Now: Explosion (still with splash damage) PLUS vomit flying everywhere.

LeTrompe

03-02-2008, 12:49 AM

Boomers explode when shot, which, when we played the infected side last year, only did splash damage. Now, if a survivor is close enough, he'll get coated with ooze after the monster detonates.

Boomers still do splash damage, but now also coat survivors with ooze. Somebody just doesn't know how to read.

Dead Fish

03-02-2008, 01:50 AM

Hmm, I think the Hunter will be very stealthy, even without cloak. Also, I trust in TRS to create some good hiding spots for the Hunter so he can generally scare the Survivors shitless a good amount of times.

I was really looking forward to playing the Boomer and his exploding belly, so it's kind of sad, that they removed the splash damage. Didn't squerl confirm this by contacting IGN?
They could balance it in such a way that the strength of his explosion is relative to the amount his vomit attack is currently charged. So if he just vomited 5 seconds ago, and then dies, the explosion would be weaker, which is also somewhat logical. Anyways, they need to add some kind of damage effect...

Atari

03-02-2008, 04:01 AM

*Pick survivor skin?

I'm confused with this one, and I don't remember them saying anything had changed?

Isn't "Pick survivor skin" exactly the same as picking one of the 4 characters as before?

Gforcemember45

03-02-2008, 04:28 AM

it was random who you had before.

Atari

03-02-2008, 04:32 AM

Ahhh, with you now.

Party on Wayne.

KashMunni

03-02-2008, 04:39 AM

I was really looking forward to playing the Boomer and his exploding belly, so it's kind of sad, that they removed the splash damage. Didn't squerl confirm this by contacting IGN?
They could balance it in such a way that the strength of his explosion is relative to the amount his vomit attack is currently charged. So if he just vomited 5 seconds ago, and then dies, the explosion would be weaker, which is also somewhat logical. Anyways, they need to add some kind of damage effect...

Yeah, I rly wasn't expecting that they'd take away the Boomer's exploding belly and splash damage..

Hope they do something with the Boomer to make up for it =/

Jim_Riley

03-02-2008, 05:01 AM

Now: Explosion (still with splash damage) PLUS vomit flying everywhere

So, you get damaged from a blast AND have to deal with a swarm of infected?

Brutal! :D

Xnodas

03-02-2008, 05:02 AM

Quoting: Dead Fish
I was really looking forward to playing the Boomer and his exploding belly, so it's kind of sad, that they removed the splash damage. Didn't squerl confirm this by contacting IGN?
They could balance it in such a way that the strength of his explosion is relative to the amount his vomit attack is currently charged. So if he just vomited 5 seconds ago, and then dies, the explosion would be weaker, which is also somewhat logical. Anyways, they need to add some kind of damage effect...

Yeah, I rly wasn't expecting that they'd take away the Boomer's exploding belly and splash damage..

Hope they do something with the Boomer to make up for it =/

OMG to the both of you. READ!! how are you still confused? The boomer does splash damage. Squerl posted in here saying:
Boomer NEEDS to have a damage component to the explosion, I would really want for it to scale with the difficulty mode where on normal it does almost nothing and on insane it does more than it has in the past.
I'm seconds away from making a topic that says the Boomer has splash damage.
I hope I just missed something in a different topic, and I look like a jackass right cause wow

Atari

03-02-2008, 05:09 AM

Xnodas, the key word here is 'damage'. It's been changed (afaik) so that the boomer's guts land on the player causing zero damage.

However, if infected 'are' about, then they'll cause the damage.

frogopus

03-02-2008, 05:42 AM

Seems people are still confused about this. It has been confirmed by a dev that the Boomer no longer explodes and causes damage. Instead, the explosion functions just like his vomit.

Punisher 36O

03-02-2008, 06:04 AM

:O noooooo

the splash damage was pro, and didnt seem to do much damage anyway, why they drop it?

Atari

03-02-2008, 06:21 AM

Jesus told them to

Reptile

03-02-2008, 06:22 AM

*Pick survivor skin?

I want it to be random, like it used to be.

Me also wants that the boomers go boom-boom and do splash-splash damage, and splat goo-goo on survivors!

Xnodas

03-02-2008, 06:35 AM

Seems people are still confused about this. It has been confirmed by a dev that the Boomer no longer explodes and causes damage. Instead, the explosion functions just like his vomit.
Ah, so I did look like a jackass, right on. My apologies.

So the IGN article was a little miss leading. That sux that the Boomer doesn't do any damage.

squerl

03-02-2008, 08:16 AM

Ok, I've edited the news article and hopefully this clears things up:

"The IGN article states that the Boomer now causes splash damage and at the same time causes nearby Survivors to get "puke" on them, just like the usual Boomer vomit attack. We've been told the developers have been working on this aspect, and have even fiddled with not having any splash damage at all. This is a recent change, and while we understand how beneficial it could be to alleviate headaches, we would REALLY like to see splash damage in the higher difficulties."

Clamzoni_of_RI

03-02-2008, 08:53 AM

Thanks for clearing things up for us Squerl. Personally, I think the Boomer should deal a moderate amount of Splash Damage when he blows up. It really adds another facet to Left 4 Dead's almost perfect diamond.

Xerosnake90

03-02-2008, 10:58 AM

Boomer now spews vomit stuff everywhere when he explodes, and he also explodes now when you jump from great heights. Remember when this site was made, that was one of the things they said was taken advantage of alot.

OBLITROX

03-02-2008, 11:06 AM

That sux that the Boomer doesn't do any damage.

Melee.

arsis

03-02-2008, 11:06 AM

"You pick which of the amusing character skins you want to occupy, choose your weapon..."

i distinctly remember from an interview with mike that you dont get to choose who you are so theres no arguing or unfairness in anyones eyes. but i guess theyve changed their minds...its better to join a server having no idea what character you will be.

Dead Fish

03-02-2008, 11:09 AM

Then again, as stated by other people, it's nice to use the same character model every time you play with your friends or clanmates. That way you will always remeber who is who. Either way, I don't mind so much, since Francis will not be chosen as often as the others anyways. ^_^

edit:
*500th post* Yay! \o/

USS_Stud

03-02-2008, 11:46 AM

Damn. I've missed a lot.

dontleave

03-02-2008, 12:28 PM

There's also apparently different skins per character. Louis with or without hoody is the most apparent.

Jim_Riley

03-02-2008, 12:32 PM

There's also apparently different skins per character. Louis with or without hoody is the most apparent.

Hmmm...

I'm just tossing this out into the dark but what if you have a chance to involve a slight bit of customization with each skin? Like, for each level you don't automatically have a set skin but you can choose the style. (In Louis' case, a hoody with that strap there or his typical jacket)

I'm not saying that's particularily awesome but maybe they went into that direction?

Clamzoni_of_RI

03-02-2008, 01:26 PM

I want Louis with the SAS uniform from CS:S. Perhaps that could be an unlockable to for achieving all the survivor and infected achievements.
(You know, the gas mask and the hood)

hooray for zombies

03-02-2008, 02:40 PM

Well, taking the explosion away from the Boomer makes his name a bit of a misnomer doesn't it? I mean, he still pops but he doesn't really *boom*

Kazary

03-02-2008, 03:33 PM

btw ign stated that zoeys second outfit is lingerie.

no seriously

bboi018

03-02-2008, 03:48 PM

Does skins really matter to the general public o_O? i mean, you could always swap skins to fit your needs, just like CS.

TheDark12

03-02-2008, 03:50 PM

btw ign stated that zoeys second outfit is lingerie.
You better not be lying boy.

Thor-axe

03-02-2008, 04:15 PM

Be funyn if they made one of Louis's alt. skins make him white instead of black. I'd laugh. But then they'd need to make white guy voice overs too.

Thor-axe

03-02-2008, 04:21 PM

btw ign stated that zoeys second outfit is lingerie

Yet another reason to play that game until I'm too fat for my chair to hold me up. I know that won't be true, but it would be awesome if it was. I say someone mods it after release!!!

Shrubberyjsc

03-02-2008, 04:57 PM

I loved the new visuals when the boomer booms. If you missed it, watch carefully in the cornfield.

Nice black poof, complete with boomer-chunks, if memory serves.

=)

Eddy_of_the_dead

03-02-2008, 09:41 PM

Yet another reason to play that game until I'm too fat for my chair to hold me up. I know that won't be true, but it would be awesome if it was. I say someone mods it after release!!!
fucking kids...

Dead Fish

03-02-2008, 10:57 PM

fucking kids...

damn pedophiles...

TheDark12

03-03-2008, 07:10 PM

damn pedophiles...
freaken intolerants...

jaydig

03-03-2008, 07:56 PM

In what article is alternate skins mentioned?
Seems kind of unnecessary, but im still wondering what the new outfits will be.

Shrubberyjsc

03-13-2008, 07:49 AM

In what article is alternate skins mentioned?
Seems kind of unnecessary, but im still wondering what the new outfits will be.

I think it's just something some people have noticed. It could be that the character skins are undergoing changes, or that they have several skins available.

Sifer2

03-13-2008, 08:28 AM

Alternate skins eh. Well if they are unlockables that would be cool. That was something that made me play Resident Evil Outbreak a lot since you could unlock like 50 different character skins. Would be cool to be able to look at someone an know if they were good enough to have unlocked the best outfit or whatever.

PoisonousPizza

03-13-2008, 01:28 PM

The devs could set the game up so players choose the boomer's capability before spawning.

"Do you want the high-explosive boomer? or the vomit-explosive boomer?"

This might help balance it out.

Left 4 Dead

03-13-2008, 04:18 PM

fucking kids...
damn pedophiles...
freaken intolerants...

Stupid quotes...

bboi018

03-13-2008, 05:18 PM

Quoting: Eddy_of_the_dead
fucking kids...

Quoting: Dead Fish
damn pedophiles...

Quoting: TheDark12
freaken intolerants...

Stupid quotes...

Retarded gay black jewish klansmen
http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/kkk.jp g (http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/kkk.jpg)

seanistehpwnzor

03-13-2008, 05:49 PM

Quoting: Left 4 Dead
Quoting: Eddy_of_the_dead
fucking kids...

Quoting: Dead Fish
damn pedophiles...

Quoting: TheDark12
freaken intolerants...

Stupid quotes...

Retarded gay black jewish klansmen
http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/kkk.jp (http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/kkk.jp) g

LMFAO xD

gothichorror13

03-14-2008, 03:19 PM

*Boomer explosion might not do damage now

*Hunter can't go invisible

*Pick survivor skin?

OK the boomer's explosion not doin damage is like a human throwing a bomb infront of himself and it exploding not doin crap to him.

Hunter not goin invisible is that bad or good????i wonder

Choosing skin sounds awesome but all ppl wanna do is just play the game. Honestly these changes dont sound bad at all.

Shrubberyjsc

03-14-2008, 08:43 PM

Yeah, I just keep reminding myself that they are testing it constantly, so they will know what's fun.

I have faith that the end result will be 'teh bomb'.

Kazary

03-15-2008, 11:06 AM

'teh bomb'.
please note for legal reasons he does not mean the boomer. Thank you for your cooperation.

xD lol

arsis

03-17-2008, 07:31 AM

"I don't quite understand how a methane filled Boomer can drop three stories into the group of Survivors without some sort of serious combustion, but it makes for fun times."

http://left4dead411.com/left-4-dead-preview-pg11

should it be updated?

Shrubberyjsc

03-17-2008, 08:06 AM

Arsis, I think they should keep it as it is.

There's also mention in the preview of many other things that have since been changed, but I like their preview as a record of the work TRS has done.

The next time someone says TRS isn't doing any work on L4D, and it's all a big conspiracy, you can show them a timeline of the changes.

arsis

03-17-2008, 08:09 AM

this is true

frogopus

03-17-2008, 09:46 AM

The hands on preview isn't meant to be an updated source of accurate info but our experience with the game at the time it was written. This is similar to any other preview you may read on other gaming sites. The updated info is found under the "Information" section on the front page. You'll see that under the Boomer section in Infected, this information is up to date.

Left4Dead2008

03-18-2008, 03:03 PM

Quote

Quoting: Left 4 Dead
Quoting: Eddy_of_the_dead
fucking kids...

Quoting: Dead Fish
damn pedophiles...

Quoting: TheDark12
freaken intolerants...

Stupid quotes...

Retarded gay black jewish klansmen
http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/kkk.jp (http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/kkk.jp) g

This should make everyone feel better!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

arsis

03-18-2008, 03:46 PM

o how i saw that one coming

Mustacio

03-18-2008, 04:10 PM

This should make everyone feel better!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

made me feel better.

Shrubberyjsc

03-18-2008, 10:29 PM

Stupid song is stupid.

one of them

03-29-2008, 08:26 PM

I like picking your survivor skin, but I sorta dis-like the hunter idea.
I don't think he should be completely cloaked, but I think if he's standing still in a dark enough space, it should be close to impossible to see him unless you were looking VERY hard. And the boomer, WHY? I would have loved to run into the middle of the survivors and explode. It gives you more choices on what to do too survivors! And I hope theirs different skins per character too, that would make me feel like I had more variety with character selection.

Shrubberyjsc

03-29-2008, 09:25 PM

Personally, I would've loved looking for cloaked hunters, but I think they're shifting his role. I'm hoping his regen is better than the medic in TF2.

Eddy_of_the_dead

03-29-2008, 11:15 PM

aye hope so man

Shrubberyjsc

07-15-2008, 12:12 PM

Heh, this took a month to get 3 pages.

Irony...

too....

thick!

Keptron

07-15-2008, 01:03 PM

If Boomer explosion do little damage in lower difficulties, it will suck a lot for who play as infected.

Infest0125

07-15-2008, 02:49 PM

The boomer one seems a little dumb, it should do SOME damage, and the hunter one i think feels much more fair and realistic... Come on, because of a form of rabies being able to turn invisible? All other aspects are believable but invisibility no

Hauger

07-15-2008, 08:03 PM

Have they not said that the Boomer explosion does NOT do any damage in Campaign? Only in Deathmatch?

Answer me once and for all, will the Boomer explosion do damage in the Campaign mode? 4 Human players vs the AI?

Warheart

07-16-2008, 12:13 AM

When I last played Left 4 Dead, the pipe bomb was a simple but effective explosive—its revised appearance in the latest build is ridiculously more lethal, drawing scores of zombies with a loud repeated beeping and flashing lights. Peering out from behind the corner of an alley, I tossed a bomb between three or four zombies, hoping to dispatch the lot of them and make for a quicker route through. To my surprise, they were quickly joined by a few dozen ravenous friends, all of whom journeyed together to the hereafter as chunky kibble in the ensuing explosion.

Looks like the pipe bomb now attracts infected, what do you think of that?

Steve Cloud

07-16-2008, 12:26 AM

Looks like the pipe bomb now attracts infected, what do you think of that?

More bang for your buck.

ShaneInFlames

07-16-2008, 05:08 AM

This is off topic and I didn't want to make thread in case it was already brought up :)
When you have A.I teamates can they damage you? Does anybody know?
I'd hate to get killed by a fricken teamate bot while playing the game.

Steve Cloud

07-16-2008, 05:11 AM

This is off topic and I didn't want to make thread in case it was already brought up :)

Good call.

When you have A.I teamates can they damage you? Does anybody know?
I'd hate to get killed by a fricken teamate bot while playing the game.

Of course they can. They probably aren't programed to try to, but they will shoot you if you are in their sights whilst firing.

ShaneInFlames

07-16-2008, 05:15 AM

Thanks steve :) We'll have to watch where we're walking then. Man your fast. Almost instant results :D

Steve Cloud

07-16-2008, 05:18 AM

What can I say, I hang around forums with nothing to do and give answers I think are correct.

Hauger

07-16-2008, 05:39 AM