Another "Building a new PC" topic.

[fiftysevenpercent]

Well, I've been waiting for a close release date for L4D before I build a new pc. And, well November isn't that far so I'm starting to shop around. I've been shopping on Newegg and I've decided I want to spend around $1300. I already have a display and all that goodness. Just a new tower. If you guys have any suggestions let me know. This is what I'm looking at so far.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80580Q9300

GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard

CORSAIR XMS2 DHX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

BFG Tech BFGE981024GX2E GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB (512MB per GPU) 512-bit (256-bit per GPU) GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card


-I also have an antec case and 650W PSU picked out. One question I have is, do I really need a 1Gb graphics card? Or do the 512Mb's perform just as well?

[engagequadlaser]

No need for a new thread, there's also plenty of suggestions and advice in the other one.

[CrAzD]

Just to piss off the elitest, going to actuall respond to ya ;0


Don't waste your money on quad core. Go with an intel core 2 duo 8500.

If you can squeeze out hte cash it would be better to go with a 280.

[dragondraven]

XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-T1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
2X OCZ Flex XLC 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1150 (PC2 9200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2FX11502GK
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600
i use a 8800gts untill i get the new x200 geforce i am assuming you dont need a dvd rom or a os. they are all pretty well priced at newegg.com but it's not a bad set up plus if you feel the need go to sli (i do ) if not a p35 board is a good bet.

[tp500]

XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-T1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
2X OCZ Flex XLC 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1150 (PC2 9200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2FX11502GK
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600
i use a 8800gts untill i get the new x200 geforce i am assuming you dont need a dvd rom or a os. they are all pretty well priced at newegg.com but it's not a bad set up plus if you feel the need go to sli (i do ) if not a p35 board is a good bet.

Dude lol, paragraphs PLEASE!

[Skeetles]

Don't listen to crazd's outdated bullshit advice, quadcores are the way to go.

If you really are just upgrading for l4d,
1. The orange box doesn't take much hardware, I get 200+fps in tf2 with everything maxed out on my comp I got for christmas
2. it's a long way to november.

[engagequadlaser]

Don't listen to Skeetles bullshit to justify his own ill-informed expenditures; the idea that a quadcore is the way to go is completely at odds with what matters: reality. Rather than have you spend the money on shit you don't need even though you're too lazy to look in the other thread, I'll summarize:



<div class="quote"><div class=&quot;quoting&quot;>Quoting: Quick Picks
Here are a list of parts that are generally agreed-upon to be good, solid choices for anyone assembling a new machine. THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST, NOR IS IT MEANT TO BE. Everyone's needs in a computer are different. This part should be a starting point in your research, not a definitive guide to what you should get.

CPU

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037) or its Xeon Equivalent, the E3110 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117165&Tpk=E3110)
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052)
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115043)

Motherboard
Gigabyte EP35-DS3L (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128337) (or Gigabyte P35-DS3L (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059))
NOTE: The EP35-DS3L's overclocking issue has been fixed. Read Xenomorph's post here. (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=2628278&pagenumber=228#post344868899)
abit IP35P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127049)
Asus P5K (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131180)
abit IP35 Pro (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813127030)
Intel BOXDP35DPM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121314)

Memory
Corsair XMS 2x2GB DDR2-800 Kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184)
Mushkin 2x2GB DDR2-800 Kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146692)
Geil 2x2GB DDR2-800 Kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144064)
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR2-800 Kit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122)


Graphics
Sapphire Radeon HD4850 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102747)
eVGA GeForce 9800 GTX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130348)
eVGA GeForce 8800GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130357)

Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar SE16 640GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218)
Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073)
Seagate 7200.10 500GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148136)

Optical
Lite-On 20X SATA DVD±R Burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106070)
Samsung 20X SATA DVD±R Burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151153)

Case
[list] Antec P182 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025) (Extremely quiet, a great case if noise is an issue)
Antec Sonata III (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024) (Comes with excellent PSU)
Antec Nine Hundred (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021)
Antec Solo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129018)
Lian-Li PC-60USB B2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112022)
Lian-Li PC-7B (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112099)
ThermalTake Tsunami (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133132)
CoolerMaster Centurion 5 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119047)

[Skeetles]

Do you guys not realize that all the new good processors are quadcores? I mean fucking seriously, even games are using 4 cores now, and I like to run my dedicated server on one core, have 2 cores for the game, and one other to show off to my parents. You guys are just stupid if you think dual cores are still worth consideration. Maybe if your budget was $800.

[engagequadlaser]

Do you guys not realize that all the new good processors are quadcores? I mean fucking seriously, even games are using 4 cores now

No. They're not. Most games don't utilize more than a single core; the rest utilize 2, and even then, not fully as they tend to offload certain very specific tasks and procedures to the off-core.

and I like to run my dedicated server on one core, have 2 cores for the game, and one other to show off to my parents.

Is anyone else here running a server? Anyone? Hello?

You guys are just stupid if you think dual cores are still worth consideration. Maybe if your budget was $800.

I think I see the problem here. You have too much money and not enough brains. Or at least, whoever paid for your &quot;Christmas Computer&quot; does.

Per the parts picking guide:

<div class="quote">There are virtually no processors that you can buy anymore that have only a single core. In the past couple of years, AMD and Intel have all but stopped production of single-core processors in favor of dual and quad-core chips. Having a dual-core processor doesn't mean you're going to get twice the processing power, however, multithreaded applications (such as Photoshop, Adobe Premiere, 3DSMax, even Folding@Home) and CPU-intensive multitasking (like if you were encoding a video while playing a game at the same time) display tremendous performance advantages over a single-core. Similarly, quad-core processors don't offer twice the power of dual-core processors. Multi-core processors will also offer increasingly better performance as time goes on, since future software and games will be written with multiple processors in mind.

Long story short, if you mostly want to do gaming, stick to a dual-core processor for now.</div>

And per the faq readable on this very page:

<div class="quote">Unless you have specific applications (like video encoding or 3D rendering) which will benefit from having more than 2 cores, it doesn't make sense to go with Quad Core right now. You will get a better price to performance ratio out of your Dual Core chips. Ignore the retards on other forums with build specs in their sigs, these people are wasteful as hell.</div>

It's neither intelligent or prudent to try to &quot;future-proof&quot; on the premise that eventually quad cores will become better utilized. When will that happen? 2 years down the road? 4 years? By that time, the quad core you buy now will still be dwarfed by the quad cores available at the time in which quad-core processing becomes viable, in which case you're 95% likely to be upgrading again anyway, making your current quad core purchase a waste of money.

When you have an argument grounded in reality rather than random shouts of &quot;you're juz stupid!&quot; and &quot;OMGZ TEH QUAD COREZ TEY COST MORE MONIES SO TEH ARE BETTER&quot;, you can sit at this table and contribute. Until then, piss off. You know nothing.

[USS_Stud]

You guys are just stupid if you think dual cores are still worth consideration. Maybe if your budget was $800.
Don't forget to pick up that Intel QX9 chip.

[tp500]

Why the hell is Skeetles post on the right of the screen????

[engagequadlaser]

Why the hell is Skeetles post on the right of the screen????

Mine kicked its ass so hard it got dislodged.

[CrAzD]

Sigh.. Skeetles, elitest prick.

Anyways.

The only quad core that is worth something is the Native quad core from AMD, Phenom. You would have to get the most expensive one and OC' it like a mofo to even match an 8500, stock. 8500's Can OC' to 4ghz on Air with ease and 5+ on water like it's nothing.

Intel's quad cores are worthless piles of junk. Go look at performance benchmarks, don't feel like searching the net for them. The 8500 is pretty much the best cpu you can buy.

The Intel quad cores will be good when they are native and have 4 pipelines instead of 2. Having 2 pipelines taking in 4 cores defeats the purpose of having a quad core cpu, to much information no where for it to go.

Simply, I spent 1300 on my recent computer, saved 400-500 by using my old psu, hdd's and dvd-roms.

On cs_office with everything maxed i get 200 frames minimum and an avg of 260ish.

What I have,
Intel Core 2 Duo 8500
4 Gbs Corsair Dominator 1066 mhz Ram
Evga nforce 780i Mother Board
Evga SSC 9800 gtx oc'
1000 watt psu < 3 yrs old (when i was stupid like skeetles and wasted money because other people were paying for it)
150 gb raptor (waste)
300 gb western digital


Also when you go and buy a HDD make sure it has a 32mb Cache, don't waste money on one that's less.

[tp500]

Also when you go and buy a HDD make sure it has a 32mb Cache, don't waste money on one that's less.

Hey might I ask why?

[Kenny]

Eh? I play with a person who has a quadcore, I have a 3.2 dual core. I'm pretty sure he and I are neck and neck when it comes to loading games. Go with either dude, it really doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference right now.

[SpecialK xm107]

Agreed with Quadlazer. Did a bunch of research on this and there are no games right now that use more than a dual core. Check out this article:

This is from this past May so it's pretty current
URL (http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/)

Basically it says you are better off getting the faster clock dual core instead of the slower clock quad core.

Skeetles needs to go back and work on the L4D CS server instead of yelling at people.

[tp500]

I dont feel like bringing up my old post, so I'll just post here. My stupid step dad closed mozilla and checked all the boxes so my cart got emptied on NCIX.com, so I had to go and find all the stuff I had. I ended up finding better stuff that before and it totaled about 20 bucks cheaper than what I had before. So here it is:

Coolermaster CM 690 Mid Tower Black ATX Case 5X5.25 5X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound Firewire &amp; eSATA
$79.73

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X4096-6400C5 4GB DDR2 2X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-18 240PIN Memory Kit
$99.99

XFX GeForce 9600GT 650MHZ 512MB 256BIT 1.8GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Video Card
$169.99

Coolermaster Extreme Power 600W ATX 12V V2.01 Silent Power Supply 20/24PIN 120MM Fan
$70.95

Gigabyte GA-945GCM-S2C mATX LGA775 954GC 1PCI-E16 3PCI SATA2 Video Sound LAN Motherboard
$55.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 8MB Cache Hard Drive 5YR MFR Warranty
$61.92

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail
$199.99

[Kenny]

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 8MB Cache Hard Drive 5YR MFR Warranty
$61.92


I'm not sure what you are running now, but 250GB is not a whole lot when you start playing the newer games.

Everything else looks good to go!

[tp500]

Yeah engagequadlaser told me the same thing about the HDD, but I have a 150gb right now, and that is hardly even used up and I have a lot of new games. 250gb is more than enough for me. I will be the only one using it, so its fine.

I'll see if I can find about the RAM you said. Thanks!:D

What about this one?
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23895&v pn=996587&manufacture=MUSHKIN (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23895&vpn=996587&manufacture=MUSHKIN)

[CrAzD]

Tp500,

The 32mb Cache, Brings a 7,200 RPM HDD to be equal with and sometimes faster then the Raptors with 10,000 RPM HDD and 16mb Cache. That small amount makes a huge difference.

You can get a 750gb 32mb cache 7,200RPM for 120$, The newest raptor costs 300$ w/ 300gb 16mb cahce 10,000RPM, Almost 3 times as much #, 2.5 times less space and 10-15% faster. Which would you pick? The old raptors can't keep up, only the brand new ones.

[Skeetles]

you faggots fail so hard, you must be used to not being able to do a lot of things at once.

[engagequadlaser]

you faggots fail so hard, you must be used to not being able to do a lot of things at once.

That's right, run along now you know-nothing little shit. If you had an argument or a point to make you'd have made it a long time ago. Because you don't however the most you're capable of is flailing spastically into a corner while shouting profanities.

Being a smartass isn't the problem, hell I'm one myself. The problem is when you're a smartass without the intelligence or knowledge to back it up, in which case you're just a fucking blowhard idiot.

[tp500]

Tp500,

The 32mb Cache, Brings a 7,200 RPM HDD to be equal with and sometimes faster then the Raptors with 10,000 RPM HDD and 16mb Cache. That small amount makes a huge difference.

You can get a 750gb 32mb cache 7,200RPM for 120$, The newest raptor costs 300$ w/ 300gb 16mb cahce 10,000RPM, Almost 3 times as much #, 2.5 times less space and 10-15% faster. Which would you pick? The old raptors can't keep up, only the brand new ones.
Ahhhhhhhhh, so you're saying that it's much better than my 8mb cache HDD? Mmmmhm, interesting. Thanks lol, I'm gonna look for one with 32:)


When did Skeetles turn into a complete grade A asshole??? He use to be a fav member!

[Oblivion165]

I would stay away from the Gigabyte brand and just get a Core 2 Duo 3ghz or more. Also like others have said, Quad core is just not needed right now and by the time it is the price drop will be significant.

I would spend the price difference on another Terrabyte of storage if I was in your shoes...that or pre-pay my usenet account for a year.

[globalenjoi]

I cannot imagine why someone would need a terabyte of storage, unless they are pirating tons of shit every day.

[CrAzD]

you faggots fail so hard, you must be used to not being able to do a lot of things at once.

Do you not know how to read or is your reading comprehension that of a 5 year old retard?

<nub>
Since responding to you has become redundant this will be my last response to you. </nub>


Intel's Quad cores only have -2- TWO -2- pipelines. Which means you have 4 cores sending information into -2- TWO -2- pipelines. What's the problem with this? When your running normal tasks or applications that max out on 2 cores. Nothing really, except you wasted possibly 1000$ on a dual core when you could have bought a superior intel Duo for 1/5 the price? Now when you actually get applications that run off of 3/4 cores is where the problem arises. You get clogged and backed up information. Which is called &quot;Lag&quot;. You are defeating the purpose of having multiple cores at this time, so by the facts you wasted your money on a useless piece of hardware.

Now the Intel Core 2 Duo 8500, is the number 1 cpu out right now, publicly. It destroys all the Quad cores, hands down. Go use google and look up some benchmarks please.

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image /20/0,1425,i=207424,00.gif (http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/20/0,1425,i=207424,00.gif)
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image /20/0,1425,i=207419,00.gif (http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/20/0,1425,i=207419,00.gif)
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image /20/0,1425,i=207430,00.gif (http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/20/0,1425,i=207430,00.gif)

PS, remember that was with a STOCK 8500, the 8500 is an overclocking machine. 4ghz on air. 5ghz, easily, on water and proven up to 7ghz on water.


So please when your going to come at someone, just as engagequadlaser has said, have knowledge of what your talking about first..

And now that that is out of the way.


fiftysevenpercent, if you would like to talk to me privately about computer parts just send me a PM and I'll give you some contact info, goes for everyone else as well.

[Kenny]

What about this one?
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23895&v (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23895&v) pn=996587&manufacture=MUSHKIN

That'd be fine! You might be safer going with a larger name-brand memory but for that price it certainly is a good deal.


*Don't feed the trolls guys.