View Full Version : Zombie Mod for CS:S=Bad Practice.
dontleave
05-20-2007, 09:56 PM
Well, playing an easy round of zombie mod camping on a street lamping hazing a couple zombies every now and then. I had time to think, and it struck me. Left 4 Dead wont be ANYTHING like this. Zombie mod for me consists of 3 stages with pretty set time expectations.
1. Find your spot, probably around 30-45 seconds.
2. Defend it depending on your spot 15 seconds or 5 minutes.
3. Find other survivors, depends on 2.
Pretty much ZM (not to bash it or anything) is run, camp and shoot. So it strikes me as odd whenever someone says "Ima go play ZM to practice for L4D" when at certainty theres a 5% chance that you'll even encounter a zombie player on equal footing, and have to fend him off, even so, its more of a "Shoot his head so he flies back like 20 feet" kind of fending, and not the "Holy fucking conserve ammo incase anymore come along". You see what I mean? To think about it, the more I play ZM the more I think I am going to be the noob once L4D comes out.
Secondly, it almost practically DEMOTES teamwork, as a player will either
A. Randomly spawn as a zombie and kill you.
B. Blow down your barricade.
C. Launch a zombie into you with nade.
D. Any other way a person can kill you without actually being a zombie.
I think this sets a bad habit for people going into L4D coming from ZM. I don't think the experience will be at all the similar.
Anyway... Yeah, dont play ZM for practice. If you need something to practice relfex on, and aim you might as well try out a Gun Game server really. As in that enemies come from everywhere, you shoot them, sure they dont have to run up to you and kill you, but it'll be so and so when you get L4D.
Arkeneaver
05-20-2007, 10:23 PM
i think the only way to practice for such a game is aiming... there is no other game of this class, and so... target practice is pretty much the only thing you can do right now... of course you can strengthen your cooperative play, but thats near impossible on CSS, unless your with friends. Remember... though, that the L4D zombies will die very easily... so the better you are at aiming, the more ammo you can conserve, and the better you will be at disposing the huge amount of zombies. i think thats the whole point of using ZM as practice, due to their obsessive health count... you get very used to hitting them in the head, but then... i don't see how that will help you in L4D as a shotgun can take out several, so hitting them in the chest would be more appropriate.
ArsenaI
05-21-2007, 01:50 AM
Office Map, as many bots with knives as you can handle, stay in the confined spaces.
Your right tho, its never going to be the same, but just getting your awareness in small spaces with a shotgun / uzi or whatever. The only thing that (i think) will come close to what it will be like in L4D in such spaces.
Arkeneaver
05-21-2007, 03:14 AM
anyone been on zombie master? its really really good. RTS/FPS.
I installed it but i can't figure out how to launch it. How did you get it running?
I DLed Zombie Master yesterday. Its pretty funny (I played till 5:00AM) :D
@Bub
did you installed it to steam/steamapps/SourceMods ?
This should be the right path. The latest version is the zm_beta_110.exe
Quotidius
05-21-2007, 04:08 AM
He's not referring to Zombie Master, but rather Zombie Mod for CSS. Keep that in mind.
Zombie master wasn't amazing. Which server do you use?
Shrubberyjsc
05-21-2007, 07:00 AM
I just stick a heck of a lot of fast zombie spawners in the CSS map "Havana".
That map has alleys, is fairly dark in parts, and is close-quarters.
I think it's the closest to L4D as I can get until L4D comes out!
MrToodles
05-21-2007, 08:05 AM
Zombie Horde is a fun game, its just the zombies are super hard to kill. It requires at least 3 people to survive, and they all need to help each other out, Thats why I play zombiehorde, you find your self running out of very tight spaces with friends. ( I.E getting surrounded and just making it by blowing through a zombie with a teammate) Its pretty good.
I'd recomend it, theres always a zombie horde sever up.
Just look under z, and youll see zombie horde.
hooray for zombies
05-21-2007, 10:26 AM
I once played a zombie mod game with just one other person.......
The funny part is that we actually won a round!
If you find a good server, zombie master can be fun.
Arkeneaver
05-21-2007, 10:33 AM
zombie master is good if you have people around you which know what their doing... it gets thrustrating when people block you in allyways...
KashMunni
05-21-2007, 02:28 PM
I dont really like zombie master.. its fun and exciting but its easy for sum 1 to be an ass on it tho. theres bearly ever any ammo. ur lucky if u atleast find a clip for ur pistol and people never really help each other.well at least in the servers i've plyed in
dontleave
05-21-2007, 03:56 PM
On another note: What Zombie Mod servers do you play on I play on the same one every day and its kinda getting boring...
IP is 64.69.36.85:27015 Its WhenDarkessFalls server I've been playing on all their servers since CS:S came out, even played on their NS server.'
You might recognize me might not, name is my two most hyped games: Star][Craft - Left 4 Dead
P.S Currently cant play first off becasue the server is full, second damn VAC/Steam kicks me for damn troubleshooting, cant even manage to get passed a download screen, a VERY LONG DL screen. Trying to get into another ZM server.
Is zombie panic any good?
Arkeneaver
05-22-2007, 02:15 AM
i havnt played zombie panic for Half life.
But the source version isnt out yet
Zombie Panic for Half Life is funny IMHO. I used to play it a lot but there were always just a handfull of servers. I´m looking forward to the source version though.
Deadly
05-22-2007, 11:49 AM
You might recognize me might not, name is my two most hyped games: Star][Craft - Left 4 Dead
Reminds me of this really funny joke
Rufus
05-22-2007, 02:38 PM
Yeah, ZM is bad for practice...but it's still fun as hell :)
Nemesis_vs_Leon
05-22-2007, 08:05 PM
Zombie horde is the perfect practice for left 4 dead! You people have never heard of it? Zombie mod is too popular, but zombie horde is just like left 4 dead without the boss monsters.
Horde is the direct rival of mod, so if you want to see the best horde servers available, connect to these ip addresses in the console:
75.126.14.176:27015 server 1
75.126.14.177:27015 server 2
ZombieHell Rabbit's style is the best kind of zombie horde and great l4d practice, see you there! Also, both servers are the same and run by the same people, but they will always be running different maps from each other.
Also: I just registered here, so now I get to annoy everyone about how horde is greater than mod XD
final note: these servers are very popular and are usually full. About 2/3 of the players are bots as zombies, but plenty of people fit in the games.
Zombie Horde ?!?! It's the worst shit I have ever seen.
People are just camping in a place .. and they spray like hell.
Arkeneaver
05-23-2007, 12:57 AM
so what you do ash... is go on a rush with a shotgun, and attempt to run all the way around the map without dieing... who cares about the campers.
MrToodles
05-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Nope not anymore, you cant camp anywhere on most severs, auto camp boots them out of every spot.
MrToodles
05-23-2007, 03:27 PM
Nope not anymore, you cant camp anywhere on most severs, auto camp boots them out of every spot.
caboos
05-23-2007, 03:50 PM
Nope not anymore, you cant camp anywhere on most severs, auto camp boots them out of every spot.
Nope not anymore, you cant camp anywhere on most severs, auto camp boots them out of every spot.
omg i must be seeing double........................4 of the same post
No Shelter
05-23-2007, 04:05 PM
I like the servers with reload! Then the campers get fucked.
caboos
05-23-2007, 05:10 PM
I like the servers with reload! Then the campers get fucked.
ya me to i hate it when there are people ina tube or tunnal and cant be killed
Nemesis_vs_Leon
05-24-2007, 07:38 AM
Zombie Horde ?!?! It's the worst shit I have ever seen.
People are just camping in a place .. and they spray like hell.
That's not zombie horde! Zombie horde is the game where zombies CANNOT be pushed and where the zombies kill instead of infect you. It is also the one where camping is usually bad.
Zombie MOD is different. That's the one where everyone camps the entire round and pushes back the zombies.
In horde, it's impossible to push zombies with your shots! You slow them a tiny bit, but it's not enough to save you, definately not.
Imagine this: Left 4 Dead without the boss monsters and you can run around de_dust etc randomly. Also, the zombies spawn at the terrorist points and you spawn at cts.
If the round time ends, you die, so you have to kill all the zombies before then. If you do kill them all, even more come next round. Finally, all the zombies have high quality models and some models are from familiar games like the doom3 hell knight or the resident evil 1 remake zombies.
This is the ultimate zombie horde gameplay because the time limit forces campers to come out. If they don't they die on round end! It's so hard to kill all the zombies that you're forced to rush them and work together.
Most zombie horde servers just spawn a bunch of bot zombies, but what I described was zombiehell rabbit's style! It's the two servers I listed before, although currently I think they're down.
UPDATE: They are up right now, join asap, my name in game is nemesisurvivorleon.
Also, here's the ips again:
75.126.14.176:27015 server 1
75.126.14.177:27015 server 2
I'll go to server 1 unless its full.
PS this server has limited ammo and reload on, you get 666 bullets at start :D but it's still limited
dontleave
05-24-2007, 08:59 AM
Going towards zombies... not like L4D at all, considering what topic this is the way you describe, ZH could also possibly get you into the wrong mindset. God damn I wouldn't want someone joining my game saying "Dont worry guys, im a Zombie Horde veteran"
Also, they die... why the hell do they need to be pushed back?
For the record, I dont think ANY HL based (Hl1 and 2) mod should be compared to L4D, the quality of L4D vs. anything out so far is on two sides of the spectrum they dont even meet.
Nemesis_vs_Leon
05-24-2007, 09:27 AM
Going towards zombies... not like L4D at all, considering what topic this is the way you describe, ZH could also possibly get you into the wrong mindset. God damn I wouldn't want someone joining my game saying "Dont worry guys, im a Zombie Horde veteran"
Also, they die... why the hell do they need to be pushed back?
For the record, I dont think ANY HL based (Hl1 and 2) mod should be compared to L4D, the quality of L4D vs. anything out so far is on two sides of the spectrum they dont even meet.
The problem is that anything out so far is actually out and l4d isn't. When l4d comes, zombie mod is doomed. Horde too. Although, considering how awesome l4d is, that's not a bad thing. Besides, if people still want their doom3 hell knight models, they can just make an addon for l4d like they did for css. It's still a source engine game and should work similarly with addons.
You said they die so you don't need to push them. What do you mean? In zombie horde, this is true, but are you talking about zombie horde or l4d? Also, zombie horde forces you to run around more and you're either going to crouch to accurately gun down the zombies or you'll be running away and shooting just like l4d. Why wouldn't this be good practice for l4d?
dontleave
05-24-2007, 09:31 AM
Because your looking FOR zombies, im not saying its not good practice, it puts people in the wrong mindset. When they get L4D they're going to be peering into rooms to find zombies instead on focusing on the main objective. Any FPS is good PRATICE in some areas. FPS is generally good practice for aim. ZM is terrible practice for moving and shooting/manuevering.
Im talknig about Zombie Horde, if they die, why would you need to push them?
Nemesis_vs_Leon
05-24-2007, 09:44 AM
Because your looking FOR zombies, im not saying its not good practice, it puts people in the wrong mindset. When they get L4D they're going to be peering into rooms to find zombies instead on focusing on the main objective. Any FPS is good PRATICE in some areas. FPS is generally good practice for aim. ZM is terrible practice for moving and shooting/manuevering.
Im talknig about Zombie Horde, if they die, why would you need to push them?
Oh yeah, you do kind of hunt them down. Well, that does put them in the wrong mindset to hunt them down.
In Zombie Horde, you don't need to push them and you never do. Zombie Mod is the one where that happens. Also, Mod is bad for accuracy because you just spray most of the time.
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