Do you think that rabies can evolve one day to contain a strong strand that turns people into.......

[The One]

yeah it cut me off on the topic, so let me finish it.
do you think that rabies can evolve one day to contain a strong strand that turns people into infected like in the game Left 4 Dead?

I mean I think it could be possible, animals already go real aggressive when infected with rabies. Maybe rabies will evolve so much that it will make people

"Aggressive, mindless, zombies that attack uninfected on sight"

Or at least any other kind of virus that can kill and then reanimate the body.

[squerl]

That's what I like about this kind of zombie theme, it seems like it could actually happen with what you mentioned about how it affects animals.

With the way technology is advancing now, I wouldn't be suprised!

[Stupoider]

It could happen! But my concerns are on Bird Flu. Birds can be deadly! (Draws attention to the crow in 28 Days Later)

[maaatt]

The one must be the only one that thinks about this hence the name "the one"

[Stupoider]

It could seriously happen! ^^

[The One]

I am simply here to prepare you guys and get you guys thinkin. You never know when things like this will happen

[The One]

Hahah, I was just looking back on the early early EARLY posts. (has flash back when he and a couple others were the first on here). Then it brought me to this early post. I just cant help but wonder that if one day rabies will affect humans like they affect animals, you know, aggressive, murderous, hell bent on killing or infecting (though I dont think infecting others is their goals) others. Dont you guys think that this could really happen?

[Shrubberyjsc]

Well, I think it wouldn't quite be like what the game has.

I think they wouldn't group together to attack uninfected, they would just attack anything that moves, but it's fun for a game to have them team up.

[Arkeneaver]

erm... its already happened, and im being serious. Rabies has infected humans before, people can get rabies very easily, from bats and rats etc. There was a study on a small girl who caught it from a bat, cruel i know, but she was quarantined and monitored, you see, there is no cure at this time, and so all you can do is sit and watch considering that the stupid government has made it illegal for any doctor to kill a patient, even when they have rabies.

It was really interesting, in every case, the subject has died from the virus, but this girl survived, and she has been the only one who has done. You usually die from it on the 5th day. Rabies is the most powerful virus known to man, and is carefully monitored due to the fear of mutation. It overrides the brain, and attacks the mind of the subject. Basically, rabies can control your nervous system, and uses it very effectively to spread itself, via biting. It turns you into a mindless being, but rabies is not advanced enough to override the human brain completely, thus walking is out of the question. Smaller mammals however can be fully overridden, thus having the ability to walk/fly. If rabies was to ever come into contact with other viruses... say the cold virus, it could be easily caught just by breathing, thus making it far more dangerous. As the human body cannot survive without vital organs intact, it would be very easy for someone to kill an infected person...just like in left 4 dead.

[bub]

If you get bitten by a rabies infected animal then you can get a shot and you'll be fine.

[ArsenaI]

Dont you guys think that this could really happen?

Not realy lol. Unless the next generation can develope man-made rabies like virus'. The sheer ammount of people in this world just negates any thought of a virus becoming strong enough to effect a large number of people that it would actually become a problem.

Infect 1million people, infect 5million people, theres billions left, infect 60million people, theres billions left. If theres ever a virus that can spread like that, i hope im allrdy dead ;)

[Arkeneaver]

arsenal... you've said that before... population isnt a factor. The more infected there are, the more the infection will spread.

There is no jab/shot for rabies bub, im afraid your wrong. You can slow it down, but their is no cure, its like terminal cancer, only a lot faster.

[bub]

I am pretty sure there's a rabies shot. You get one when a dog bites you. It may prevent you from contracting the disease once you've been bitten, it's possible that it isn't a cure.

[Arkeneaver]

URL (http://www.healthyarkansas.com/services/rabies_main.htm)
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The only treatment is , your right in saying this, there is a vaccination. However... this needs to be given immediately... give or take 30 minutes, maybe a bit longer. Basically, the virus needs to be killed before it enters the brain. Remember that every time you feel a pulse, blood has been injected into the brain.. thats the window rabies can get in, and thats how fast it will get there... so really... there is no cure.

The vaccination isnt permanent by the way. There is no way to get immunity from rabies, unless your extremely lucky like the girl i previously talked about, but she is the only one.

[Tobold]

If it does mutate into a virus similar to that in l4d, has no one considered that the 'infected' would take their rage out on each other? meaning it would be easy to survive a mass-infected situation easily by simply staying in your house and out of the way for a week.

[Kanelgiffeln]

i dont think that a virus of any kind will be able to rise a dead person,get Eyes.brain,muscles and ears going and then start to Feed on other humans Flesh. Like,why would a virus make someone to start eating other people ?? and get evil and such. BUT i do think that MAYBE in the future there will be a Virus that will infect the brain of a Living person and make him go Mad. but still, i dont really get the idea of a person go mad and kill others. But i dont know much about the rabies virus tho so i dont really know. maybe there'll be a virus who makes people mad so they'll feel scared and angry and such,which will make them to attack people becaus they think that they will harm them. But a Crazy Killing-machine which have a goal to destroy mankind - no way.

[Quotidius]

i dont think that a virus of any kind will be able to rise a dead person,get Eyes.brain,muscles and ears going and then start to Feed on other humans Flesh. Like,why would a virus make someone to start eating other people ?? and get evil and such. BUT i do think that MAYBE in the future there will be a Virus that will infect the brain of a Living person and make him go Mad. but still, i dont really get the idea of a person go mad and kill others. But i dont know much about the rabies virus tho so i dont really know. maybe there'll be a virus who makes people mad so they'll feel scared and angry and such,which will make them to attack people becaus they think that they will harm them. But a Crazy Killing-machine which have a goal to destroy mankind - no way.


The point is that diseases such as rabies that give rise to encephalitis - the inflammation of the brain - give rise to abnormal agitation in certain mammals, most notably canines. As humans belong to the mammalia, it's quite possible (yet unlikely) that rabies (or a derivate thereof) could mutate and give rise to such behavioral changes in humans.

You also seem to be of the opinion that zombies are "evil". There is no such thing as evil, or even malice, when one refers to a human being that has essentially devolved to a primal state.


As for rabies ever actually undergoing said mutation; rabies has been around for millennia, and the proximity to vectors of the disease (lower mammals, canines, etc.) has been fairly constant. Yet, as far as we know, nature has yet to develop a human equivalent of rabies.

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

URL
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The only treatment is , your right in saying this, there is a vaccination. However... this needs to be given immediately... give or take 30 minutes, maybe a bit longer. Basically, the virus needs to be killed before it enters the brain. Remember that every time you feel a pulse, blood has been injected into the brain.. thats the window rabies can get in, and thats how fast it will get there... so really... there is no cure.

The vaccination isnt permanent by the way. There is no way to get immunity from rabies, unless your extremely lucky like the girl i previously talked about, but she is the only one.
Very informative.
Let's hope an army of ferrets doesn't go mad and conquer the world with rabies.

[sir monster]

i had to get shots for rabies when i was a kid because i got bit by... hell i dont even remember what it was. wow that sucked. a huge factor in my needle phobia. (the shots hurt more than the animal bite)

*also, it didnt have rabies it was all for nothing.

[Quotidius]

Let's hope an army of ferrets doesn't go mad and conquer the world with rabies.


Unless said army of ferrets learn how to manipulate vehicles that allow them to overcome some nigh insurmountable natural obstacles, there's not a chance of that happening.

[dontleave]

Lemmings?

[Quotidius]

Lemmings?


Heh! :p

[Arkeneaver]

a nice fact which people might like to know:

approximately 35,000 people die of rabies every year, 99% of these cases are caused by bite infliction, the most common is canines.

When a human is infected with rabies, it takes 1-3 weeks before they die, depending on the size of the infliction, and how much of the virus got into the bodies blood stream. There have been cases where people have died in under 4 days due to extreme exposure to rabies. As quotidius has quite clearly said, rabies attacks the nervous system, and inflames the brain and spinal column; this causes many symptoms as explained above in the link i have posted.

During the end of a week (if you live that long), loss of muscle control has been documented, in particular, the jaw. It has also been suggested that these muscles can spasm uncontrollably. Very basic movement supposedly caused by the virus has been noted, most commonly... movement of the jaw muscles. These can be compared with the similar symptoms of the canine.

[dontleave]

You might think im somewhat sadistic for saying this... But that is very cool. Of course I'd hate for anyone I know, mostly myself to contract such a terrible virus but its not without its awes. I hope a scientist one day proves it has potential to morph into the rabies virus we have in L4D. Gives crazy people hope :)

[Quotidius]

During the end of a week (if you live that long), loss of muscle control has been documented, in particular, the jaw. It has also been suggested that these muscles can spasm uncontrollably. Very basic movement supposedly caused by the virus has been noted, most commonly... movement of the jaw muscles. These can be compared with the similar symptoms of the canine.


This is interesting, because it brings up another point.
Let's just say that our worst fears have been realized. There's no more room in hell, the dead walk the earth, agitated primates, etc, etc.

The human brain is supposedly orders of magnitude above that of a canine. If said virus mutates and is contracted by any primate, be it human or chimp, how do we know that it won't incapacitate the victim?
It seems far more likely that this would be the case, rather than the victim showcasing extreme agitation, with fully functioning limbs etc.

[caboos]

The one must be the only one that thinks about this hence the name "the one"
dude i think about this. what do you think i do in math class. but i really do think about this stuff

[caboos]

a nice fact which people might like to know:

approximately 35,000 people die of rabies every year, 99% of these cases are caused by bite infliction, the most common is canines.

When a human is infected with rabies, it takes 1-3 weeks before they die, depending on the size of the infliction, and how much of the virus got into the bodies blood stream. There have been cases where people have died in under 4 days due to extreme exposure to rabies. As quotidius has quite clearly said, rabies attacks the nervous system, and inflames the brain and spinal column; this causes many symptoms as explained above in the link i have posted.

During the end of a week (if you live that long), loss of muscle control has been documented, in particular, the jaw. It has also been suggested that these muscles can spasm uncontrollably. Very basic movement supposedly caused by the virus has been noted, most commonly... movement of the jaw muscles. These can be compared with the similar symptoms of the canine.
cool, good research. good to know

[Arkeneaver]

one more thing... it has also been proven that aggression levels increase dramaticlly in humans after a week of exposure, this is also accompanied with confusion and fear.

Canines go through the same emotions, which explains the biting. If you watch footage of rabies observation:

THE FOLLOWING LINKS HAVE BEEN RATED "R" BY THE FROGOPUS MOTION PICTURE ASSOCIATION

here :URL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaG4pra9ySA)

and here:URL (http://www.rabiesfreeworld.net/advanced_module.htm)

(Note: I must warn you, this footage contains violence/death of a distressing nature. DO NOT watch if you wish not to see the death of infected animals/humans.)

You will see how this agression can be used to the rabies virus's advantage to spread infection. A valid argument, is that the actual virus overrides the pancreas and unleashes these hormones in large quantities.

[Quotidius]

here :URL

That is... disturbing. Please refrain from including that in your future posts; while I understand that its purpose is to educate, there are more convenient ways of doing so.
In fact, it'd be nice if you just removed it.

[frogopus]

I tacked on an extra disclaimer so that none could miss... i honestly dont feel the desire to watch them for approval, I have to see enough of such things living on a farm. But judging from Quotidius, I just want to make sure no one sees something they may not want to see. Given the assumed scientific nature of the post, I'll let it be with that.

[Arkeneaver]

well... if people read what i wrote... it does say its disurbing quotidus... if you have a weak stomach... then its simple... dont watch them, jesus what did you think dieing from rabies was going to be like, a tea party in the local hospital? As they show, all the observers can do, is sit and watch the show, because there is nothing you can do for them, due to government policy...

ill have you know... motion picture is the best way to attract attention, "a picture says many words", as it were. I wanted people to understand why rabies is such a big problem, and looking at some of these posts, some people are misunderestimating the effects of rabies... these videos arnt there for you to go and bang a bowl of popcorn in the microwave and sit down in your arm chair, their there to make people realize something...

[Quotidius]

well... if people read what i wrote... it does say its disurbing quotidus... if you have a weak stomach... then its simple... dont watch them, jesus what did you think dieing from rabies was going to be like, a tea party in the local hospital? As they show, all the observers can do, is sit and watch the show, because there is nothing you can do for them, due to government policy...


Don't pull that condescending shit on me.
All I'm saying is that not everyone browsing these forums are fit to endure that video, that's all. There are, as I said, more convenient ways of portraying the symptoms and ramifications of rabies.

[Arkeneaver]

no... i disagree, i think video footage is the most convenient ways of showing the effects. If some people are not fit to endure them, then they dont have to watch them, you cant complain if i warn people. Stupid people and their Curiosity. Besides, i dont think its that bad. You dont have to get all emotional about people dieing, you dont seem to care if you hear it on the radio, only when its happening in front of your face... thats because your actually registering the fact that someone is dieing... but if you can see through that "like a man". Then you can start to study the video. For example... if you have seen the first video, study his jaw movenment, further on in the video you can see his muscles tensing in anger as it may seem... he still apears to have alot of control though.

[Arkeneaver]

froggy you should watch them... if you live on a farm as i do... its not difficult to shut out emotion. I have frequently visited slaughter houses, and trust me, thoughs videos are no where near as bad as a slaughter house.

My Uncle has to put down animals... some of his storyies are facinating but kind of sick at the same time...

[dontleave]

I dont get it, I watched both video's, theres nothing sick or disturbing about them. However I still have no audio... so?

[ArsenaI]

I'll watch them tomorow, ive just eaten....and by the sounds of it i think its best if i didnt, dont wanna be wearing the lovely thai green curry i just had ;)

I highly doubt any1 will watch the vids without knowing what they are gonna see.

[dontleave]

First one is some kid tied to a bed, I think hes trying to say soemthing (which maybe where the disturbia comes from) but i dont find anything that freaky about it... IS he trying to say something?

Which is the grossest link on the second URL?

[Shrubberyjsc]

Pfft. That's not disturbing. It's a little kid lying on a bed. OMG!

No, blowing off an infected's head will be more 'disturbing' than that.

[Arkeneaver]

hey... it wasnt mean that complained... blame quoti lol.

The kid chained to the bed has rabies lol... thats kind of the whole point of the video. To show you what happens and how the nervous system reacts to inflammation. Have you taken into account the reaction of the jaw muscle? the reason why he is chained is to stop him from biting or spreading the virus.

All the links in the second URL are all worth watching. Nearly all rabies incidents happen in South America and Africa... basically Developing countries/continents...

[Zaku001]

ok based of whats been posted i thought i would throw in my two cents about the subject

1 . Zombies - as in the undead kind - the kind that get bitten/ scratched / infected some how- what happens to these guys is they get infected, get sick, then eventually die and after some amount of time they come back to life, they are immune to pain and want to eat fresh meat, now let me pumch some holes.....If the human body "dies" for any reason then the heart stops beating amd the brain will die after a few minutes. Nw the brain controls the bodys muscle movements and body functions right?... so if the brain has died then the ability to "reanimate" and come back to life is impossible. Now lets pretend for example that the virus some how mutates the brain (max brooks zombie survival guide) and changes the brain to no longer require oxygen, ok fair enough the brain can come back to life and start sending signals back to the rest of the body, now the thing is it still would be un able to move because the muscles no longer have a supply of oxygenated blood either, and lets pretend that the brain gets the heart to start working again, then in that case yes the body comes back to life but with that said it still need a decent supply of blood to pump around the body. In this case the zombie is no longer "Invincible" and can be killed by blood loss, being shot/attacked in ther heart lungs or kidney/liver and so really all you have is not some "super natural walking killing machine" but a normal every day human with down syndrome / chronic retardation, and frankly who would be scared of being eaten by one of them? If you get caught and cant manage to kill one, then pffft you deserve what you get.

2. Super virus / mutated rabies - now with this game the special kind of rabies is turning people into mindless blood crazed "zombies" now my thoughts are that this is a really good idea for the game and it does make sence, but if the virus makes people super agressive and what not well the major "flaw" i would see in the virus is the fact that the infected would attack each other before they attacked anyone else, witch kind of throws the "super agressive" theory out the window, because who cares if the eat eachother to death?. But with that said lets just say they can some how detect who is and isnt infected, then sure enough you are screwed becuase i cant imagine someone who, as angry as they can possible be, will become less intelligent? sure there aggresive but whats to stop them from picking up a gun and using it? i mean the virus can make them less intelligent but then agin, who cares? if they are really agressive, but not smart enough to operate basic tools/open doors then wheres the threat? And another point is if the are just people who are really angry then the can be killed just as easily as we can (simple blood loss from a cut of hand...or shot in the heart/lungs/brain) and so if they still are hard to kill then agin you deserve to die lol
e.g. if you get in a fight in real life you dont gently fight each other do you? no the answer is your super agressive anyway! The ony difference is you dont let these guys bite you :P

My point is that the idea and story of zombies is cool and alot of fun but in my opinion we really have nothing to fear as far as there being the possibility of "real" zombies, and if they did somehow break all reasons i have already mentioned then still there only human beings that are really limited in there thinking ability, so i cant see the "threat" that they pose...thats my opinion anyway im sure your all gonna go ahead and tear it to pieces :P but like i said its what helps ME sleep at night without fear of zombie attack... what do you guys think about it?

[The One]

Yeah, but we arent talking about "ZOMBIES" we are talking about infected. As in l4d infected. You know, people infected with virus that makes them go psycho and bite and beat down any uninfected.

[The One]

Don't pull that condescending shit on me.
All I'm saying is that not everyone browsing these forums are fit to endure that video, that's all. There are, as I said, more convenient ways of portraying the symptoms and ramifications of rabies.

just saw that and quotidius, he did say it was disturbing. Those that dont want to watch it have to read that it says disturbing or whatever. So its their fault not his

[Evilferret]

(thinks) some day i will release my rabies virus (mummbles) some day...some day...

[Zaku001]

Yeah, but we arent talking about "ZOMBIES" we are talking about infected. As in l4d infected. You know, people infected with virus that makes them go psycho and bite and beat down any uninfected.

Ok i didnt really mention L4d, i was talking about the unlikelyness of zombies ever being real, regardless of what virus you can make because ultimately it will contridict itself, As for the purpose of games and movies i Love zombies ^.^ i think there so cool, no one can say (as scary and mentaly disturbing it may be) that they wouldnt have at least a bit of fun in a zombie apocolypse, i mean being all safe in your nice little fortress and just messing with the zombies all day long would just make me laugh i reckon :P actually that gives me an idea for a new thread lol

[Rannos]

you see, there is no cure at this time
yea there is. There was a similar story where some girl became the tenth or so person to contract and survive rabies. There's a cure but it's no guarantee.

[dontleave]

Ok i didnt really mention L4d, i was talking about the unlikelyness of zombies ever being real, regardless of what virus you can make because ultimately it will contridict itself, As for the purpose of games and movies i Love zombies ^.^ i think there so cool, no one can say (as scary and mentaly disturbing it may be) that they wouldnt have at least a bit of fun in a zombie apocolypse, i mean being all safe in your nice little fortress and just messing with the zombies all day long would just make me laugh i reckon :P actually that gives me an idea for a new thread lol


Yeah, because we all live in giant stone castles with moats. 28 style zombie apocalypse is the only one we will ever get, and it doesn't contradict itself at all.

[freakypred]

With all the hell already sturring up in the world, you cant help but feel, ur lucky to be alive.

[Zaku001]

Yeah, because we all live in giant stone castles with moats. 28 style zombie apocalypse is the only one we will ever get, and it doesn't contradict itself at all.

In 28 days later the virus makes people super aggresive right? well why dont they attack each other if there so angry? If they can tell the difference well i would like to know how, go ahead and tell me...

[freakypred]

its all one virus, its wants to spread, not destroy all its consumed

[Shrubberyjsc]

The only way I think they could tell each other from the uninfected would be smell. Sight wouldn't work, because it'd be easy to look like one. Just like in Shawn of the Dead, you'd just make their movements and problem solved.

I think that the virus could alter the chemical make-up of their sweat. The pheromones would be an inhibitor for their rage. If they come across a different smelling sweat, they attack that person.

Problems with this are many. I am outta time. I will list l8r.

[dontleave]

In 28 days later the virus makes people super aggresive right? well why dont they attack each other if there so angry? If they can tell the difference well i would like to know how, go ahead and tell me...


Okay, so you're basing your opinion on movie fact, so am I, except there's the differnce that for some reason, you dont want aknowledge the fact that they DONT ATTACK EACHOTHER IN 28 WEEKS/DAYS LATER.

There can be a simple fictional answer for this, same way certain diseases know not to infected an already ailing body. Same way in Alien how they know now to impregnate/kill hosts maybe, who the hell knows. Its a movie, but I atleast choose to accept every aspect of it.

[Zaku001]

Ok thats awsome, for what ever reason the zombies dont attack each other witch is cool because its fun and helps the purpose of the story, and im not trying to argue with you man so chill out, im just saying in the event of real zombies (shambler/or super angry) they still die after being shot, and if you could get a fictional virus to somehow become real, like i said people get angry anyways, and a bulet will still take them down.

[hooray for zombies]

maybe it's like las plagas in resident evil 4..... nah

hooray for pointless posts!

[toxictbag]

It could happen! But my concerns are on Bird Flu. Birds can be deadly! (Draws attention to the crow in 28 Days Later)

If you mean the bit where the blood drips into that girls dads eye, it wasnt the crow :) The blood fell from the corpse up there as the crow flew off :P

[Arkeneaver]

yea there is. There was a similar story where some girl became the tenth or so person to contract and survive rabies. There's a cure but it's no guarantee.

that "some girl" was the first documented survivor of rabies actually... not the 10th. She did not survive due to some cure, she actually survived because a very small amount of the virus managed to get into the wound...
Note: she was bitten by a bat.

Even that small dose of the rabies virus can kill... scientists are still puzzled as she should have died, but her body actually killed the virus by itself, the virus reached her brain btw...meaning... the vacination we have for rabies was too late to be used. Her body became immune to the virus somehow. Theoretically... it takes months for the human body to become immune to a virus... but she proved many people wrong.

[Shroom]

blowing off an infected's head will be more 'disturbing' than that.

alot of games are more disturbing than those links, however they dont register as real.

I agree though, those links were not exactly disturbing just distasteful and anyone who does'nt wish to view such footage should read the warnings first.

[Jackie Chan]

one more thing... it has also been proven that aggression levels increase dramaticlly in humans after a week of exposure, this is also accompanied with confusion and fear.

Canines go through the same emotions, which explains the biting. If you watch footage of rabies observation:

THE FOLLOWING LINKS HAVE BEEN RATED "R" BY THE FROGOPUS MOTION PICTURE ASSOCIATION

here :URL

and here:URL

(Note: I must warn you, this footage contains violence/death of a distressing nature. DO NOT watch if you wish not to see the death of infected animals/humans.)

You will see how this agression can be used to the rabies virus's advantage to spread infection. A valid argument, is that the actual virus overrides the pancreas and unleashes these hormones in large quantities.


Aw, man. They're speaking tagalog.

I'm filipino. What can be done for an doomed, ailing child?

[Gates1986]

I have enough guns to pass around to everyone. No fear.