What Happens when a German L4D player connects to a Non-German Server? [Archive]

Necrocide

11-02-2008, 09:28 PM

The German X360 L4D is modified to remove "inhumane acts" or something of that sort.
(Not sure about the German PC version)

So what happens when they connect to a non-German Server?

Apocalypse?

It will probably provide them with an un-censored experience...but still...THAT'S JUST PLAIN MAD!!!

LordBhorak

11-02-2008, 09:32 PM

It just might be, that the other persons get a censor hammered version to play with the german? :P

Felios

11-02-2008, 09:44 PM

well obviously the country of germany exists in some wierd universe where people have green blood and violence never happens, so of course this wierd universe is going to have it's own L4D servers which people can play on.
Seriously folks, if you live in Germany tell steam you live in some other country. It's the only way.

Necrocide

11-02-2008, 10:06 PM

tell steam you live in some other country

Then the Headcrabs shall smite thee.

Hauger

11-02-2008, 10:10 PM

It's client side, not server side. Anyone can play with anyone.

Necrocide

11-02-2008, 10:14 PM

It's client side, not server side. Anyone can play with anyone.

So your saying that the German Player would play an un/semi-censored version?

For example: "Helpless" (sitting/lying) Zombies that are omitted from the German version would be included?

Skarvig

11-02-2008, 10:24 PM

Well the news aren't that right, only the german X-Box version of Left 4 dead features green blood and sitting zombies. The PC version has full red blood. And for the question : Nothing happens we can't see the gibs. It's like in Team Fortress 2.

Falco64

11-02-2008, 10:31 PM

It's not only client side changes that are made in the German version though. According to the latest news anyway. For some reason killing an unaware infected crosses the line in Germany. To me, that means any potential target will be attacking you. That is not just a client side change. A U.S player's infected will be behaving different from a German player's infected and would cause a conflict if they tried to play together.

Elvis

11-02-2008, 10:33 PM

aaah too late .. i was just registering to answer it =) Anyway so hello folks :D

I may have to add the german PC Version will have no exploding heads or falling limbs .. and the infected will vanished fast after they died. So far we don´t know how fast they will vanish .. i hope they will at least stay for long enough to make it not appear fully "unrealistic"

Hauger

11-02-2008, 11:00 PM

So your saying that the German Player would play an un/semi-censored version?
A German player with a censored version joins a server where all the other players have Un-censored versions. What happens?

The German player can't see shit like blood and so on. While the other players can see everything. Thats why I said Client side, it only affects the player with the censored version.

Elvis

11-03-2008, 01:14 AM

Skarvig

11-03-2008, 04:28 AM

Blood is still the same as teh us/uk versions, its the gibs that are missing and the faste fade of corpses.

I really don't want to repeat myself but nobody seemed to notice.

Well the news aren't that right, only the german X-Box version of Left 4 dead features green blood and sitting zombies. The PC version has full red blood. Only the gibs are cut. and of course the fast fading corpses as Elvis stated.

LordBhorak

11-03-2008, 04:39 AM

The German player can't see shit like blood and so on. While the other players can see everything. Thats why I said Client side, it only affects the player with the censored version.

So when there's a sitting zombie somewhere, the German dude can't see it, but the others can? And the german goes "WTF are you shooting that ground over there?" and the others are like "A-HA! A german player! There's a zombie sitting here, but you apparently can't see it!"

Would make the gaming a bit paranoid.

Skarvig

11-03-2008, 04:42 AM

So when there's a sitting zombie somewhere, the German dude can't see it, but the others can? And the german goes "WTF are you shooting that ground over there?" and the others are like "A-HA! A german player! There's a zombie sitting here, but you apparently can't see it!"

Well I think they only stand around and do nothing.

LordBhorak

11-03-2008, 04:46 AM

Well I think they only stand around and do nothing.

I tought of that, too, but it would then change the location of their hitboxes according to client you have, which usually might lead to some kind of unsync. But I think we'll see when we face the situation first hand, won't we?

Skarvig

11-03-2008, 05:06 AM

I tought of that, too, but it would then change the location of their hitboxes according to client you have, which usually might lead to some kind of unsync. But I think we'll see when we face the situation first hand, won't we?
Yes, indeed we will. Hope we might have a game together anytime soon.

zzott

11-03-2008, 05:23 AM

something is wrong with the germans, first, they kill all the jews theye can find, and then, there against every single thing including violence...
btw, ive got a german friend, and hes 14 years old, and guess what, he cant play any game AT ALL with a rating over 7 years...
makes me wanna hit something...

LordBhorak

11-03-2008, 05:25 AM

something is wrong with the germans, first, they kill all the jews theye can find, and then, there against every single thing including violence...

You see any connection between those 2 things? ;)

JediDwag

11-03-2008, 05:36 AM

first, they kill all the jews

Inappropriate and irrelevant.

Germans didn't do that, it was Nazis, and there is a very important difference. Let's not mention this again.

The 1 Deathgiver

11-03-2008, 05:41 AM

they kill all the jews theye can find

What JediDwag said but also, there were just as many none jews that got killed in the holocuast

Velis

11-03-2008, 05:59 AM

Censorship on every other game from valve for example hl, hl2 coresponding mods and TF2 was always handled clientside.
As german player you sometimes have a disadvantage like in TF2 the bloodstains and such aren't clearly visible. Playing sniper isn't funny when you haven't got a clearly visible hit indicator.

I played mostly on uk servers for years and nobody ever recognized by glitches or inconsistencies that I played with a german version.

Dunno how they'll make it with l4d but I don't think that you could tell if your teammate plays with a censored version.

something is wrong with the germans, first, they kill all the jews theye can find, and then, there against every single thing including violence...

Hm...it may kill your illusion but I myself never killed a jew, though I am of german descent.
Also I wouldn't for ex. suspect every white american to run around in funny robes killing coloured people in front of burning crosses.
Generalization used on nations usually ends on ignorance and questionable statements.
However I suggest to start thinking a bit, if you have german friends don't you think that you at least should know a bit about them past the history that I myself would neither deny nor want to happen again.

evrfighter

11-03-2008, 08:08 AM

Also I wouldn't for ex. suspect every white american to run around in funny robes killing coloured people in front of burning crosses.

agreed. nazi's are to germans what KKK are to americans. To view all germans as nazi's is not only wrong but incredibly stupid.

Though I don't understand completely that german gaming violence law in its entirety. Is it that German games are not allowed to show blood and gore? or are they not allowed to show violent scenes in general?

Skarvig

11-03-2008, 08:18 AM

Though I don't understand completely that german gaming violence law in its entirety. Is it that German games are not allowed to show blood and gore? or are they not allowed to show violent scenes in general?

Blood is ok, limbs (dismembering) isn't. But what are violent scnes anyway? In Half-Life 1 there was this tentacle monster and it stabbed a scientist and dragged away. Is this violent? Or the Chainsaw Zombie that cut through you in Resident Evil 4? Or that the heads explode in Resident Evil 4? Well believe me that no one can really understand german censorship. For Example Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2 Episode 1 were uncensored while Episode 2 wasn't.

Necrocide

11-03-2008, 08:29 AM

Just a note on German Censorship Vs. American (media fueled) Censorship:

America: Violence? - Sure! Nudity? - Prepare to be smited by Fox News!

Germany: Violence and "Inhumane Acts"? - GTFO! Nudity? - SURE!

Sandman77

11-03-2008, 08:40 AM

where do i change which country im in Steam?

Skarvig

11-03-2008, 09:36 AM

If you are german and you want to buy the english version simply by changing your country isn't worth a try because you identify yourself with your IP which indicates you're country you live.
So by the way : Settings (as usual) -> Interface

Sandman77

11-03-2008, 10:38 AM

Hmm in DOD Source blood is there to me etc. I must admit before I moved to Germany I had steam allready in Norway and use a Norwegian ID on it. Hmm

Skarvig

11-03-2008, 10:44 AM

Yeah if you bought it in Norway then you always use this norway DODS version, if you buy Left 4 Dead in Germany you will always use a german Left 4 Dead version. If I were you, I wouldn't care or ask a buddy in norway to buy it there and send you the key.

Quickdead

11-04-2008, 10:13 AM

Hello Guys,
I am one of the poor persons who are living in germany and can only buy the censored versions.
Because of this reason i want to import the game from uk or another country for the 360.
Now my Question:
I have of course a german registred Gamertag, if playing the import version online, will i see all the blood and gore scenes which are not in the german Version ? Or will i see nothing like the other germans who got the german version ?
This Thread confused me ^^
Thx for help

timmeh

11-04-2008, 10:27 AM

Sorry Quickdead, import 360 games won't work without an import 360. Xbox 360 games are region coded, like DVDs, so games you buy outside the country won't wok, trust me, I've been trying to find a way for about a month now, it's getting irritating, having to have all my games shipped to me while I visit other countries...

Quickdead

11-04-2008, 10:42 AM

Dead Fish

11-04-2008, 10:45 AM

My xbox is of course the pal version and i would import the game from austria that is using too pal, my friend imported gears of war from austria and its working without problems, don't know how its working online but offline with no problems.

I think you should be fine by importing it from Austria. It's what is on the disk, that actually matters. And since the the disks sold in Austria don't have any censored content on them, you should be able to play it that way too.

R26

11-04-2008, 10:50 AM

For example: "Helpless" (sitting/lying) Zombies that are omitted from the German version would be included?

I think that's only censored in the public media and box art.

Skarvig

11-04-2008, 11:00 AM

I think that's only censored in the public media and box art.
There were sitting zombies on the box art ? And how would it work to censore it in the media ? With pixels ? Or a back bar ? No they are censored in game.

Godshelp

11-04-2008, 05:59 PM

You can play with non-germans, you will just have VERY bad latency and will be VERY hard to play ;)

Thor-axe

11-04-2008, 08:14 PM

something is wrong with the germans, first, they kill all the jews theye can find
Totally inappropriate. I really can't believe you said that. I would guess there are probably more Nazis here in America now than in Germany.

Quickdead

11-04-2008, 11:32 PM

Thx for helping me guys,
a guy from a german site told me that i wouldn't be able to download different contents for the game if i import it from austria.
I must have an austrian gamertag (which i got) and an austrian IP.
Does this mean, if a new patch is ready for downloading, I'll not be able to download it and play the game online anymore?

Sry for so many Questions :(

Haree

11-04-2008, 11:59 PM

@Quickdead
That doesn't sound realistic, sounds like the guy is lying, however there are ways around it.
Most likely the worst case is that your german IP is blocked, not that it checks for an Austrian IP because that would be rediculous. If that is the case then you could just use a proxy server to download the update with an American IP. I use HotSpot Shield as an American proxy so I can buy digital purchases in dollars rather than being ripped off in £ in the UK. You would be able to use that, I'm fairly confident.
http://anchorfree.com/downloads/hotspot-shield/

Edit: Just reread and you said X-Box.....you would only be able to do what I'm suggesting if you connect your X-Box to the net through your PC, sorry.

Quickdead

11-05-2008, 01:40 AM

Haree

11-05-2008, 01:53 AM

lol ok, yeah cause green blood is gonna change the whole game experiece.

Sniper

11-05-2008, 01:57 AM

Quickdead
Buy it from steam den o.0

Dead Fish

11-05-2008, 02:11 AM

This sounds very difficult...
I was thinking a moment to buy the german version, i would have no problems than...
But... i don't wanna play with green blood this sux, i think i will not buy the game :/
Was waiting for it so long time :(

Should you be interested in getting the PC version, here is a link (http://www.hlportal.de/?site=news&do=shownews&news_id=6414) with all the facts about the censorship and how to obtain an uncensored version. Can't say much about the 360 version though, sorry.

Quickdead

11-05-2008, 04:07 AM

@ Sniper
I would buy it from steam, if i would get it for the pc

@harre
Don't want to play an ''uncompleted'' game if u know what i mean.

@ Dead Fish
Thx for the link and the help ( the site is even in german :D)

Just got the information from other sites, that i'll be able to download the patches, the only problem could be to download the extra contens like maps weapons etc.
I think i'll try it . No risk no fun ^^

Dead Fish

11-05-2008, 04:13 AM

I think i'll try it . No risk no fun ^^

Glad to hear that. ^^

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 05:01 AM

Don't want to play an ''uncompleted'' game if u know what i mean.
I have a question. Would you buy a new PC because you can't play a game at all settings maxed ? Like Crysis. I mean would you buy a new PC because you can't play Crysis at every setting at max in Direct X 10 ? If you wouldn't buy a PC and just play it at middle in DX 9 because you're computer can't handle it over middle settings ?

If you would answer the question with : "No I wouldn't buy a new PC" then I'm quoting you because you can't have a "complete game". There is less enviroment like grass and textures. So you care about how the game plays and not how it looks.

If you would answer the question with : "Hell, sure I would buy a new PC, I don't want a uncomplete experience" then I will have good news. Look through your window there is nature, which is friggin' better than HIGH DEFINITION!

Quickdead

11-05-2008, 06:25 AM

@ Skarving ...
I would take the first answer... i am buying the game for the XBOX 360, because as you said my Computer can't handle the max setting, so...why buying a censored versions with green blood and other things which CHANGE the Game experience for me and for many other german players, the settings on the 360 are anyway max. So i want invest 5€... more to import and get the full experience, better than some censored S**t.
so here's my question : Wouldn't you do the same ?

Btw Yes Nature ist better, u are right

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 06:47 AM

No, I bought the censored german version because I care about the game and not the graphics. With my preorder I can get early acces to the demo and with the USD zu € currency rate I nearly saved 10 €.
You say the game is shit because of the censorship? "get the full experience, better than some censored S**t." Well I always thought it's about a 4 player coop experience with playing together with mates and not a silly "hey there just flew a arm!" Postal 2 like game. So I can't see why this changes your experience.

USS_Stud

11-05-2008, 06:52 AM

I remember playing FEAR online with a friend of mine (when it first came out). And as our "Army Of Two" ripped the entire team a new one every hallway we swept, he looks at the floor and goes "Holy shit, look at this random arm." I look at the ground and I don't see anything, so I'm thinking "Must be client side physics-- (BAM)" that's when it hit me. I had gore clicked OFF of online play. I turned it on and we had a blast... of blood and guts.

TL;DR
Perhaps, censored or not, the game will just play itself. Depending on your region version. Zombie explodes; USA sees an exploding human being, Germany will see green.

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 07:30 AM

USA sees an exploding human being, Germany will see green.
Well no thats not correct. The boomer will still explode but its blood is green, and if someone is throwing a grenade (dynamite) we don't see just limbless bodies we see just a corpse. And only the X-Box version has green blood the PC version has red blood.

USS_Stud

11-05-2008, 07:36 AM

The boomer will still explode but its blood is green, and if someone is throwing a grenade (dynamite) we don't see just limbless bodies we see just a corpse.
USA sees an exploding human being, Germany will see green.

Quickdead

11-05-2008, 07:53 AM

@ Skarvig
I can understand your statement.
But the fact is that other people (like me) don't like censored games and want to see what the other players from other countries see.
I've still not preordered the game, i will wait till the demo, which will hopefully on the german marketplace too.
After the Demo i will make my decision if i buy the german or the uncut version.
Maybe the game will be interesting with green blood.
Btw Do you preordered the xbox or pc version skarvig ?

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 07:55 AM

Well please don't get me wrong but there is a difference, isn't there ? In your sentence you said that you see a "human being" who is exploding and we would see green. Which originally would mean this : http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=difference2my2.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=difference2my2.jpg)

well I also thought about it like this : http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=differencelb0.jpg (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=differencelb0.jpg)

Well our Zombies still explode like in the usa, we can see the explosion and shit you know? The blood colour is changed and we don't have gibs. But hey I'm not raised in the english language and if the sentence would make sense in the US I'm sorry but it didn't made sense here so I tried to explained it.

Velis

11-05-2008, 08:09 AM

Concerning the PC-Version:

german speaking people go here:

http://www.hlportal.de/?site=news&do=shownews&news _id=6414 (http://www.hlportal.de/?site=news&do=shownews&news_id=6414)

For the others who are interested:

PC-Version:

There are 3 censored elements:
-no exploding heads
-no severed limbs
-no ragdoll physics after a zombie is killed, instead rather fast disappearance of corpses

Other things:
-hit feedback remains the same in all versions, no animations changed
-blood is the same as in every other country except german xbox version
-full compatibility between german and international versions

The demo will be cut for german steam clients, applying the same censorship as retail so you can make a decision to order an import if you're disappointed because of the censorship.

Import retail versions will be uncut and won't be censored afterwards when installed on a german steam client.

Guess that will brighten things up a bit, the article states that these facts are confirmed by valve.

USS_Stud

11-05-2008, 08:11 AM

But hey I'm not raised in the english language and if the sentence would make sense in the US I'm sorry but it didn't made sense here so I tried to explained it.
I understand you fine. I think you just misunderstood me and took me literally. I didn't mean your screen turns green like its trying to censor the explosion. I meant the US will see a typical exploding human being, German ver. will probably show just a green mist of blood exploding.

You're pretty much saying what I already said.

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 08:12 AM

Concerning the PC-Version:

Don't worry I tried to explain this a few times but people are constantly ignoring that.

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 09:25 AM

I understand you fine. I think you just misunderstood me and took me literally. I didn't mean your screen turns green like its trying to censor the explosion. I meant the US will see a typical exploding human being, German ver. will probably show just a green mist of blood exploding.

No, you don't understand. There is nearly no difference Between the 2 versions. You say you see someone explode while we do not but thats not true. If you want to say that the blood looks different then say it and if this isn't your intention then you are not right and we don't say the same thing.

Keptron

11-05-2008, 09:29 AM

green blood
Green blood is way more "Horrible/Nasty" than normal blood ... I think it was the same as playing with normal blood :S I don't know why of the change

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 09:50 AM

You know what the funny thing is ? The german X-Box version is the only version with the right blood. Everyone saw the L4D Intro ? Remember where Bill analyses the zombie corpse, the blood was green there.

Quickdead

11-05-2008, 09:52 AM

I hope the blood will be a very dark green,
the most thing what i dont like will be that there are no or short ragdoll physics. In my opinion, in a zombie game corpses should be on the ground

Warheart

11-05-2008, 09:54 AM

the blood was green there.

That was boomer bile. If you haven't seen it the lower half of the boomers corpse is leaning to the wall next to Louis.

Quickdead

11-05-2008, 09:55 AM

@ Skarving the green blood was maybe what a boomer vomits on you or ? Because Bill says '' they are changing'' this just my opinion ^^

Skarvig

11-05-2008, 10:29 AM

That was boomer bile. If you haven't seen it the lower half of the boomers corpse is leaning to the wall next to Louis.
Ah dammit. Would have been funny though :D

Quickdead

11-06-2008, 02:59 AM

Yes ^^
Today we can finally play the demo.. those who preordered.. but i am very happy at the moment... why? People who are preordering at gamestop get a early acces too. I was Typing just for fun a code on their site for the early acces and today the sent me an email with the early acces code for the xbox... can't believe it... i am downloading the game now without preordering it ^^