Avoid the horde at gas station

[kennykjc]

Effectively avoid them at least..

I seen some guys do this on Versus where it would be more effective than Co-op.

3 guys just hole up in the building that is near the gas station, 1 goes to get the switch and just incase he gets jumped before he gets back, there is 1 sniper covering him.

What ensues is a hopeless attempt from infected and special infected trying to get in the windows (which are of course covered).

Then the horde stops and they calmly walk towards the lift easily dealing with special infected.

They somehow denied this was an exploit >:(

[lawlhat]

They somehow denied this was an exploit >:(

It isn't an exploit.

[kennykjc]

Yeah ok.

[NovaSilisko]

Strategy != Exploit.

[Shrubberyjsc]

Strategy != Exploit.

What he said.

[kennykjc]

Unbeatable = exploit with cheese on top.

[greenonion]

Me = CHEESE WITH EXPLOIT ON TOP

[krunsh]

It isn't an exploit

[Haggle]

It isn't an exploit
Better late than never I 'spose.

[kennykjc]

Yes it is.

[Tongued]

Its not an exploit, its called being smart enough and organized enough to use the map to your advantage.

[Deek]

Dude. It's not an exploit. It's friggin' smart play. The first time I saw a group do that, I was embarrassed I hadn't thought of it sooner, myself.

Just make sure you blow up the station before you take shelter in that building. The car inside explodes when the gas station does. Tell you what, surprised the HELL outta me the first time ...

[SpitefulCrow]

Instead of everyone telling you how it's not an exploit, why don't you tell everyone how it IS?

[NdRw]

I normally just haul ass to the warehouse entrance via the rooftop, have a dude cover the hole in the floor, and have the other 3 blast any infected coming through the window.... but the building sounds better, and doesn't sound like an exploit. same thing i do but in a different area

[Thor-axe]

It's not an exploit. And Valve isn't gonna do anything to change it, so either learn to deal with it, or uninstall the game.

[Infest0125]

Instead of everyone telling you how it's not an exploit, why don't you tell everyone how it IS?

I'm agreeing with this.

Because ff this is an exploit, then so is running to higher ground, finding cover, and possibly even picking up weapons 0_o

[Fearless]

Instead of everyone telling you how it's not an exploit, why don't you tell everyone how it IS?

[xen3000]

It is as much an exploit as holding up in the barn in the Blood Harvest finale. First time playing in the barn it felt a little cheap, but then I thought of all the other places I could try and survive at... :)

Variety = more fun

[TheStrife]

Working as intended.

[kennykjc]

Instead of everyone telling you how it's not an exploit, why don't you tell everyone how it IS?

Why do you think Versus maps are different to co-op maps? Valve have to test the gameplay and see where things may be unfair to the survivors or infected.

And this is a classic example, and one that was obviously missed in testing. It's not a smart tactic, it's an exploit. Why is it an exploit? Because it thus makes it an impossibility for the infected to do anything once they get to this room. What are the infected supposed to do? Just wait outside? For what? With no zombies around you're picked off the moment you rear your head.

And the reason it's different to regular closet cheese is that it both negates a crucial 'crushendo' event whilst also being in a room that is elevated and not so easy (impossible infact) to at least get an attack in. Unlike other cheesing, it guarantees the survivors to be able to travel a significantly large distance with no zombies around.

[MoSteel]

What are the infected supposed to do? Just wait outside? For what? With no zombies around you're picked off the moment you rear your head.

Come up with their own strategy to counteract this strategy? but then that would require some thinking, effort, and teamwork to counteract thinking, effort, and teamwork by the Survivors. Better to just claim it's an exploit.

[NdRw]

Come up with their own strategy to counteract this strategy? but then that would require some thinking, effort, and teamwork to counteract thinking, effort, and teamwork by the Survivors. Better to just claim it's an exploit.

wham.

[FaceGrater]

Effectively avoid them at least..

I seen some guys do this on Versus where it would be more effective than Co-op.

3 guys just hole up in the building that is near the gas station, 1 goes to get the switch and just incase he gets jumped before he gets back, there is 1 sniper covering him.

What ensues is a hopeless attempt from infected and special infected trying to get in the windows (which are of course covered).

Then the horde stops and they calmly walk towards the lift easily dealing with special infected.

They somehow denied this was an exploit >:(

Haha, i was in that game with you Kenny, major Cheese! And MoSteel, ther eis nothing the infected can do. All they can do is wait for them to leave, but by then, the crescendo is over and there is no cover from the horde. It is indeed an exploit.

[Fearless]

Well that's just plain boring.

[kennykjc]

Come up with their own strategy to counteract this strategy? but then that would require some thinking, effort, and teamwork to counteract thinking, effort, and teamwork by the Survivors. Better to just claim it's an exploit.

Well assuming they make it to the room, I'm all for hearing your ideas.

Because they are untouchable for the entire duration of the horde, and then it's plain sailing for the next half mile since there are no zombies around and the only thing the infected can do is push way forward since that is a huge open area (with no zombies).

[timmeh]

With some coordination from the infected you could still do some serious damage. If they do use this tactic then the guy that goes to press the button is particularly vulnerable to a decent smoker pulling him out of his allies view range.

Even after the end of the crescendo event you can still do some damage, as if you didn't attack during the event you have definitely had enough time to formulate some type of strategy, and all spawn in, allowing you to all attack at the same time, which could still be trouble

For example, you should at this point have 2 hunters, a smoker, and a boomer, unless you got the Tank, in which case coming up with a strategy shouldn't be to difficult. So if the hunters both pounce different people at the same time the smoker grabs some one and pulls them to the boomer, there will be pain. Perhaps not as much as there may have been if they hadn't used this "exploit", but a substantial amount none the less.

While I haven't ever seen this done, I have managed to get a team that was coordinated enough to kill the survivors in the area near the crescendo event, without them even touching the button.

[RaggleFraggle]

and then it's plain sailing for the next half mile since there are no zombies around and the only thing the infected can do is push way forward since that is a huge open area (with no zombies).
..WGHAT!? Are you saying the Director is BORKEN or something? Learn to correct spelling errors first of all, second, WGHAT?
EDIT: Dear god do not yell at me for spelling errors unless you people are so blind to not see it is intentional...

[timmeh]

Having re-read the first post, what about this?

Make sure everyone is alive, or re-spawning, when the survivors approach and start to clear the area. The boomer hides as close to the room the 3 survivors will be hiding in as he safely can, while the two hunters climb on the roof in the far corner (just across from the restaurant), and the smoker sets up somewhere where he can pull the stray out of his allies view range as quickly as possible (no advise for the exact location, I don't know the map that well).

None of them act until the stray summons the horde. Once he has, the first hunter jumps into the room with the 3 survivors, causing a distraction long enough for the boomer to plant itself amongst them and puke on as many of them as it can, then suicide (bind "k" kill). As soon as the boomer makes his move the smoker grabs the stray, and once the stray has been pulled aside the hunter takes over (long range pounce, or maybe plant himself closer in the first place) and the smoker retreats.

You can hope the tongue recharges before anyone can come over to help him, so you can pull the first would-be-helper off to the side, but this isn't too likely, but at least he can survive to pull another survivor off the roof later.

The first hunter is likely to die pretty fast, but if the boomer pulls off his part the horde will attack the three holed up instead of the stray, keeping them occupied while the stray is pulled to the side and wounded, incapacitated, or killed.

It's far from perfect, but it's a decent starting point for someone with more experience than myself.

[mbronkowski]

I don't think it's an exploit, but valve may want to change it because if something is to easy for one of the sides it's no fun for one of the sides. To give you an example on coop no mercy finaly you have a closed staircase leading to the secound floor, it's realy easy to defend in there, on versus however valve puted the stairs outside so both side would have fun. Still since it is posible i would consider it a valid strategy because other way we would soon have people telling you that using m4 is an exploit because it is to powerfull. Still if this is so overpowering for Survivors (i haven't tried it so i realy don't know) then valve shoud propobly amend the grage layout.

[mbronkowski]

then suicide (bind "k" kill) well that is surely an exploit :P

[xen3000]

..WGHAT!? Are you saying the Director is BORKEN or something? Learn to correct spelling errors first of all, second, WGHAT?
EDIT: Dear god do not yell at me for spelling errors unless you people are so blind to not see it is intentional...


I LOLed at the edit...
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Valve could simply make one of the internal walls a break-away wall; that would make it a less enclosed location.

[timmeh]

[EDIT]: @ the comment about the bind &quot;k&quot; kill being and exploit......

That may be, but seeing as they minimized fall damage, you can jump off a roof and pretend that killed you if it makes you feel better.

Seriously though, I don't typically use that unless I get stuck, or fall into a death pit and don't want to wait until I hit the bottom to die. However, I've seen a lot of other people use it, so I thought it was a tactic/exploit worth mentioning.

[Lukeydoodly]

Good strategy.

You need to l2p.

[Sifer2]

How is it an exploit if they are not skipping the horde? They are fighting them at a better position really. Camping in closets an spamming the overpowered melee is closer to exploiting but even that's legal until valve does something.

[stungravy]

It's a cheap ass move maybe, but I don't think it's an exploit.

Besides, they have to set off the switch somehow, if they all go inside you can do some damage then. If only one guy goes let him flip the switch, then go all out on him. If you manage to incap or pull him back he's screwed.

[Deadly]

It isn't an exploit, and it isn't impossible for the infected to kill them there. Playing with friends that are good with teamwork, we managed to do some serious damage before they even got to the elevator. There is more then one way into that room as well. There are two windows, and a door. The door even has cover from the cars for crying out loud! That room is a number of things, but it certainly is not an exploit. You just need better coordination and planning to kill them in there, that's all. Hell, even in the barn on the blood harvest finale, all the survivors were camping on the top in a corner with only one way to attack. We managed to kill TWO of them before the truck came. You simply need to get better.

[FaceGrater]

I think the best one would be to at least grab the stray as smoker with the hunter distraction and the boomer attack. There are multiple entrances, but hey are easy to cover since the room is so small. And if the survivors are well coordinated (like the ones we faced), then not much is going to get through that window. And if anything does manage to sneak in, it will get killed the instance it attacks one of them (in the case of the hunter). The best thing, i think is that you have to act before they get et up and are ready. The best way to do that is to spawn at the same time and attack together.

[RaggleFraggle]

Like going behind the building thinga-magig in No Mercy Finale? :D!

[iKissedABoomer]

It's an exploit because you suck.

[kennykjc]

I think the best one would be to at least grab the stray as smoker with the hunter distraction and the boomer attack. There are multiple entrances, but hey are easy to cover since the room is so small. And if the survivors are well coordinated (like the ones we faced), then not much is going to get through that window. And if anything does manage to sneak in, it will get killed the instance it attacks one of them (in the case of the hunter). The best thing, i think is that you have to act before they get et up and are ready. The best way to do that is to spawn at the same time and attack together.

Yup, the only way you can defeat it is to get them BEFORE they get to the room. And that's if you KNOW they will be going up there.

If they get there, the smartest thing for the infected to do is to set up an ambush half a mile down the road. All these people saying it's beatable need to provide a demo for proof or stop saying &quot;OMGZ U SUCK!&quot; and tell Valve to stop making balance changes to Versus mode.

[Renegade26]

You can still beat the team even if they have a good strategy to counter zombie hordes. Get them later on in the map, stop them from getting to their favourite position by slowing them as they activate the lift, or just PLAY BETTER LOLOL, its certainly not an exploit to be rewarded for going beyond the obvious, and if they mess it up and dont make it to the high ground, they will surely fail, as that area is only possible using the height advantages available. if you are left on the ground you will die.

Also this is not the only area where you can stand in a position better than the most obvious one available (like opposite of the elevator room NM4), are they &quot;exploits&quot; as well?

[FaceGrater]

You can still beat the team even if they have a good strategy to counter zombie hordes. Get them later on in the map, stop them from getting to their favourite position by slowing them as they activate the lift, or just PLAY BETTER LOLOL, its certainly not an exploit to be rewarded for going beyond the obvious, and if they mess it up and dont make it to the high ground, they will surely fail, as that area is only possible using the height advantages available. if you are left on the ground you will die.

Also this is not the only area where you can stand in a position better than the most obvious one available (like opposite of the elevator room NM4), are they &quot;exploits&quot; as well?

As i said before, i was in this game with kenny. Im not a terrible player, not the best, but not terrible. The room is so small that all four can easily cover any entrances. There is a corner that they can hold out in with all the windows in front of them. And the infected players, the moment they show their ugly faces, get blasted. &quot;Playing better&quot; can only take you so far. And its worse than a closet in some ways since the angles of the room make it hard for a smoker to pull someone out. It may not be an &quot;exploit&quot; in the purest sense, but it does kill the fun and flow of the game for the infected.

[RaggleFraggle]

It's an exploit because you suck.
... Are you sure it's not because YOU suck? Your face looks like it has some mighty nasty warts.. you sure you don't have Facial Herpes?

EDIT: *COUGHBURNCOUGH*

[Deek]

Just be ready for it. It's like the dime defense in football, when the fuckers go four wide. The poor dude who has to hit the switch will fux'd if a Boomer hurls on his teammates just as he presses the button for the lift ... good like with all that.

[theodore]

I don't give a crap about this. every side gets a chance. in my mind a majority of the maps are better for infected than survivors so if the survivors get one lil easily covered safe haven, so be it. there's another place just like this on the hospital at the elevator. a little closet just big enough for them all to huddle in during the creshendo event and just blast out the door. if you fail to get them before they get in this safe spot then just get them after. plan ahead and don't spawn while they're hiding in there. people bitch about this crap to much. be a sport and suck up your whining. it's just a game.

[iKissedABoomer]

... Are you sure it's not because YOU suck? Your face looks like it has some mighty nasty warts.. you sure you don't have Facial Herpes?

EDIT: *COUGHBURNCOUGH*


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