Something that could cause a delay [Archive]

asu

07-24-2007, 03:31 AM

Someone at the steam forums posted something interesting he noticed:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.p hp?s=1c9f6d574119acc892107c5812a2987e&t=579444 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=1c9f6d574119acc892107c5812a2987e&t=579444)
I think he has a good point there. Hopefully TRS will fix the weapons AND release L4D on time.

Dead Fish

07-24-2007, 03:36 AM

This is like a parody of overly nitpicky complaints.

QFT

Hauger

07-24-2007, 03:50 AM

Well, I partly agree with the dude, but that is something they could fix after release.

toxictbag

07-24-2007, 03:56 AM

I personally like it when you stick in a clip into the M16 and pull back the thingy :P It looks cool :3

darksora2323

07-24-2007, 04:00 AM

great more things to push it back
yay for angry fans

asu

07-24-2007, 04:14 AM

that is something they could fix after release.
I second that.

darksora2323

07-24-2007, 04:18 AM

that is something they could fix after release.
third that

KashMunni

07-24-2007, 04:27 AM

ah well i want the game to be as good as it can be too

basic

07-24-2007, 05:12 AM

wow... ppl on steam forums are ridiculous. that's something that can and should be fixed after the game releases. weapons that don't reload realistically aren't going to make or break the game. just because that one gun freak is going to lose sleep over it doesn't mean TRS should waste time trying to satisfy his little requests. (And i'm sure they won't)

i love the feedback he got, lol!

Chronos

07-24-2007, 05:18 AM

Won't be fixed. Game's not supposed to be realistic. I forgot that M16's are normally automatic with 50 round mags as well.

No Shelter

07-24-2007, 05:33 AM

I highly doubt you will be looking at your reload when your facing a bunch of infected. But then again some people are like that so let them be. I guess that guy should go complain about CS:S now, theres a lot of weapon errors in that too.

Teh Swat

07-24-2007, 06:00 AM

Yeah, the whole zombie thing is unrealistic too, lets complain about that?

Plankie

07-24-2007, 06:07 AM

The game doesn't say that it's a m16 or whatever. It's just a fictional weapon that looks like it, and doesn't have to be operated the exact same way. Even if they decide to change it, I doubt it takes a long time to change it and I doubt that it would delay the release. It's not like it's "OMG WE HAVE TO CHANGE AN ANIMATION SLIGHTLY!!! DELAY IT 5 YEARS!".

asu

07-24-2007, 06:21 AM

lol, I love how people from this forum flame against people from the steam forum :D

Teh Swat

07-24-2007, 06:29 AM

lol, I love how people from this forum flame against people from the steam forum :D

They aren't worthy to be considered fans.

Quotidius

07-24-2007, 06:30 AM

I forgot that M16's are normally automatic with 50 round mags as well.

The ones that predate the M16A2, yes. All the subsequent models (if I recall correctly) are limited to semi-automatic/burst fire.
Still, does it matter? The excessive amount of rounds in a single mag can be attributed to the sheer magnitude of foes one faces regularly in the game.

No Shelter

07-24-2007, 06:43 AM

The ones that predate the M16A2, yes. All the subsequent models (if I recall correctly) are limited to semi-automatic/burst fire.
Still, does it matter? The excessive amount of rounds in a single mag can be attributed to the sheer magnitude of foes one faces regularly in the game.

The only automatic M16's were the M16, M16A1, and M16A3. M16A2 and A4 are limited to semi and burst. there are extended mags for the M16 but it would be longer and either a drum mag.

Quotidius

07-24-2007, 06:44 AM

The only automatic M16's were the M16, M16A1, and M16A3. M16A2 and A4 are limited to semi and burst. there are extended mags for the M16 but it would be longer and either a drum mag.

I thought only the AR series supported drum mags?

Chronos

07-24-2007, 08:07 AM

The ones that predate the M16A2, yes. All the subsequent models (if I recall correctly) are limited to semi-automatic/burst fire.
Still, does it matter? The excessive amount of rounds in a single mag can be attributed to the sheer magnitude of foes one faces regularly in the game.
Forgot my sarcasm tags. Nobody cares about realism in a game that's not focusing on realism is basically my point.

AckAck

07-24-2007, 08:17 AM

That guy is such a D-bag. Its amazing when he can complain about the realism of weapon's reload animations without questioning the vary idea this game stands on (Infection, Mutations,Zombies) Maybe complaints like this would hold up on the Insurgency forum but for a Zombie shoot'em up...

Asura

07-24-2007, 08:26 AM

OMFG! so no game? realism to them? i want just play jesus *****!!!
but that is something they could fix after release.

agenthenry

07-24-2007, 08:27 AM

the more personally satisfying it is for gun-ophiles like me
ahaha... naughty

Lolerskates

07-24-2007, 08:42 AM

I personally like it when you stick in a clip into the M16 and pull back the thingy :P It looks cool :3

I like it too because it means the devs aren't retarded when it comes to guns and know how to properly reload an m16.(see: Counter Strike. NOT PULLING THE CHARGING HANDLE, BUT PULLING THE FORWARD ASSIST. YOU DON'T EVEN PULL THE FORWARD ASSIST, YOU PRESS IT. GOOD JOB VALVE).

Ahem. It's not about lols griping about an unrealistic game being unrealistic, it's about common sense.

Halfeatendonkey

07-24-2007, 08:46 AM

oh god damit,that guy on the Steam Forum is just like my damn Bro...Always Complaining about small things like that...i say we all hunt him down and beat him like the infected will when he is Looking for Glitches and bugs on the Weapons ! Who's With me !

Lolerskates

07-24-2007, 08:50 AM

Ahem. It's not about lols griping about an unrealistic game being unrealistic, it's about common sense.

Also, someone pointing out small flaws that annoy them isn't a bad thing. you're going to see this animation thousands of times. I think I'd get tired of it after a while.

No Shelter

07-24-2007, 08:50 AM

I thought only the AR series supported drum mags?

No, pretty much everything supports drum mags.

Lolerskates

07-24-2007, 08:53 AM

No, pretty much everything supports drum mags.

Glock pistols and submachine guns can be fitted with drum mags, equaling very fun experiences.

Hauger

07-24-2007, 09:06 AM

I want the game to come out, but i also want it ti be at the best, so I don't know for sure.

Asura

07-24-2007, 09:26 AM

If its just for wepon animations what needs to be fixed. I prefer game come erlier than fix those.

Lolerskates

07-24-2007, 09:39 AM

yeah I rather have it be released and just get new weapon skins.

Chronos

07-24-2007, 09:48 AM

As if a game would actually be delayed due to improper weapon animations.

Shrubberyjsc

07-24-2007, 10:17 AM

Here's where I draw the line:

If it would affect gameplay, then fix it before release.

If it's purely cosmetic, then fix it at any time after release.

So something like the Boomer clipping thru walls should be fixed ASAP, but reloads and even placeholder stuff, I don't much care about.

Fish_Elite

07-24-2007, 02:10 PM

yes it would be nice to have it accurate whether it comes befor release or after i can't stan cs and having the ejectionports on the wrong side makes noooo sense im not asking for them to push it back any ..... just get it done eventually ....as i think mike booth would and will probably do

dontleave

07-24-2007, 02:24 PM

The phrase, "could care less," comes to mind when reading that topic...

If it would affect gameplay, then fix it before release.

If it's purely cosmetic, then fix it at any time after release.

And im surprised they didn't complain about the magic 50 before this... >.<

And while they're at fixing stuff making it more realistic, a real rabies mutated Tank would only take 5 hits with a shotty to kill, c'mon TRS! EVERYONE knows that!

Lolerskates

07-24-2007, 02:34 PM

Xerosnake90

07-24-2007, 10:16 PM

Dude, this is something they could fix within probably a few hours o.O; You guys make it seem like those 2 things are gonna delay it by weeks.

For the 1911 thing, all they have to do is programn the slide to stay back and put it in place. Since they already have an animation for the slide being at the end, they gotta just make a frame for it were it's pulled back. It like this, Frame1 is normal gun to Frame2 with slide back. Not that hard to fix

For the M16 problem, all they have to do is take the reloading animation and cut the part where he pulls it back, even easier than the 1911 problem.

Synapse

07-24-2007, 11:24 PM

Omg who cares unless you dedicate your life to guns then you're not going to know this anyway and if you are a gun junkie then pretty much every computer game in the world will let you down for realism it's just something you have to face, I mean who remembers games where when you reloaded your gun moved down a bit and your ammo refilled, the point being that any reloading animation that involves clips and loading a new round into the chamber is pretty realistic as far as things go.

PS if this delays L4D release I'm going to hunt down the gun-obsessed freak who posted that original thread and make him eat his own router ><

Edz

07-25-2007, 12:33 AM

Ahem. It's not about lols griping about an unrealistic game being unrealistic, it's about common sense.

Stop being silly and quoting yourself. Guns are not common sense, unless you are some yanky gun freak. Most people in the world have never even held a real gun.

Lolerskates

07-25-2007, 02:41 AM

Who said anything about it having to do with real life? How do you think they get gun animations or sounds? Look at a picture and make shit up?

Edz

07-25-2007, 06:02 AM

Who said anything about it having to do with real life? How do you think they get gun animations or sounds? Look at a picture and make shit up?

No relevance to what i said.

Dead Fish

07-25-2007, 06:17 AM

Stop being silly and quoting yourself. Guns are not common sense, unless you are some yanky gun freak. Most people in the world have never even held a real gun.

Truth. No one cares.

m4stryfe

07-25-2007, 07:33 AM

Technically... if anyone is concerned with realism... you could make the argument that the person holding the m16 is inexperienced with the weapon (bc not EVERYONE has held and shot an m16... I've shot guns but not that one) and they might not even know they only have to pull the charging handle back one time (I didn't until now). Ignorance = realism??? Maybe haha.

And anyway (and I could be wrong on this) aren't the standard m16 rifles (that the military use today) only single shot and 3 round burst anyway? Bill should be the only one with an automatic m16 as those were standard in vietnam (they were more along the lines of the AR-15 I think? and I doubt he'd still have his - unless u can keep em I dunno). So the entire weapon is not realistic if you think about it (the fact that they'd be able to get their hands on it). So then who cares about the gun animation?

But I guess you could make the argument that Bill could of showed the other characters how to properly reload the m16... I dunno.

Bottom line... fix the animation AFTER release to satisfy the gun nuts but give us the damn game already! They should of put a damn m4 in there anyway... I'd be happy if they just blatantly copied CS:S's (that's alot of ssssss) m4 and gave it an extended mag (like Rainbow Six style).

Synapse

07-25-2007, 07:43 AM

LOL I think it'd be funny to click and your character just freak out shaking and drop the gun

m4stryfe

07-25-2007, 07:50 AM

HAHA yeah it would

Lolerskates

07-25-2007, 09:52 AM

And anyway (and I could be wrong on this) aren't the standard m16 rifles (that the military use today) only single shot and 3 round burst anyway? Bill should be the only one with an automatic m16 as those were standard in vietnam (they were more along the lines of the AR-15 I think?

Nah, the m4's now are single, three round, and auto. the AR 15 is really just the base for every m16/m4/whatever we've used since nam.

Teknobry

07-25-2007, 11:59 AM

Quite simply...

http://www.tech-phobia.com/assets/images/frustrated.jpg

There is some super anal, boring topics/posts this week.

m4stryfe

07-25-2007, 12:26 PM

Teknobry

07-25-2007, 12:50 PM

Instead of calling the guns 'colt cx285' and 'M16 1AX' and have a load of firearms nerds fall of their chairs screaming about realism and all that b0ll0cks, they should rename the guns 'fred' 'steve' 'paul' ...that way you geekazoids won't have that huge vein on your forehead throbbing because the bolt action doesn't look exactly how it does in your 'naked dudes with guns' video.

Lolerskates

07-25-2007, 01:02 PM

Looks like you care more than us, as evident by your superfluous near-double post disaster.

Teknobry

07-25-2007, 01:19 PM

How is it a near double post disaster sweet cheeks? My 2nd post was inspired after reading m4stryfe's bilge about weapon specifications.

hooray for zombies

07-25-2007, 01:56 PM

this is Fred, he's my boomstick

Lolerskates

07-25-2007, 02:01 PM

this is Fred, he's my boomstick

what'd he cost?

and it was nearly a double post because the times were close. Why you posted doesn't matter.

iRelentless

07-25-2007, 02:03 PM

and it was nearly a double post because the times were close. Why you posted doesn't matter.
There was nearly an hour between his two posts, and about 30mins between his second and m4stryfe's...

No Shelter

07-25-2007, 02:06 PM

I know that the m4's are single 3X and auto... my question was about the standard M16 : ) - I believe the m16 is the A2 version (could be wrong) and that is single and 3X burst... the l4d assault rifle has been named the m16... not the m4

And yes stupid topic but I'm bored...

Standard M16 right now is the M16A4, semi and burst. M16(A1), M16A1 and M16A3 are full auto and semi. M16A2 and A4 are burst and semi.

Synapse

07-25-2007, 10:17 PM

Standard M16 right now is the M16A4, semi and burst. M16(A1), M16A1 and M16A3 are full auto and semi. M16A2 and A4 are burst and semi.

http://www.fototime.com/4F6BC227120BB41/standard.jpg (http://www.fototime.com/4F6BC227120BB41/standard.jpg)

m4stryfe

07-26-2007, 02:49 AM

Thx Shelter for the info. Didn't know that I couldn't ask a gun question. Jeez calm down. My original post was AGAINST the gun nuts by countering what the original guy said about "OMG the handle is getting pulled back so many times!!! I'm gonna kill myself!!!".... I could care less if the guy in the game knows how to reload an m16. We are all gonna die ALL the time playing this game - a reload animation isn't gonna save us. Tho I guess I was a little too specific in my realism = ignorance argument and now I'm a gun nut... Whatever.

Synapse is my hero btw haha - nice cannon.

Zombie Ade

07-26-2007, 10:14 AM

Synapse

07-26-2007, 10:34 AM

Synapse is my hero btw haha - nice cannon.

So the ladies say.

Dead Fish

07-26-2007, 10:47 AM

So the ladies say.
Seriously, rofl.

Since we are talking about guns already, this topic needs more penis related jokes. :)

No Shelter

07-26-2007, 02:43 PM

I can't tell, but so what if I know a lot about guns? Laugh at me about it? Fine. We could use more ignorant people here.

Prometheus

07-26-2007, 03:44 PM

There was nearly an hour between his two posts, and about 30mins between his second and m4stryfe's...

QFT

We could use more ignorant people here.

Have you read the rest of this forum?

No Shelter

07-26-2007, 03:45 PM

Have you read the rest of this forum?

Sarcasm? Maybe?

Prometheus

07-26-2007, 05:09 PM

Sarcasm? Maybe?

lil bit.

Lolerskates

07-27-2007, 05:37 AM

Now that I've read the link in the first post most of the people who replied to that guy were full of **** too.

"Obviously you have not animated for a video game that will be released to potentially millions."

"Realism? Yes....this game is based on realism..."

Wow.