Left 4 Dead Update Is Here! (revived, contains old news)

[Obama Yo Momma]

Enjoy^^
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2162/

[Kjeldoran]

No versus maps but nice patch anyway !

[Godshelp]

OMG OMG OMG I AM SO HAPPY!!!!! THANKS

[Obama Yo Momma]

Made the Tank and Witch spawn directly on the escape route

-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sagesource]

"Increased Minimum damage a Hunter pounce does"

Who knew that Yoda worked for Valve?

[one of them]

yayz

[blackdeath]

This is a solid patch.

[Infest0125]

Holy shit great patch!

[DethPenguin]

"Fixed Survivors being able to climb surfaces marked for versus infected only"

Does this also refer to the truck near the gas station at the beginning of no mercy 3? Or the other truck across the bridge on Death Toll 1?

"Shooting near a car with an alarm that has already fired the alarm will no longer make chirping noises"

Finally :)

"Fixed propane tanks (and other physics objects) causing players to fall through elevators"

Was having fun killing the bots in commentary :(

"Fixed several map exploits"

ayayayayaya

"Normalized special infected melee damage"

Does this mean no 10 dmg hunter claw?

"Fixed Smoker tongue tolerance
Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break
Survivor's cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging
Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer
Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors"

AYAYAYAYA

[sagesource]

"Fixed several map exploits"

Let's see if they missed any.

[odj]

Made the Tank and Witch spawn directly on the escape route

Wait... what does that mean? o.O

[Dead Fish]

Awesome, can't wait to play now! :D I think the Smoker changes are the most important. Does that mean he can drag people all the way out of a closet, as long as they don't shoot him? Boomer + Smoker = anti-closet!

"Fixed mini-gun physics exploit" Not an easter egg after all ;)

[Obama Yo Momma]

Wait... what does that mean? o.O

Buttrape exit left.

[one of them]

Best part: Easier to pounce a Survivor who is meleeing

[Godshelp]

"Easier to pounce a Survivor who is meleeing"
FUCK YEAH!! LETS SEE WHAT THIS CAN DO >:D

[DethPenguin]

"Fixed mini-gun physics exploit
Did they only look at mini-guns or all entities?
Bum bum bum

[Obama Yo Momma]

Awesome, can't wait to play now! :D

"Fixed mini-gun physics exploit" Not an easter egg after all ;)


STEAM SERVERS DOWN AGAIN?!!?

[Ragnorok161]

All the servers need to get the latest patch anyways, but still, friends down =/

[Dead Fish]

STEAM SERVERS DOWN AGAIN?!!?

I hope not... I'm just not on my own PC right now. ;)

edit: Dang, looks like it's down for real, again.

[Godshelp]

When i try to login to the community, it says "Error verifying humanity" XD epic

[Keptron]

Made the Tank and Witch spawn directly on the escape route
Oh yesssss, I think I came!

Edit:
It say that Steam servers are busy and I got kicked from L4D some minutes ago, it's because of update?

[Goldkills]

ya steam is down

[arsis]

"Fixed exploit where players could spawn infected bots"

THANK YOU!! I hated this exploit more than any...

"Reduced autoshotgun damage against Tanks"

That's a stupid one imo.

[Godshelp]

"Improved loading time"
Like it wasn't fast enough before O.O lol
THIS IS THE GREATEST PATCH ON VALVE GAMES!!!

[lawlhat]

Steam is down now for updates and I just got a steam gift so it freaked out and dissipated. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Slitka]

where the hell is the sdk?

[Girls Are Pretty]

This is an absolutely fantastic patch. Good work Valve.

Steam is down now for updates and I just got a steam gift so it freaked out and dissipated. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

E-mail them.

[Keptron]

where the hell is the sdk?
Sleeping in the Mines of Moria with the Balrog ( Lord of The Rings )

[CarrionSwarmJosh]

Not one thing I don't like about this patch.

[Steve Cloud]

Fucking awesome.

<div class="quote">Reduced autoshotgun damage against Tanks</div>

Ha-ha!

<div class="quote">Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors</div>
<div class="quote">Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer</div>

Thank you!

[Dreamscribe]

They buffed the Smoker so much. I wonder what it means by &quot;Normalized Special Infected Melee damage&quot;, though. Do all classes do 10 damage per swipe now? If so, I'm fucking pumped.

[Dead Fish]

where the hell is the sdk?

Not included, sadly... New VS maps > SDK, anways. ;)

[Keptron]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8742/wtfii6.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8742/wtfii6.jpg)
STOP DOWNLOADING IT PEOPLE, DAMNIT! D:<

[Godshelp]

Fixed Smoker tongue tolerance

Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break

Survivor's cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging

Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer

Fixed cases where the ability timer was not using the correct time

Fixed case where you could point at a Survivor but not register a tongue hit

Fixed Smoker tongue not targeting and landing properly through PZ ghosts

Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors

HOLY SHIT
SMOKER IS EPIC WIN NOW!!!

[Keptron]

Guys, not kidding. But this update is a damn epic win that Valve ever did to me!

[mega808]

about time =)

[pk7677]

steam down. BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Ragnorok161]

I agree, smoker is now gonna be OP, as for the normalization, I believe all the infected will now do 5 dmg swipes.

Also the auto shotty will be less favorable. Good think ive been practicing with the M4?

[Proxy]

nnf nnf nnf

reduced autoshotty dmg

I like m16 better anyways. >_>

[Godshelp]

Also the auto shotty will be less favorable. Good think ive been practicing with the M4?
Damn it people, get it right. Not M4 M16 XD
But yeah smoker might be OP especially since th....OMG :O
NO MORE CLOSET WHORING EASY!!!
The smoker has to pull him all the way to be able to bash them free!!! :O

[DJTricky]

&quot;Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors&quot;

Hey, neato! Can actually do something as a Smoker now.

[Keptron]

The best of all updates, in my opinion:
Smoker

* Fixed Smoker tongue tolerance
* Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break
* Survivor's cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging
* Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer
* Fixed cases where the ability timer was not using the correct time
* Fixed case where you could point at a Survivor but not register a tongue hit
* Fixed Smoker tongue not targeting and landing properly through PZ ghosts
* Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors


Tank

* Bashable objects now appear with a red glow
* Tanks hitting a car with an alarm disables the alarm permanently
* Tank frustration timer is only reset by hitting Survivors with rocks or fists
* Reduced autoshotgun damage against Tanks

[Kracus]

yeah auto shotty was a bit overpowered I think.

[lawlhat]

Yay, I redeemed the gift through my e-mail, but steam is so fucking busy i cant dl it.

[YuriTMND]

Finally, evened the numbers.

I think I might play Left 4 Dead more often than Team Fortress 2.

[Keptron]

Good think ive been practicing with the M4?
Nah, do this: Get hunting rifle stay away form Tank and shoot him while your team is getting fucked up by him

Edit:
And hope to a Smoker/Hunter not get you



I AM DOWNLOADING THE UPDATE!!!

[Ragnorok161]

Damn it people, get it right. Not M4 M16 XD

I don't frequent often, i just lurk. And I put M4? Because I don't know what it is, only that its similar. And I play alot of CSS.

But thanks, its a M16A1, I mean M16


Edit: I don't personally like the rifle

AND SERVERS UP

[lawlhat]

FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU I cant even start a game its so busy.

[armored cow]

Awesome, can't wait to play now! :D I think the Smoker changes are the most important. Does that mean he can drag people all the way out of a closet, as long as they don't shoot him? Boomer + Smoker = anti-closet!
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
YYYEEEESSSS
The Smoker is actually going to be fun now. If they cant shoot you from their position, you could potentially pull someone like the entire length of your tongue without any vices.

[odj]

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1781/l4dhospital05rooftop000sy0.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1781/l4dhospital05rooftop000sy0.jpg)

No more camping under there then.

[_Omerta_]

Dude this patch is fucking phenomenal i think i might shit my pants in joy. This is going to absolutely make CAL so much more fucking amazing. The smoker buffs are ENORMOUS.

ugh, never thought I'd be so happy over a patch.

[lawlhat]

Weird steam keeps saying its too busy or that my ticket expired and asks for my password. Steam isnt nearly as busy as normal.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

[matrix]

I think the Smoker changes are the most important.

i agree the best part i think that was added is the fact the smoker tongue does damage while ppl get dragged away

i hate how now u cant run away as infected and regenerate health, haha i always used to do that, but i guess its for the better :)

[lawlhat]

Smoker ftw.

[Infest0125]

Best. Patch. Ever.

[Minkers]

WOOT LOVE EVERY BIT OF IT!!!

[Boojangels]

No more camping under there then.
WOOT!

Could someone test the door bashing deal to skip NM 3 event? I would but the servers are busy :(

[DethPenguin]

Everyone. Let us join hands and sing out praises to our creator, valve.

[Toadster]

Great work Valve!!! Can't wait for more maps / campaigns!!!

[YuriTMND]

BY THE WAY, THE TF2 TENTH CLASS IS A LAGAMORPH.

[NovaSilisko]

Survivor's cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging

Thank god.

Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[one of them]

New VS maps > SDK, anways. ;)
But with the SDK comes custom maps...
So SDK > New Versus Maps
:)

[jgravgaa]

when will this be implemented on the 360?

[Proxy]

when will this be implemented on the 360?
Probably within 2 months... maybe... -wishful thinking-

[Boojangels]

Can't even launch TF2 :(

[Cruz]

* Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break

I didn't know you could shoot the tongue in the first place. lol

Guess i gotta work on my tongue shooting skills in order to keep my place as savior.

[TekkenDevil]

yay, they didn't prevent the custom sound command roses.

Im glad, since those can be useful, not always a voice spam.

[Elite]

Yay! Valve always delivers...

I hope I can finally have a proper Versus Match...

[jgravgaa]

Probably within 2 months... maybe... -wishful thinking-

i'll just have to deal with the glitchers and the sucky smoker until then...

[Kracus]

when will this be implemented on the 360?


Well the sites say in the comming weeks but I was under the impression that it would be tomorrow.

[lawlhat]

At least i can play 3rd party games like CoD

[jgravgaa]

Well the sites say in the comming weeks but I was under the impression that it would be tomorrow.

Just wondering how long the 360-PC gap usually is for valve, but thanks for your help!

[Kracus]

Yeah I'm not sure, all I heard was rumores from a few sites and from an e-mail from valve but I can't say I know for certain. If not this week it'll likely be next week if it's not tomorrow.

[sagesource]

Damn it people, get it right. Not M4 M16 XD

Wish they would give it the option to be locked onto three-round bursts, then, instead of the ammunition-wasting full auto.

[Kracus]

It's called squeezing the trigger :)

[imperfectone1234]

Enjoy^^
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2162/

YRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! THanks boiii!

[Antman]

greaattt... lol. great update, but for us people that have trouble on expert are now screwed i think lol

[SlainPwner666]

I hate to be an ignorant prick, but how do I get this epic update?

Edit: Sorry, had some problems with launching, thought it was the update. Its patching now

[odj]

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3422/l4dvshospital02subway00hk7.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3422/l4dvshospital02subway00hk7.jpg)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4586/l4dvshospital02subway00bc5.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4586/l4dvshospital02subway00bc5.jpg)

^^What the new tank thingy looks like^^

[YuriTMND]

SlainPwner666
I hate to be an ignorant prick, but how do I get this epic update?

Downloads automatically, but if you're one of them ecksbawks people, ehhh... I dunno.

[_Omerta_]

Ok so lets verify.

1. You can still melee a survivor being pulled by a smoker(in arms, mid pull ext.). You just cant melee during connecting.
2. You can leap for 1-25 damage
3. The infected HUD gets in the way of leaps
4 .the infected colors are very distracting
5. hunter now only does 6 damage melee smoker and boomer do 4.
6. Smoker tongue does pull faster and does a decent amount of damage upon pull.

[FatCat332]

The boomer and smoker do 4 damage now and the hunter does 6.
Dam above post beat me that's what I get for typing this on my Itouch :(

[NovaSilisko]

tank1
tank2

^^What the new tank thingy looks like^^

Awesome.

[SlainPwner666]

THE HOLY UPDATE HAS ARRIVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUILD THE STATUE!!!!!!!!!

[sagesource]

It's called squeezing the trigger :)


Lol... but if things were that simple, the military wouldn't have bothered to modify the gun to do just that.

[lawlhat]

Oh god yes, its updating now!

[Hidden8x2]

&quot;Fixed Smoker tongue tolerance
Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break
Survivor's cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging
Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer
Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors&quot;
oh shit

[Felios]

I'm excited about this update. Hopefully now I'll have more respect for the smoker. I agree, there's nothing here I don't like--except maybe the hunter damage getting slightly lower. And I was super excited that you couldn't melee the tongue off until the person is paralyzed, but aparently that was worded wrong.

[Grubster11]

aparently that was worded wrong.
What? how?

[arsis]

vs isn't the same now...I was excited until I played a full campaign. I miss the old vs, of course without the infected exploit...:-[

[frogopus]

And I was super excited that you couldn't melee the tongue off until the person is paralyzed, but aparently that was worded wrong.
So you can melee someone off before the survivor is unable to shoot? Because its only once they stop being able to fire that theyre paralyzed.

[armored cow]

Quoting: Felios
aparently that was worded wrong.

What? how?

You can still melee as they are being dragged, just not during the time when they can shoot the smoker themselves.

[Felios]

So you can melee someone off before the survivor is unable to shoot? Because its only once they stop being able to fire that theyre paralyzed.
You can still melee as they are being dragged, just not during the time when they can shoot the smoker themselves.
Oh, so that makes sense. I took &quot;paralyzed&quot; to mean when they are stuck at a location. You know, when they're doing that animation where they're trying to get the smoker tongue off.

[Keptron]

Patch is awesome, people barely escape!

[Dreamscribe]

Patch is awesome, people barely escape!

So true. A few buddies of mine played through it today and we did something we never did before: we feared the Smoker and rightly so. 3 damage per second while being dragged is not bad, especially if the Smoker's able to pull you a long distance with it.

[SlainPwner666]

Imagine how much damage Big Drag would do

[DangerWillRobinson]

Not much, considering it deals damage by the second, not the distance.

A big drag takes about 5 seconds in whole, not much damage, maybe 10. It's 2 damage per second by the way.

[Platypus]

1. You can still melee a survivor being pulled by a smoker(in arms, mid pull ext.). You just cant melee during connecting.
2. You can leap for 1-25 damage
3. The infected HUD gets in the way of leaps
4 .the infected colors are very distracting
5. hunter now only does 6 damage melee smoker and boomer do 4.
6. Smoker tongue does pull faster and does a decent amount of damage upon pull.
1. Yup
2. Indeed.
3. Prehaps
4. No comment
5. Pretty sure they all do 12.
6. Not sure if it pulls faster, but you get damage while your being dragged now.

[greenday5494]

i cant fucking believe valve did not fix the melee exploit.

[Gutspill]

While i'm mostly happy about this update, (smoker buffs ftw) there's gonna be some things im going to miss...

R.I.P.
Launching off minigun on NM5
Screwing around, sneaking past crescendos on Dead Air
Tank disabling car alarm
No more hunter pouncing witch =(

[Hidden8x2]

6. Not sure if it pulls faster, but you get damage while your being dragged now.

Wouldn't that effect the achievement... What's it called? Can you help me out?

[Platypus]

Wouldn't that effect the achievement... What's it called? Can you help me out?

Not really.

Big Drag:

Drag a Survivor 100 feet with your tongue as a Smoker.

Don't know how long it takes to drag a survivor 100 feet, but its only 2 damage per second, not enough to kill the survivor before it gets to you unless he has really low health.

[Cruz]

Wait, what about reloading during melee? eh, can't win them all...or is that an exploit?

Edit: Alright, just wanted to clear that up...for me. =]

[Darc Kharg]

Not an exploit

[lilsamuraijoe]

This update really adds to the temptation to ditch midterms and spend the whole week L4Ding. GAHG FUCKING MIDTERMS.

I'm glad to see they got rid of the camp ramp though.

[Godshelp]

Wait, what about reloading during melee? eh, can't win them all...or is that an exploit?
That was MEANT to be in the game -.-
PEOPLE please understand more of the reloads XD
But patch is AWESOME!

[Chaos]

Either I was just playing on a server with absolutely SHITTY cvars or this patch didn't work right. Tanks had 4k health, auto shotguns TORE through them, and Smokers still played like shit(as in, meleeing to free ensnared teammates).

... I'm gonna go play a few more rounds or something, because that was flat-out retarded.

[Hidden8x2]

Not really. Big Drag: Drag a Survivor 100 feet with your tongue as a Smoker.

I meant the one without taking damage

[Platypus]

I meant the one without taking damage
Ohh Nothing Special. It was hard enough, but i guess this will make it more fun. Unless the smoker changes are just for VS, which is possible.

[blackdeath]

Ohh Nothing Special. It was hard enough, but i guess this will make it more fun. Unless the smoker changes are just for VS, which is possible.

doubtful. they use the same cvars.

[Hidden8x2]

Ohh Nothing Special. It was hard enough, but i guess this will make it more fun. Unless the smoker changes are just for VS, which is possible.
Actually I didn't think of that one but that is a good point.
I meant DRAG AND DROP

[OneKplus337]

Ok, so guys, I actually tested this in a local server.

Unless we fucked up, you cannot melee the survivor when he is being dragged. You can the second he gets stuck on something. Then again I didnt try standing halfway through the drag and melee'ing.

The autoshotgun to Tank: Does around 200 point blank, I don't know what it was before though, but that is still considerable, and rightfully so.

The easier to pounce survivors who are melee'ing. Didn't notice much of a difference to be honest. Then again we did Blood Harvest and most of my jumps were from trees.

Is it just me, or does anyone get an FPS slowdown at certain times with like the smoker's smoke. I was getting weird slowdowns with this patch.

[Godshelp]

Is it just me, or does anyone get an FPS slowdown at certain times with like the smoker's smoke. I was getting weird slowdowns with this patch.

I am also getting lower FPS now :(
It sucks because i was hitting the 100 FPS, not i get only up to around 60 now :(
I wonder why slow downs happen now.

[lilsamuraijoe]

So is the high-pounce dmg cap stil 25? &quot;Increased Minimum damage a Hunter pounce does&quot; is kind of vague.

[araisbeck]

Yeah I'm wondering if you can still melee a survivor off a smoker tongue during the drag.

[OneKplus337]

So is the high-pounce dmg cap stil 25? &quot;Increased Minimum damage a Hunter pounce does&quot; is kind of vague.

Still capped at 25. I don't even know what that minimum crap is. I think you do more pounce damage at shorter ranges.

Yeah I'm wondering if you can still melee a survivor off a smoker tongue during the drag

I'll have to re-test.

UPDATE: You can melee the tongue off once they are being dragged. It just stops you from meleeing them off when they are still allowed to move. This gives the smoker about a 1 second chance to pull before breakage, usually stopping the melee because they can't catch up to the tongue. Pretty much stops closet camping.

[Platypus]

Still capped at 25. I don't even know what that minimum crap is. I think you do more pounce damage at shorter ranges.
I saw a one damage pounce from DangerWillRobinson today.

[OneKplus337]

I saw a one damage pounce from DangerWillRobinson today.

Haha yea, you can do like 1, 2, 3... Dumb pounce damages, but its better than nothing.

The smoker and boomer melee's are 4 dmg. Hunter is 6 dmg.

[Platypus]

The smoker and boomer melee's are 4 dmg. Hunter is 6 dmg.
Thanks for that. Someone in the game we just played said 12, but i wasn't paying attention to the damage i was dealing.

[Cheeseliker]

It definitely is easier to get low damage pounces now. What I consider pretty short pounces were getting me 4-6 points where before, they gave me none. I like it. Makes the hunter what he's supposed to be about, pouncing rather then slashing.

[araisbeck]

Thanks for the info. Love everything Valve did with the patch, now just have to wait for it to come out on 360!

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

...and there was much rejoicing

[Obama Yo Momma]

...and there was much rejoicing

AND MY FRIEND WAS SAFE WHO LIVED IN DALLS.

[Suman]

OMG OMG OMG WOOOHOOOO !!!!!!!! I am so fucking happy, this is gonna be so much fun !!, Thank you Valve !!!!

Although, why didn't they include the Hunter leap where you click Left mouse button then you can push survivors off edges...
Maybe it's there, just haven't tried it yet.

[G_X]

Some questions/comments:
<div class="quote">- Fixed mini-gun physics exploit.</div>Does that include the moving train car in Blood Harvest?
<div class="quote">- Normalized special infected melee damage.</div>So... is it 10, or what?
<div class="quote">- Made the following client commands cheat protected: &quot;Kill&quot; and &quot;explode&quot;.</div>But what if someone glitches out, or whatever &quot;kill&quot; was originally intended for?
<div class="quote">- Easier to pounce a Survivor who is meleeing.</div>Shit. Even before the update, I could NEVER melee a Hunter who is about to pounce me. Even if I know where he is. Even if I can see him. The timing is counter-intuitive, is all.<div class="quote">- Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break.</div>So, shoot the tongue once?
<div class="quote">- Survivor's cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging</div>&quot;Paralyzed&quot; meaning &quot;being dragged,&quot; or meaning &quot;getting choked and clawed by the Smoker at point-blank?&quot;

Still, epic patch.

[DethPenguin]

&quot;Paralyzed&quot; meaning &quot;being dragged,&quot; or meaning &quot;getting choked and clawed by the Smoker at point-blank?&quot;

Getting choked. Efficiently dealing with closet campers with good pulls and adding some balance to the smoker.

[OneKplus337]

Someone in the game we just played said 12,

12 is the amount of points you get. If you haven't noticed. The points you recieve as infected is the amount of dmg you do, times 2. So one slash gives you 12 points. It used to give you 20.

[G_X]

Still, either (a) you position yourself to pull them out, and get shot at by all 4 survivors, or (b) you hook them at an angle and they get paralyzed/hanged on some level geometry, at which point their teammates effortlessly melee them free.

The best strategy against closet campers pre-update was usually the Hunter scratch. But with &quot;normalized special infected melee damage&quot;, I don't know if he gets less effective, or what.

:\

[OneKplus337]

G_X and others: Since you don't read posts before you...

http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/index.php?actio n=vthread&forum=2&topic=9021 (http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=2&topic=9021)

[SCE_Dantalion]

i havent really encounted much differance in the smoker other than i have a bitch of a time hitting people now for some reason but pre-patch i was getting people no problem and the smoker is still not feared they didnt change him that much ... still melee > smoker.

[DuckLife]

So can you still move forklifts/generators/trash bins in front of doors to block the survivor's path?
Please say they fixed it! Please!

[Viracocha72]

&quot;Tank frustration timer is only reset by hitting Survivors with rocks or fists&quot;

not happy about this one at all for VS.

now all the survivors have to do is run away from him and he'll lose control even though he can see them. Not sure what this is supposed to fix but it kinda sucks in my opinion, especially since the survivors can run faster backwards than the tank can run forwards.

[nullskill]

i agree: its the most stupid thing with the frustration timer! perhaps tank speed is increased!? then it would be ok i think.

[Nattramn]

It's a Great Update for Smoker.

Personnally, i'd rather like to see the maximum pounce damage up till 33.
But i hope meleeing a hunter when is jumping on a survivor is less easier than previously...Cause juste auto-melee to avoid pounce is truly an easy way to ruin hunter's gameplay.

[zombicidalmaniac]

the wait time for the 360 update is gonna kill me srsly a few weeks

[Etheallmighty]

I am excited about the patch, too bad I'm still trying to figure out what I did wrong installing windows through bootcamp, it's fucking killing me slowly from the inside...

[Warhawk]

I woluda won my first versus after the patch but a n0ob got the tank on NM4 roof top he freed the victoms of a smoker and hunter killing his team by &quot;accident&quot; or not and ignored the survivers not being incapacitated just freeing the ones his team mates were killing then he got a single punch on bill and the guys he freed came with auto shotguns and killed him. [which btw he coulda punched the free survivers off the roof and ignored the ones his team mates were killing to win easily or juat pound them to death while they were to distracted to save their team mates and before when we had the tank he worked with his team to kill us in that spot. the other team was gloating they won be 300 points. Only if i could dream of getting the tank in those kind of places upon a star :'(

[Elandriel]

Personnally, i'd rather like to see the maximum pounce damage up till 33.
But i hope meleeing a hunter when is jumping on a survivor is less easier than previously...Cause juste auto-melee to avoid pounce is truly an easy way to ruin hunter's gameplay.

I think it would be nice if it would be harder to melee a hunter who pouces harder. So a 25 dmg pounce would be incredibly hard to melee away but a point blank pounce really easy.

[Girls Are Pretty]

Played Smoker last night on NM5. Actually feel useful now.

[Steve Cloud]

Four more days until I can play this again.

Keep the info coming, guys.

[Goldkills]

Playing smoker is great now so much better. but now VS is what it should be Hard as hell for the humans so now its really about distance in a map

[OneKplus337]

Four more days until I can play this again.

Keep the info coming, guys.

Why can't you play now? Downloading the patch on your 14.4k modem? :P

[sagesource]

now all the survivors have to do is run away from him and he'll lose control even though he can see them

Inexcusable if true. There are Get LOS and Lose LOS triggers for NPCs in Hammer, so keeping him active when he can see the survivors should be no trouble at all. And if he can see them, they can see him, the big lug.

[Stupoider]

Reduced autoshotgun damage against Tanks

AHAHAHAHA!

[Girls Are Pretty]

I'm really amazed at Valve's ability to churn out such a quality patch. Bravo.

[Infest0125]

I played versus earlier with Girls, Scarneck, Thor, Frog, and Kenny.....

Damn, these changes are phenomanal. It makes versus so much more fun and even more balanced IMO.

[Obama Yo Momma]

I played versus earlier with Girls, Scarneck, Thor, Frog, and Kenny.....

Damn, these changes are phenomanal. It makes versus so much more fun and even more balanced IMO.


Yeah I stared at the game for about an hour waiting for an opening.

[Infest0125]

Yeah I stared at the game for about an hour waiting for an opening.

Um... Well......

Have you watched me like this before??

[Steve Cloud]

Why can't you play now? Downloading the patch on your 14.4k modem? :P


Don't give me lip, boy.

In Australia we have this thing where if you go over your download limit you get 'capped' (its technical term is apparently 'shaped') which basically means your speed is reduced to 6KB/s. So in 4 days it'll be the end of the month according to my internet plan and I'll have my 1MB/s internet back.

[Braniac]

In Australia we have this thing where if you go over your download limit you get 'capped' (its technical term is apparently 'shaped') which basically means your speed is reduced to 6KB/s. So in 4 days it'll be the end of the month according to my internet plan and I'll have my 1MB/s internet back.

Wow, that's so weird. Dang Australia download caps!

[shadowstreak]

Tank frustration timer is only reset by hitting Survivors with rocks or fists
The timer freezes when you are near/looking at survivors

[araisbeck]

Steve Cloud, I have that same plan on my internet, and I live in America. I live in the middle of no where so there isn't cable and such out here.

[OneKplus337]

Ouch internet capping. Does playing games count as usage, it has to right? Your downloading and uploading during a game. How does that work out, do you start lagging at the end of the month.

[Steve Cloud]

I didn't know any other countries got it as well.

[Flex]

I like the new Versus layouts as infected.
I also like the Smoker more now, it's much better.

[Stupoider]

Minigun exploit.

;>

[yourbadmega]

so if you are incapped, you can be pulled by the smoker now?

[Dead Fish]

so if you are incapped, you can be pulled by the smoker now?

No, you can't. The patch notes don't say that. :/

[darksora2323]

Well alot has changed for the better
Good patch.
But there is still melee spam lol

just played with deadly kenny and redeemer
it was 2 on 2
One of the best matches ive played

[theghoul22]

i get the whole balance thing and yeah thats great.
This patch in my opinion is awful though. It caused my fps to drop ridiculously, the game is extremely choppy, theres no new content and tank gets stuck in objects.

Why is everybody praising this patch ?

[araisbeck]

Ouch internet capping. Does playing games count as usage, it has to right? Your downloading and uploading during a game. How does that work out, do you start lagging at the end of the month.

Yes, it counts, and yes, you start lagging a ton. It makes gaming impossible. And my limit is less than a gigabyte per day so if I ever try to game it almost immediately is rendered unplayable.