Different Weapons

[SFMF]

Isn't it annoying that you only get so many weapons? You should be able to get better weapons, like a chainsaw, flamethrower or rocket launcher.

[Chocolate]

melee weapons would be nice but nothing to extreme,i.e. a chainsaw.
maybe a new melee weapon class like a crowbar or even a machete.

[GuitarPUNK1209]

weapons should stay the same...only way a chainsaw would be kool is if it was extremely rare (saaay maybe once every one or two campaigns) and gave out within about 3 minutes of use...only thing i dont like about the weapons is that its sort of unrealistic to conveniatley find the same exact weapons everywhere...maybe there should be different weapons or weapon skins that have EXTREMELY similar characteristics to those which they are replacing...just a suggestion

[VanBradford]

I didn't think that through and I don't know if it's already posted somewhere else, but what's about some kind of "melee-weapon"? It's unclear anyway why there are guns everywhere but no knives for example. Or baseball bats, fry pans, golf clubs (maybe even with balls ^^... golf balls), hammers, axes, spatulas... you catch my drift.

Could deal slightly more damage then the ordinary melee with whatever you are holding otherwise.

But, in fact, I have no real desire for new weapons. Just an idea...

[VanBradford]

melee weapons would be nice but nothing to extreme,i.e. a chainsaw.
maybe a new melee weapon class like a crowbar or even a machete.

...ah yeah, just what I was thinking, just slowlier... ^^

[Flex]

The only thing I'd like to see some changes to is the gun-part of the weapons.
I think at least one more, maybe two more pistols should be added to the game. Like a Desert Eagle or anything like that.

The rifles are fine.
A flame-thrower would just destroy the weapon aspect of the game, hordes would no longer be a problem, which is lame.
And a chainsaw, that's just weird.

[Infest0125]

its sort of unrealistic to conveniatley find the same exact weapons everywhere...

Because everything else in this game is so realistic, right?

Gameplay over realism.

Also, I think they should be kept the same for now, as they have a balanced weapon for each range. Only way they could make a flamethrower IMO is if it slowed a survivor down and had incredibly low ammo.

[arienh4]

Why does everyone want this kind of weapons? It would completely kill the immersion.

[iKissedABoomer]

I want a Gatling Gun and a Nuke.

[Platypus]

Chainsaw
I can almost see this weapon, maybe it would have ammo similar to TF2's flamethrower. When you use all the gas in the Chainsaw, it's gone and you won't get more. I agree with GuitarPUNK that if it's implemented, it would need to be rare.

Flamethrower
Friendly Fire Fest. All i gotta say.

Rocket Launcher
/facepalm. This is l4d, not Doom

[Bill_the_nonchalant]

Maby have different kind of weapons with the same functions. Maby the M16 would be replaced with a G3 in some campaigns. Or the hunting rifle would be a old springfeild sniper rifle. I see the idea but think about it. Every gun covers all the fire modes and ranges, except burst. Just keep the same style but maby new skins. And a flamethrower would just be completly unbalanced, we can already set the infected on fire with molotives. As for the rocket launcher... no just... no.

[Dre]

a new type of pistol, like a desert eagle. that is all.

[iKissedABoomer]

All weapons have to be realistic. I mean I suppose you would find a chainsaw around places, you'd find far more than one type of pistol.

As for the flamethrower. I wouldn't want it myself but if it did get put through, it'd have to be make shift. A blowtorch and some sort of flamable spray that can be found together.

Although tbh, I agree with Dre, more pistol varients.

[DrunkenPhish]

What about a revolver as like a different kind of pistol you can find? It would shoot slower, have to reload after six shots, yet have the penetration of a sniper and be stronger than a normal pistol. Unsure about whether or not it should be dual-wieldable.

[blah]

i say a tier 1 sniper.... a crossbow with a scope. reloads in half a second, but it only has one shot each. but then, the crossbow's accuracy isn't diminished when you are moving? More penetration, and also has a knife at the end. So when u melee, you can cut the zombies at the same time.

[Infest0125]

a new type of pistol

Yep I'd love to have one.

[iKissedABoomer]

say a tier 1 sniper.... a crossbow with a scope.

Go play HL:DM

[DrunkenPhish]

I like the tier one sniper idea, but a crossbow? Maybe, but I think i would rather have just a normal rifle without a scope.

[Infest0125]

i say a tier 1 sniper.... a crossbow with a scope. reloads in half a second, but it only has one shot each. but then, the crossbow's accuracy isn't diminished when you are moving? More penetration, and also has a knife at the end. So when u melee, you can cut the zombies at the same time.

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I know I said gameplay over realism but.......
There's a fine line and it was crossed with this.

[iKissedABoomer]

There's a fine line and it was crossed with this.

It wasn't crossed. It was pole vaulted then get on a plane and got as far away from the line as possible before pressing the big red button activating an air strike onto the line.

[DTard]

Nothing new, the game was made the way it was for a purpose, I'd bet that Valve has already gone through all these ideas and one by one scrapped them all.

[Infest0125]

It wasn't crossed. It was pole vaulted then get on a plane and got as far away from the line as possible before pressing the big red button activating an air strike onto the line.

I lol'd hard at this.

[doa]

Isn't it annoying that you only get so many weapons?

It's not annoying, you get a range of weapons with different characteristics as in all games of this type. There's no point to tons of weapons that only look different and don't behave too differently ...

You should be able to get better weapons, like a chainsaw, flamethrower or rocket launcher.

Hmmm, heavier weapons like that would have to slow you down (regardless of whether you are actually using them or not) - and that is probably the last thing you want in VS mode at least.

You will need to explain how each weapon is balanced in the game before you get me to vote on it, sorry ... I mean why stop there, why can't we get better weapons like night vision goggles, flash bangs, and a tranquilizer gun for the tank? Right?

Rocket launcher?! o_0 No, just no!

[jaydig]

I like the tier one sniper idea, but a crossbow? Maybe, but I think i would rather have just a normal rifle without a scope.
Yah, like a lever-action rifle, for campaigns in which the uzi doesn't fit.
What about a revolver as like a different kind of pistol you can find?
I think a magnum would be good. And someone who sticks with the 45 can pick up your gun for dualies.
As for the flamethrower. I wouldn't want it myself but if it did get put through, it'd have to be make shift. A blowtorch and some sort of flamable spray that can be found together.
If they add a flamethrower, it should just be an aerosol can in the 'bomb' weapon slot. The survivors seemingly have lighters for their molotovs and pipebombs, and the aerosol torch is fairly fitting with the scraped-together motif. And as a 'bomb' with only a few sprays of fuel, it doesn't interfere with the primary guns.

Might be good for lighting Tanks, but you'd have to get close.

[DJTricky]

A tier 2 pistol with more power, accuracy and penetration (as in going through walls and zombies easier). Desert Eagle or a revolver would fit that slot well. Can't dualie them though.

[Knights]

I would love an upgraded pistol. Something pretty low on ammo but it'd be a one-hit-kill for regular infected and do pretty hefty damage on special infected. Something like a Desert Eagle or a big ol' .45. No dual wielding for this baby.

Other than that, I'm fine with the way weapons are.

[Shunk]

I want the fallout 3 mini-nuke

[Flex]

What about a revolver as like a different kind of pistol you can find? It would shoot slower, have to reload after six shots, yet have the penetration of a sniper and be stronger than a normal pistol. Unsure about whether or not it should be dual-wieldable.

That would be a good idea.
Adding pistols would be really good.

I would love an upgraded pistol. Something pretty low on ammo but it'd be a one-hit-kill for regular infected and do pretty hefty damage on special infected. Something like a Desert Eagle or a big ol' .45. No dual wielding for this baby.

Other than that, I'm fine with the way weapons are.

Thanks, a really good idea.

[Lone Gunz 03]

Really like the idea of adding some form of pistols to the game like a revolver with some serious stopping power, a king cobra would be nice with a slightly larger recticle showing about what each slugs area of cover is. A double barrel shot gun, or a sawed off would be a great touch as well. Then for a rifle, one with a scope less than the hunting rifle's and with 3 shot bursts would be great, sortta like a military issue since we do see infected wearing military gear.

[sagesource]

And a chainsaw, that's just weird.

Obviously you're too young to have played Doom.

A chainsaw would be fine if it had a strictly limited supply of fuel. Then it would be like satchel charges in other games -- you'd always be wondering if it was really worth using it up in the situation you were faced with at that moment (especially if you could also use it to take down barricades, cut new paths, and so on rather than just to produce zombie hamburger). That's a interesting tactical dilemma to be placed in, and needn't unbalance the gameplay.

[Eagle112]

I just had the best idea, how about a molotov launcher, like a crossbow but fires molotovs :D.

No,

Just no, how often do you find

A) a crossbow

B)a rocketlaucher

C)a Flamethower (even home made)

And the chain saw idea? You kill almost everything in either 3-4 shots so whats the point in this? You can't just have everything that jumps in the way being pulverised it would look silly. And it would be too weak to compensate for lack of range.

A good idea would be to have different skins of weapons with small differences in clip/damage/rate of fire/etc just to add some variation in the weapons

[Flex]

Obviously you're too young to have played Doom.

A chainsaw would be fine if it had a strictly limited supply of fuel. Then it would be like satchel charges in other games -- you'd always be wondering if it was really worth using it up in the situation you were faced with at that moment (especially if you could also use it to take down barricades, cut new paths, and so on rather than just to produce zombie hamburger). That's a interesting tactical dilemma to be placed in, and needn't unbalance the gameplay.

Last time I checked, we're playing L4D, not Doom.
Obviously youre too young to know which game we're playing here.

Cutting new paths? That would be to change the whole layout of the game, and it would fuck it up quite a bit.
Some places are not even meant to be in, so you're saying that you should be able to get there, where you can walk through walls and such?
And what exactly are you supposed to cut? Trees? Holes in walls?
Just cut your way through buildings and roads to get to the safe room?

[XViper1534]

And the chain saw idea? You kill almost everything in either 3-4 shots so whats the point in this? You can't just have everything that jumps in the way being pulverised it would look silly. And it would be too weak to compensate for lack of range.
Maybe if we were playing Dead Rising.

[Flex]

The best idea, in my opinion, is not to add any silly bazO0kas or chain-saws, it would be to add a few guns and maybe a new rifle. A Revolver maybe, or the well-known Desert Eagle.

[gonnhead]

lol @ rocket launcher

[Elite]

The only thing I could ask for is an M1 Garand as a first tier weapon for the sniper role. Its pretty common as its a WWII antique. It wouldn't have the penetration of the Hunting Rifle but it would the range and fire slightly faster.

[sagesource]

Last time I checked, we're playing L4D, not Doom.
Obviously youre too young to know which game we're playing here.

ROTFLMAOAPMPASTC... now child, I'm almost sure I'm older than you are.

And calling a chain saw "weird" is a bit... well, asinine. What would you call the zombie apocalypse? An everyday event? Not in my house, it ain't.

The only question worth discussing is whether it would totally spoil game play, and if not, how it would affect the game and how it might best be used.

That would be to change the whole layout of the game, and it would fuck it up quite a bit.

How do you know? You seem to have missed the discussions here of introducing modifiable game geography, such as player-built barriers, locking and unlocking doors, moving models around, and so on and so forth. I can understand why Valve didn't do this in the standard maps, because it would complicate playtesting quite a bit and they are justifiably concerned with releasing maps that are as fair as they can make them. But it's a long and unjustified leap from "complicated" to "fucked up." Let's try it and see, k? Or you can just find a corner and sulk; it's all OK with me.

Some places are not even meant to be in, so you're saying that you should be able to get there, where you can walk through walls and such?

Ever taken a chain saw to a brick wall? Don't.

Obviously, if there was a barrier that you could cut through, that path will lead to a place where you should be. (See, for instance, Dead Air Construction Site map.) Otherwise the level designer has his or her head up his or her ass. There doesn't have to be only one path through the level, you know. You might, for instance, have the choice of cutting open a shorter path (taking down a wooden door, perhaps) and thus sacrificing the saw as a defensive weapon, or going the long way around and keeping the saw for use on the zombies. For most people, tactical decisions about how to employ limited resources are a challenge. For some.....I guess they're just....confusing.

And what exactly are you supposed to cut? Trees? Holes in walls?

Actually, cutting down a tree might be an interesting idea -- a way to create an alternative bridge. Again, the dilemma: which is more important, time or resources? Holes in walls? Depends on materials. But only a total fool would run around wasting a scarce and limited asset like his chainsaw's gas supply simply carving up the landscape. If a player were to be such an ass.... well, suicide is legal here.

Just cut your way through buildings and roads to get to the safe room?

If you cut your way through anything, it would be something that the level designer had arranged as cuttable. So what exactly would the problem be? And roads? You'd need a jackhammer for that, and no one has suggested including one of those....

Even though it would be AWESOME against a tank......thanks for the idea!!!

Next time, please engage your brain before throwing your mouth into third gear.

[SFMF]

Okay okay! I can tell you guys don't want any other weapon! Sheesh!

[blah]

cause crossJust no, how often do you find

A) a crossbow


cause crossbows are the rarest things in the world

[Chocolate]

im sticking with the machete/crowbar thing >.>

[CommandrFuzzums]

I love the pistol idea. I thought I would love using double pistols, but it really isn't good enough to replace the other weapons(except maybe pump shotgun)

I think the flamethrower would be cool, because it wouldn't instakill the horde, it would be like throwing a molotov. Infected can run through the fire, they take some damage, and if they make it to you, you can take fire damage. So when they get past the firewall, your teammates gotta take em down really quickly.

[TidalSpiral]

I prefer what was said above, make different guns that function pretty similarly to the ones already there. The survivors are too human to really make sense with some of these butchering type weapons - like I can understand shooting infected away with a shotgun, but you'd have to be a blood thirsty psycho yourself to go running into a crowd with a chainsaw. It's cool visually yes but for these realistic characters it would be bizarre to see them do that. Flamethrower is similar in my mind, a molotov is more self defense oriented so it doesn't have that crazy quality. Rocket launcher really wouldn't work unless it was one shot and then what's the point?

I'm thinking a burst fire assault rifle (2nd tier between m16 and hunting), a machine pistol (1st tier faster but less ammo than uzi), .45 revolver (pistol replacement, six shot higher power) and a baseball bat just cause I want to use it.

[Flex]

How do you know? You seem to have missed the discussions here of introducing modifiable game geography, such as player-built barriers, locking and unlocking doors, moving models around, and so on and so forth.

So, you're saying that you should cut down something that's easily opened with the button E?
Is'nt that a bit stupid?

And from now on, keep your essays for school. I dont have time to answer/read everything, sorry.
I still think that a chain-saw would be stupid and that it's a bad idea.

[GuitarPUNK1209]

maybe they should come out with a one day patch to try out each idea they think is worthy...just to see if the people actully know what they want or not

[UKMD Elmo]

I agree with the machete but in terms of firearms I think they've covered all the bases. Theyve got pump actions, auto-shotguns, assault rifles and even sub machine guns. TBH without going into fairly silly and impractical weapon classes there isn't much left uncovered. Unless you include a portable LSW but you've got the minigun for that and It'd be too powerful.

So no, other than slicing and dicing with a machette I'd they no more guns are needed.

[Comrade]

i say we have a handheld gatling gun and a huge nuke that we can strap to our back. we could also have like a huge ass dinosaur that would only live by eating zombies...that would definatly be something valve would put in

o yea and we shoot lasers out our eyes, same with the dinosaur

[Knights]

How about a cricket bat.

[iKissedABoomer]

How about a cricket bat.

http://www.shaunofthedead.com/shaunofthedead.jpg
Do like!

[DaSciz]

Anyone who says this game couldn't use additional weapons is a serious Valve/l4d fanboy.

Needs more RCP-90. And ironsights. What's the deal with no ironsights?

[iKissedABoomer]

Needs more RCP-90. And ironsights. What's the deal with no ironsights?
The game is too fast paced.

[UKMD Elmo]

And ironsights. What's the deal with no ironsights?

See now THAT is a good idea.

[Infest0125]

What's the deal with no ironsights?

There was an entire thread on this before.

I'm pretty sure the response from just about everyone was "Too fast paced, go play CoD".

[DaSciz]

I'm pretty sure the response from just about everyone was "Too fast paced, go play CoD".

So more blind fanboyism? Shame.

[Funky Biscuits]

So more blind fanboyism? Shame.
Since when was an opinion blind fanboyism?
Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.

[Infest0125]

So more blind fanboyism? Shame.

How is just stating what was said in that thread fanboyism? I didn't say that, others did.

But I think iron sights don't belong in this game because it is far too fast paced. The sniper rifle scope is good for standing at a distance and on finales but normal iron sights? I just can't see that working here.

[iKissedABoomer]

The reason it was OFFICIALY not put it because they saw there to be no reason. The game is meant to be played fast so iron sights were useless.

[Funky Biscuits]

The reason it was OFFICIALY not put it because they saw there to be no reason. The game is meant to be played fast so iron sights were useful.

And you always get attacked from all sides.

[TidalSpiral]

Still say a burst fire rifle would be fun, don't take this the wrong way but similar in function to the Halo three shot one. You could just fire a burst shot or use a very light magnification to get more precise hits. I imagine it a little weaker than the standard assault rifle but quite accurate.

Cricket Bat / Baseball Bat, I would take anything that I can bludgeon enemies to death with. I'd even say make it replace your primary weapon; you're thinking "how stupid you would be defenseless" but that's what's funny to me, as if you're so expert you can go Louisville slugger on their ***. Of course with Tanks you'd get destroyed.

Revolver is my favorite idea brought up so far. It's one of the few standard weapons that isn't represented so far. Six shots, high power, pistol replacement option. This would fit perfectly.

[iKissedABoomer]

Burst Rifle = Don't hold fire with m16.

problem solved.

[TidalSpiral]

I wasn't suggesting it as something to solve, I'm saying a gun that has forced burst fire on it and a light scope effect. This is for gun variation not to address some missing piece because all necessary weapons are already here.

[Infest0125]

Maybe a function to change the fire rate on the M16?

[KingKon21]

Rocket Launcher
-_-"

[simonlourson]

A good idea would be to have different skins of weapons with small differences in clip/damage/rate of fire/etc just to add some variation in the weapons

I would really like that! Even with only slight differences in models / skins, it would make the game much more realistic... I mean, finding everywere the exact same weapons... cmon...

[DaSciz]

No need to get your Valve knickers all bunched up.

Nobody can objectively say that ironsights wouldn't have improved the game.

[Infest0125]

Nobody can objectively say that ironsights wouldn't have improved the game.

Apparently we can and did.

The game is too fast paced and you have crosshairs, iron sights would just slow down aiming.

[DaSciz]

Apparently we can and did

Objectively being the keyword, so no.

The game is too fast paced and you have crosshairs, iron sights would just slow down aiming.

So everyone would have to use ironsights all the time?

[Infest0125]

So everyone would have to use ironsights all the time?

Never said that, did I?

But they are pointless, as they would just slow down aiming and the game is too fast paced for them. I'm saying that objectively as in we don't need motherfucking iron sights. Valve definitely considered it at one point, and scrapped it for obvious reasons.

[TidalSpiral]

I don't think iron sights would hurt the Xbox experience, but for PC gamers what's the point? It doesn't help their speed or precision so it'd be kind of pointless. And on Xbox the control format is already beyond an easy way to do this (since the left trigger is melee there isn't really a good button for it). So I'd decline as well.

[DaSciz]

But they are pointless, as they would just slow down aiming and we already have crosshairs.

I see.

You aren't a fan of/wouldn't use ironsights, so therefore they shouldn't be implemented?

Quit being a fanboy. Valve made a mistake. They also made one in not having a custom control option.

[Puscifer]

The weapons are fine.

Maybe one other type of Second Tier weapon, and one other pistol would be ok.

but chainsaws, mellee weapons blah blah, im glad u guys dont work for Valve.

[Infest0125]

I'm not a fan of them in this game because I don't see them being useful on either versions, as on PC its already easy to aim, and like TidalSpiral said, theres not really an available button on a 360 controller to assign it to.

And how is saying I don't want Iron Sights and providing valid reasons why they wouldn't be good in the game make me a fanboy? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[DaSciz]

not really an available button on a 360 controller to assign it to.

Right stick.

And how is saying I don't want Iron Sights and providing valid reasons why they wouldn't be good in the game make me a fanboy? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Your reasons aren't valid. They're mostly along the line of "I wouldn't use them, so no."

[Infest0125]

My reasons are valid. My reasons were the game is far too fast paced for them and you're being attacked from all sides. Plus even if I had used that idiotic arguement, that doesn't make me a fanboy of any sort.

I think I should just stop feeding the troll.

[TidalSpiral]

The right stick is sort of awkward for regular iron sight usage though. I assume you mean pulling it up quickly and dropping it again when unnecessary? It would be fine on Xbox but the stick just isn't fast enough to make it work right. Like imagine how it worked on FEAR, it was one of the weaker design choices in my opinion.

There is no question that it would be bad for PC users. The mouse provides excellent aim and speed so they definitely would have no use for it.

[Infest0125]

Watch out Tidal, your argument is valid so he'll call you a fanboy!

[DaSciz]

too fast paced

Ever heard of "The Club?" It's a hybrid shooting/racing game, and that had ironsights. And it was good. I appreciated it. I don't see what's so wrong with me wanting to go into my sights to pick a smoker on the roof or get a better shot on that hunter that's ready to pounce.

you're being attacked from all sides

And that makes me wrong? I guess Copernicus was wrong about Heliocentrism because people "attacked him from all sides." It's pretty clear now that I'm arguing with a kid.

[Infest0125]

And that makes me wrong? I guess Copernicus was wrong about Heliocentrism because people "attacked him from all sides." It's pretty clear now that I'm arguing with a kid.

Wow you completely misinterpreted what I said.

I meant in game you're attacked from all sides.

[DaSciz]

Right. My mistake. But you seemed to ignore my first point.

[Infest0125]

I saw it, but then realized that this isn't a hybrid shooting/racing game. This is Left 4 Dead, a survival game where running zombies attack from all sides at an incredibly fast pace. You can't compare those two games. Iron sights would rarely be used. If you truly want better aim, your best choice is the hunting rifle.

[TidalSpiral]

you're being attacked from all sides

If it's Zoey... I'll get the rear.

[DaSciz]

I saw it, but then realized that this isn't a hybrid shooting/racing game. This is Left 4 Dead, a survival game where running zombies attack from all sides at an incredibly fast pace. You can't compare those two games. Iron sights would rarely be used. If you truly want better aim, your best choice is the hunting rifle.

Your point was the game was too fast paced for iron sights. You don't get much more fast paced than The Club, and that managed iron sights.

And I guess we just have different play styles, because i'm rarely attacked from different directions. I move slowly, stick to walls and cover my corners. My playstyle would benefit from iron sights.

[iKissedABoomer]

And I guess we just have different play styles, because i'm rarely attacked from different directions. I move slowly, stick to walls and cover my corners.
http://www.slapyo.com/wp-content/wrong01.jpg

[DaSciz]

Yes, I should really stop minimizing my damage.

[iKissedABoomer]

Yes, I should really stop minimizing my damage.
You're more likely to be hurt slowly creeping round corners and watching you're back than running and gunning. You're creeping round corners like a little girl won't help you against any infected.. possibly the Boomer.

[DaSciz]

SWAT teams and special forces are little girls. I see.

[iKissedABoomer]

SWAT teams and special forces are little girls. I see.

SWAT teams and special forces aren't facing zombies.

[TidalSpiral]

SWAT teams and special forces are little girls. I see.

To be fair... when is the last time you saw a SWAT survivor? Yet an old man and young woman are living it up.

[Comrade]

i think it would be a better idea if they had more survivors like church guy , i mean its only 2 weeks after infection,

theres no way the infection hit the world like a shit storm, like why not da police in the death toll town setting up a camp or something to that sort, of course this most likely wouldnt work on a versus game

[Infest0125]

theres no way the infection hit the world like a shit storm, like why not da police in the death toll town setting up a camp or something to that sort, of course this most likely wouldnt work on a versus game

If you listen closely on some maps, you can hear gunfire in the backround.

I've heard it multiple times at the beginning of Dead Air.

[cascillaKILLAH]

i think it would be a better idea if they had more survivors like church guy , i mean its only 2 weeks after infection,

What about &quot;the military outpost&quot; (<--- more than likely not infected) that the rescue &quot;vehicle/chopper/plane/boat&quot; (more than likely not drvin by an infected) are taking you to? Or were you implying you should actually meet more people along the way that aren't infected?

[Papa Smurf255]

Not sure if we're still talking about weapons, but I'd like to put my 2 cents here.

L4D is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. I would hate to see it turn into a CHAINSAW game (like GOW2... >_>)

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

Give us Mines that way our friends have just as much fun stepping on them as the zombies :D

also give us sticky bombs to throw.

for added fun, how about a rocket launcher with a 50 round clip that you can't stop firing until the clip is empty. Also, the explosion radius is excessively large. YAY FRIENDLY FIRE!

L4D is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. I would hate to see it turn into a CHAINSAW game (like GOW2... >_>)
Chainsaws have nothing to do with point of view. They DO have to do with excessive gore.

[SFMF]

Okay, so chainsaw is a bad idea, crossbows are too rare, gatling guns are too heavy, and dinosaurs that shoot lasers out of their eyes is too real. I'm adding a knife option...

[Xsng]

dinosaurs that shoot lasers out of their eyes is too real.

I lol'd.

[NdRw]

i dont mean to be rude, but adding a rocket launcher is uh...... whats the word...... retarded =)

[KingKon21]

This game needs more C4. It would be great to just stick 'em on friends and special infected. How great would it be to throw C4 on a hunter, have him pounce on a survivor, and then blow them both to hell?

[Steve Cloud]

How great would it be to throw C4 on a hunter, have him pounce on a survivor, and then blow them both to hell?


It's so great, Alexander probably invented it.

[KingKon21]

It's so great, Alexander probably invented it.
I can't believe you just said that.

/lock thread

[Elite]

I'm adding a knife option...


Knives suck compared to the power of the Golden Crowbar.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/left4dead411/lpic12.jpg (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/left4dead411/lpic12.jpg)

[seegeeburn]

there should be like a upgradable or build-on gun. like pistol to dual pistols , there should be.. um like a weaker uzi, then find like a bigger clip size later in game, then like a new gun barrel for more dmg, then a scope ect..

[Von Beck]

some more military weapons would make sense. or just any weapon really. you can find almost any weapon (I strongly mean almost) if you really looked. but I know they are going for more common weapons. I think it would be kinda cool to see random Army humvees that you can hop on their turrets for a while. but again thats not a new weapon. not really sure what else they could add in for more common weapons other then more military weapons. Ithink they should have better spots for them not all sitting on a table nice and neatly as if zombies put them there going oh please shoot us. like maybe place them near dead bodies so it feels more realistic. or at least put random weapons in random places. not the same 3 or 4 places. I unno going off topic so I will stop

[Facetieux]

I just want to donate a couple pennies to this thread's original question. To tell the truth, I dont think any of the three weapons (the chainsaw, flamethrower, or rocket (or any other derivative) launcher) are a good idea:

Chainsaw/Flamethrower: These are just not good ideas. Starting with the chainsaw, this powertool is just too overdone and useless. In gameplay, it may provide a nice spray of blood and useful cinematics, but its just plain overkill, and may tend to lag other players (not every1 has a top of the line pc, if they did, it wouldnt be top of the line). Also, for those realism players out there: chainsaws are heavy, have finite fuel (unlike, say, a machete), its fuel is heavy, weight causes exhaustion, is prone to causing very dangerous mistakes to the user or his/her allies, is almost useless without fuel, and its sound is probably more zombie-hunger inducing than a car blaring an alarm worthy of a small oil tanker.
The flamethrower has siimilar issues. A giant ww2 flamthrowers are inaccessable, and too old to be used. Those also have the same issues with fuel and weight as (or even more than) the chainsaw. Those do have long range and would make good weapons, but because of such would be a very overpowered weapon. Furthermore, the argument of an aerosol can with lighter just doesnt work. the thing can blow up in your hands, has very limited range, and just doesnt feel right for the game. it may be light, but just isnt practical, the hunter would profit from it (doing more damage) and the range is so low, that the tank can punch your lights (and brain) out as you &quot;try&quot; to set him on fire...

[KingKon21]

Army humvees that you can hop on their turrets for a while
Great way to implament a minigun for a cresendo, if/when they design knew campaigns.

[hoduken]

i would like to see some new weapons. pref new weapons that are just other versions of ones that already exist. like a berretta instead of colt or ak instead of m4.

[Elite]

I would like an AA-12 as a third tier weapon... Without a drum mag, otherwise it would be plain overkill.

[hoduken]

I would like an AA-12 as a third tier weapon... Without a drum mag, otherwise it would be plain overkill.



Drum mags should be on everything. 1911 = 45 round promag, replace the fn shotgun with a siaga 12 with a 20 round drum, ,m4 = ?100rd? beta mag, and just replace the hunting rifle with a saw of any type. hell, 100rd drum on uzi too. bam op'ed survivors.

[arsis]

http://www.ghostholster.com/cz_folder/images/SP01.jpg (http://www.ghostholster.com/cz_folder/images/SP01.jpg)
http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/medievalflail.jpg (http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/medievalflail.jpg)
http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a128_gay.jpg (http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a128_gay.jpg)
http://www.craphound.com/images/mcgarrySWNS250506_228x262.jpg (http://www.craphound.com/images/mcgarrySWNS250506_228x262.jpg)
http://i25.tinypic.com/sxhok2.jpg (http://i25.tinypic.com/sxhok2.jpg)
http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/games/overkill-rifle.jpg (http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/games/overkill-rifle.jpg)
http://www.bishopmuseum.org/exhibits/pastExhibits/1997/treasures/large_images/WEAPON.jpeg (http://www.bishopmuseum.org/exhibits/pastExhibits/1997/treasures/large_images/WEAPON.jpeg)

[Dre]

in this video here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr7XeoUD70I&feature =related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr7XeoUD70I&feature=related)

the pistols he using.

i would like a pistol like that one. i woud like the pistols, to sound like that, and have that stopping power, but with a desert eagle's skin on the 360. if we could duel wield the the desert eagles, and they sound like they do in the video. I SWEAR those would be the ONLY guns i would EVER use.

no shotgun
no sniper
no uzi
no M16
no NONE of that
nothing but eagles taking off heads ALL DAY!!!

thats all i want, i dont want nothing crazy like some folks.

[monkey_jesus]

if we could duel wield the the desert eagles, and they sound like they do in the video. I SWEAR those would be the ONLY guns i would EVER use.

You could just break your own wrists in a car door, the end result is just the same :)

I reckon 2nd revolver ftw and reskin the other weapons to per map,just for atmosphere.

[TidalSpiral]

http://myairpistols.com/images/HFC-132S-Silver-4-Inch-Green-Gas-Revolver.jpg (http://myairpistols.com/images/HFC-132S-Silver-4-Inch-Green-Gas-Revolver.jpg)

Revolver: Six shot, pistol reload time, pistol firing rate, slightly above assault rifle damage, medium to high accuracy.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_1.jpg (http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_1.jpg)

Self Defense Weapon: Thirty five shot, pistol reload time, 2x uzi firing rate, slightly stronger than uzi, poor accuracy, 400 spare ammunition.

Those are my weapon addition choices. First one gives a pistol replacement and represents revolvers since it's one of the only class of guns left out. Second is a pure rusher's weapon, great for destroying multiple enemies that get close but bad for distance and high friendly fire possibility with unskilled users. Oh and second one is for 1st tier weapons.

[Bibwit Harte]

Like in resident evil where halfway through the game you find an upgrade pack for you handgun, making it fire in 3 round bursts.

Different types of ammo at the ammo beds you find throughout a map (no fire-explosive bullets please, just ones that do more damage or increase your ability to shoot through walls)

Also a whip, because zoey with a whip would be hot.

Just ideas

[nerVe]

A desert eagle is impractical. You could just have a Glock 22. .40 caliber. 15 rounds. Good to go.

You could just break your own wrists in a car door, the end result is just the same :)
QFT

I'm alright with a revolver idea. Colt Python. One pistol. 6 rounds of rock and roll.

[MonkE]

Maybe have a grenade launcher, shoot a grenade, have it bounce a few times and explode. One nade per clip, and big reload time, sounds fairly fair.
I like knife/crowbar idea, and new pistol idea.

[SFMF]

So what would be better -
Crowbar/Machete
Desert Eagle/Glock
C4/Gay Bomb
AK-47/Giant, Over-sized Gatling Gun

VOTE VOTE VOTE!

(Beneath cuz I can't make another poll here)

[KingKon21]

Tidal, you had me at
http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_1.jpg
This game needs moar P90's.

[Dre]

You could just break your own wrists in a car door, the end result is just the same :)


you know what, im sick and tired of reading somebody quote my post saying some ol stupid shit like this.

im tired of people who never shot a gun before in their life saying stuff like that.

people ALWAYS saying, &quot;you gon break your risk! you gon break your risk!&quot; where the fuck did you guys GET that!? i've never known someone who broke their risk from shooting a desert eagle.

its must be some figure of speech some of yall got confused about and maybe took it seriously, i dont know.

[Steve Cloud]

I think thats a hyperbole, Dre.

Its not really going to break your wrist, people are just trying to emphasize it might hurt to shoot it.

[lawlhat]

people are just trying to emphasize it might hurt to shoot it.

Replace might with will :p

[Elite]

Crowbar is better than a knife... Gordon Freeman uses it and he gets by...

[one of them]

I think the Flamethrower, Chainsaw, and other powerful tools should be things you find and can only use for a short amount of time. Kind of like finding gas tanks you can use strategically, the same would go with Flamethrowers and stuff.

And adding new weapons like that could also leave room for a new Boss Infected.

[KingKon21]

Drum mags should be on everything. 1911 = 45 round promag
Listen to this man, He knows things.

[nerVe]

im tired of people who never shot a gun before in their life saying stuff like that.
You must have never fired a weapon, before. If you have, please tell me what. Make? Model? Caliber? I'm interested to know, Dre.

It would hurt to fire a .50 cal with one hand.

[Infest0125]

Well good thing he's not the one firing them, right nerVe?

[KingKon21]

You must have never fired a weapon, before. If you have, please tell me what. Make? Model? Caliber? I'm interested to know, Dre.

It would hurt to fire a .50 cal with one hand.
Alright people, lets stop the bickering, how many threads do we want closed this week?

Ps: 50 cal would not brake your had if fired . . . . one handed.

I know, im a weapon specialist.

[KingKon21]

L.
M.
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With a counter-arguement like that, I think dre wins this round.

[arsis]

Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LmpMi7a8U

[Infest0125]

If one could find a way to counter that argument, I will personally shit bricks, eat them, and record it.

EDIT: AW THE POST GOT DELETED!!!!!!

[lawlhat]

If one could find a way to counter that argument, I will personally shit bricks, eat them, and record it.
I second that, but it has to be a decent counterargument.

[Steve Cloud]

Alright people, lets stop the bickering, how many threads do we want closed this week?

I'm aiming for a realistic goal this week. 10.

[Dre]

man...................nevermind..............i aint even going to say nothing.

[Xsng]

What did I miss? Sounded really epic.

[TidalSpiral]

It would hurt to fire a .50 cal with one hand.

I've fired a .50 cal M107 without a scope, this guy brought his whole collection to the gun range (including a replica of the Sharps rifle from Quigley Down Under, which was awesome but it requires custom ammo so I didn't see it fired). My shoulder hurt for a while after two shots, I can't imagine how you even hold onto a desert eagle with one hand. With loaded clip they weigh a shit ton from what I understand.

http://www.shooterschoice.com/pedersoli/pedpics/S789.jpg (http://www.shooterschoice.com/pedersoli/pedpics/S789.jpg)

That's the Quigley one. Hard to see in the picture but the barrel is shaped like an octagon, eight sided. Come to think of it a lever action rifle would be kind of entertaining in L4D.

And calling out Kisho cause other thread was locked: Of course I melee while reloading but you were saying a revolver would get you eaten because of frequent reloads. It's no different than reloading with any other gun, you use the six shots and then melee while reloading so I didn't understand your point about it. The example of keeping the uzi over using 2nd tier guns is also not really the point, if you add a 1st tier gun it'll be compared to the other ones within the group. And I've heard buckets of complaints when I choose hunting rifle. &quot;DUDE GET THE SHOTGUN, NOOB!&quot;

[one of them]

If one could find a way to counter that argument, I will personally shit bricks, eat them, and record it.
By one do you mean me or anyone? I didn't see the post.

[Infest0125]

By one do you mean me or anyone? I didn't see the post.

I meant Dre's picture argument.

It said &quot;You are so pathetic, you make me laugh out of my ass!&quot; and then laughs coming out of an ass.

Unfortunately it was removed... Oh well.

[nerVe]

I never claimed it's impossible to do, I guess I just don't understand why people always bring up desert eagles. I think CS corrupted the mis-informed.

Hell, why not just dual-wield a S&W 500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEiyOkpxpE

<div class="quote">Often contracted to &quot;Deagle&quot; (pronounced like &quot;beagle&quot;), this red-giant motherfucker of a gun is aggrandized by rappers, movies, and video games. Pimply-faced fans of said rappers, movies, and video games often praise this generally impractical penis extension.</div>
Quoted from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Des ert+Eagle (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Desert+Eagle)

Most practical gun for a zombie infestation would be a .22 LR, like a Ruger 10/22 Rifle or a Mark III pistol. If you really want to know why, go read The Zombie Survival Guide.

[lilsamuraijoe]

Who the fuck cares THIS IS A FUCKING GAME. If you care so much about guns, real guns, do us all a favor and enlist in the military. I can have a fucking deagle in a videogame if I want.

[one of them]

The Deagle is no longer the best hand held... I prefer the Magnum 500 now.

http://www.stillhq.com/guns/pictures/magnum_50cal_500.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xp1jxALuc

[Dre]

I never claimed it's impossible to do, I guess I just don't understand why people always bring up desert eagles. I think CS corrupted the mis-informed.

man, i never even played CS before.

kill that noise.

since you want to post DUEL WELD WEAPONS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrmK3jV-4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8KWW8i6Svs&feature =related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8KWW8i6Svs&feature=related)


and i like the Deagle, for my own personal reason. not because of some game, or movie.

[DangerWillRobinson]

Until you've fired a 91/30, you don't know what recoil is.

[nerVe]

Until you've fired a 91/30, you don't know what recoil is.
Word.

I laugh when I see people just pouring ammo like that. Those two magazines of 14 rounds total cost about $27. For a whole five seconds of enjoyment. Woo.

[Dre]

Word.

I laugh when I see people just pouring ammo like that. Those two magazines of 14 rounds total cost about $27. For a whole five seconds of enjoyment. Woo.

....................oh yea???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Husleman/care.gif

[nerVe]

Hey guys, it's Kermit!