Viral Outbreak (HL2 Zombie Mod)

[D_Smid4499]

Hi guys, new to the forum here, some may know me as RawDog, I'm also the clan leader of YMU.

The last half a year, me and my mod team have been working on a underground zombie mod, before you go "omfg another zombie mod, when will they stop, none of them will finish". Trust me, I'm mad about that to, most likely none of the good looking mods will come out, or will not be as good as they look when they do, 4 years in development and all NMRiH team has to say is some good maps from darth, zombie models, weapon models. We've been working for almost half a year, zombie models done, weapons done, some maps done.

Before you go start yelling how Left for Dead will destroy this game and such, this is not a linear zombie game, no boss monsters, this mod is running zombies, the whole point is to survive in the huge maps, you need food, weapons and ammo ofcourse, and making good barricades, this will be a different experience Left for Dead will supply. This mod was also being planned before Left for Dead was announced.

We have a couple maps done already, and some still in development, I'm the lead mapper here, we have not released any screenshots yet as it will keep quiet, we have a wiki, and a web site under development, once we've gotten a bit further we will be releasing trailers, game play footage and such. As well an open beta may be being planned, depends on how much the community desires the game.

We have a full team put together already so you most likely wont get in the mod team, unless you are over qualified, hey it doesn't hurt to try.

Currently we have these weapons:
Pistols:
Usp Compact *Finished*
Kimber SWAT *Finished*
Smith and Weston Compact *Finished*

Rifle's
Remington 8700 *WIP*
Steyr Aug, Semi Auto *Finished*
HK33 *Finished*

Shotguns
XM1014 Auto *Finished*
Spas 12 *Finished*

Melee:
Axe
Crowbar (not hl2 default)
Flashlight *Finished*
Pipe
2 X 4

Maps:
Resident Evil 4 Village *Finished* -You guys will love this, textures from resident evil 4 for PC we're used to really make it look the same.

Crossroads Mall *3/4 Done, Still needs to get Custom Textures*

Night of the Living Dead *Finished*

London *Not started* - Based off 28 weeks later

Military Base - Off of 28 days later

Now before you judge, this is not like the majority of other zombie mods out there, we have a full team, working hard and going strong, there's a 90% chance you will be playing a stable version of this in less then a year.

By the way, congrats to one of our Programmers, TheNox, his indie gaming company recently got a 3million dollar contract from Lucas arts. Hopefully he sticks with us :P.
http://www.negames.net/ - His indie game White Rock

This is just a notice, to look forward to a promising mod, no pictures or links will be released as of yet, patience is virtue..

-D Smid

[wowzerss]

lol a year! by then L4D will have come out

[D_Smid4499]

When I say a year, I mean completely finished, everything we want to do will be done, we will most likely have a beta before Christmas. We almost finished our internal alpha, but nothing will be public until the beta.

[No Shelter]

Hope it gets somewhere.

[iRelentless]

"omfg another zombie mod, when will they stop, none of them will finish"
Why would anyone ever think that about a zombie mod... :D

It sounds great, and it sounds different enough from L4D to not get crushed by it. I hope all goes well, and that I manage to get in on the beta if it only has limited public access. :P

EDIT: Oh, and welcome to the forums.

[D_Smid4499]

Yeah thanks, we most likely get people we trust in on the beta, but you never know, we may release it to the whole public. Thanks guys for understand what we're going for here, we're close to an alpha.

[AckAck]

I hope this gets somewhere. Like you said, NMRiH is making 0 progress it would seem. But from what you say this could turn out to be everything i have been looking for in a zombie mod.

EDIT: Can you post a link to your wiki, I can't seem to find it?

[dontleave]

Cool good luck, looking forward.

[D_Smid4499]

We haven't given the wiki link yet because we're just polishing it up with lots of info on maps, weapons, and such. We may release wiki with website, but sure yet however.

[Deadly]

weird coincidence that we are on steam lol, like i said, me and my friend will see what we can do

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

how long have u been working on this project and with how many people

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

o ya and sounds good

[D_Smid4499]

We've been working for bout half a year I would say, it's been planned for a year or so but never put into action, currently I'm mapping, i got another ok mapper, then we got 2 programmers (1 is Nox who is really good), we got 3 other modeler's who do textures as well and one person working on website, logo, etc.

[Shrubberyjsc]

Welcome, and I hope to see it soon!

I'm a big fan of needing food/water, in fact, I had a ton of ideas for a L4D-ish MMO.

But alas, I'm one guy. Good on ya for getting a team together and working on it.

=D

[Teknobry]

So can you tell us how the basics of the game work? If you get caught do you instantly join the infected/zombie side, or do you have health that goes down until you die?

What are the objectives? Survive until time runs out or kill all zombies?

Have you any thought on how to stop players from barricade destroying? One of the main gripes of current CSS zombie mod is when a few players barricade a room, then some n00b throws a grenade in and destroys it.

[hooray for zombies]

Resident Evil 4 Village *Finished* -You guys will love this, textures from resident evil 4 for PC we're used to really make it look the same.

... I want to have your babies

[d_cover]

brainbread surce better come out i no zp source aint comming out the should close the forums

[D_Smid4499]

To Teknobry
We are not releasing any info at this time on the mod, it will remain quiet for a bit of time until we get up to alpha, once we know for sure what we are doing we will send out screenshots, videos, etc.

[Cradoc]

They keep making Zombie mods because most are crap (Besides ZM :D) and they think they can make it better

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

can u give us a clue to how the game play is besides that it has zombies

[iRelentless]

can u give us a clue to how the game play is besides that it has zombies

The third paragraph of the starting post (the one starting with "Before") tells me its objective based, get supplies and get the hell out of there without being eaten alive. With a few twists.
- Free roaming around the map. (L4D opted for a slightly more linear approach in favour of helping people not get lost and intensifying action, but so long as the maps aren't over complex this shouldn't be a problem for most people)
- Being able to build barricades to hold off the horde.
- Having to get supplies, or else you incur some kind of penalty. Like being eaten alive because you don't have any bullets.

None of the concepts seem particularly original by themselves. But originality isn't a strong suit in most zombie games anyway, so as long as they put it together well it should be awesome.

[D_Smid4499]

Thank you iRelentless for explaining.

He's absolutely correct, this zombie mod is different from the others in a couple ways, it's different from Left for Dead because Left for Dead is a completely linear experience, only one way through the map, and it's different from the other unreleased zombie mods because this zombie mod will actually come out... lol. This is also different from Zombie Master because its a full conversion, all models, textures, animations and such are different, the only thing resembling the original Half Life 2 is the menu.

[Asura]

OOoh a zombie mod! i love em and i love you D_Smid4499 for making a good one, oh and thx for the team :D godspeed.
I willl look after this one and wait till you guys get it playable so i can test it :D
so if there is closed beta count me in. I would be darn happy ^^ just cuz i love zombie survival games.

[No Shelter]

How many people are working on the mod currently?

[iRelentless]

Last I heard there were seven, and one working on the site.

currently I'm mapping, i got another ok mapper, then we got 2 programmers (1 is Nox who is really good), we got 3 other modeler's who do textures as well and one person working on website, logo, etc.

[Asura]

Lets make a Left 4 Dead 441 clan for that mod :P

[Rannos]

Aw...Christmas, really? So I still won't have anything to fill the zombie void before college starts :.(

[Prometheus]

Another zombie game is always welcome. :D

I really hope you spend sufficient amount of time tweeking the barricade system so that it works better than any current variation.

Good luck with your mod.

[D_Smid4499]

We're actually now thinking of releasing the alpha public because alot of the community is not supporting the wait, we don't want to lose you interest, we were aiming for all the planned maps to be done before we release, but we may just get our other things done and release, nothing official yet. It may still be a month or two.

Thankyou for all the support on this mod.

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

cant wait

[Shrubberyjsc]

It may still be a month or two.

Hell yeah.

[Teknobry]

Even if its just a single level alpha release, the feedback you get would be really helpful (i'd have thought) in how the objectives would work out, the barricading, weapon effectiveness/ammo etc etc.

[Deadly]

alpha or beta or full game = complete craziness...or is it crazyness

[No Shelter]

Can we get just one Screen shot, please :)

[dontleave]

You can get a screenshot when you've earned it!

[D_Smid4499]

lol, trust me we're getting a media pack together soon, not only screenshots but full gameplay footage of the types of gameplay, and the different roles you play in your team as a survivor.

[iRelentless]

and the different roles you play in your team as a survivor.
Does that mean a kit based character system?
With the more open plan maps, and (I assume) larger group of survivors, that should work well.

[No Shelter]

lol, trust me we're getting a media pack together soon, not only screenshots but full gameplay footage of the types of gameplay, and the different roles you play in your team as a survivor.

Just one tiny winy one!!!

[Cradoc]

Sounds better than some other ones I looked at :D
An Alpha would be nice, In the mood for Zombie bashing :D

[D_Smid4499]

No not at all, but you basically play a role in your team, 1 med kit (heals about 5-8 times) is available at spawn, 2 shotgun are available (depending on amount of players in game, ex: less then 4 people and there's only 1 shotgun), pistols are available to everyone and there's one strong weapon available for someone without a current role (med, cover(shotty), etc). Left over people are assigned spotter role or errand boy (lawl).

Update - Role System and Weapon System -

Detailed Explanations on Classes:
Spotter: Assigned a flashlight and a pistol, a flashlight must be held and not pressed with F button, think like Doom 3, when u melee with Flashlight you make the zombie ragdoll, you need proper timing or it will knock you down into a struggle for life, from then you press a random button combination that appears on screen to stay alive until your teammates help you. After 30 seconds you die. Spotter also can find his special weapon which is either Glock 17 with flashlight attached, or Usp Compact with Flashlight attached, this makes you able to shoot and spot at once.

Cover: Assigned a Shotgun, random either M3 or XM1014 (not the css models, custom models), this job is to work with spotter and eliminate zombies to help the other roles do their jobs, their special weapons are the normal shotguns with Slug rounds instead of Buckshot rounds, and they have flashlights attached. They also have a melee attack with primary weapon.

Medic: Assigned one of the original pistols and a med kit, it has the ability to heal teammates when low on health, and stop the infection once antidote in the level is found, most levels don't have the antidote in it as it's not seemed fit. Special weapons are the antidote (not really a weapon), Mac11 (with flashlight), and flashlight upgrade for pistol.

Cover (Strong): This class gets the random strong weapon, 1 of 3 rifles, with backup sawed-off shotgun, he also gets 1 m67 frag and incendiary grenade. This role is just simply to be the muscle of the team, the main fighting force. Upgraded weapons are more powerful rifles, with flashlight upgrades. They also have a melee attack with primary weapon.

Errand Boy(s): 4/10 of the team are these guys, these are the one's getting ammo and such, one gets a shotgun, other just get pistols (upgraded pistols, better then default, better accuracy and power). Their job is just to get ammo, food, etc based off game type.

It is random every time, and you cannot bet the same class twice, thrice, in a row, unless low on players. This mod allows 14 players total. You can pick up dead teammates weapons and use them no matter what class you are.

The role system is implanted to decrease the weapon, aha i call it the weapon vulture affect, in zm everyone rushes weapons and it reminds me of discovery channel when vultures snarl and fight for the dead food.

Zombie Info will be released soon, just a sneak peek, zombies flinch from body shot, but only die from head shots, when you head shot them the back of the head usually comes out with guts and such.

-D Smid

[Deadly]

Very cool. ERRAND GUYS FTW!!!

[Cradoc]

Will there be an Ironsight of some sort for the rifles and pistols?

[D_Smid4499]

It's all iron sights, with red orchestra style aiming, so you need to use iron sights to get accurate shots, it's really hard, when they're close and you spray it's hard to hit them making shotguns and handguns the most useful weapons close range.

[Deadly]

iron sights really? didnt expect that, pretty good idea though

[No Shelter]

Sounds neat. Are their batteries for the flashlight?

[Deadly]

Sounds neat. Are their batteries for the flashlight?

o damn i hope not, that would suck for the awesome errand boys goin to the store for radiated fruit *wink wink RawDog*

[D_Smid4499]

This aint a spray game, trust me if you spray your dead, this game is really hard we might have to easy the AI a bit. There are batteries for the flashlight, but it takes awhile for the flashlight to run out, it's shown a percentage for the ammo.

[D_Smid4499]

Lol, there are batteries but the only time you'll need it is when your on really long missions, 1 survival mission is 30 minutes long (Resident Evil 4 Village).

[Drizzt]

you need proper timing or it will knock you down into a struggle for life, from then you press a random button combination that appears on screen to stay alive until your teammates help you
ok random buttons like 10ftlg512csfd?

[D_Smid4499]

No it only consists of W - A, D - S, D - W, L Mouse - R Mouse, and Space - W, I think that's all, we did have Shift in there but most people have sticky keys on (make you minimize game after you press shift 3 times repeatedly) so we took it out.

[Cradoc]

YAY :D
RO is one of my Favourites :D
Sounds really really realistic :D

[Drizzt]

ah kool I have sticky keys :(

[Cradoc]

wow, thanks for the fast posting Smid, but shouldn't you be working on it???

[Deadly]

i disabled it

[iRelentless]

The RO iron sight and aiming system should work awesomely with a zombie game.

[D_Smid4499]

The RO iron sight and aiming system should work awesomely with a zombie game.


Yeah that's what we're going for, it forces you to stick together and fight smart.

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

is this have permenant freindly fire or can u turn it on or off

[D_Smid4499]

Well it has been discussed and it's toggle able, as seen by the result of Insurgency, FF can lead to chaos.

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

it sounds like u stick to the basic rule of the undead

[D_Smid4499]

BTW, I updated the update, both Cover roles can use a melee move with their weapon, it causes the zombies to ragdoll, if it hits other zombie they may fall over to or move out of the ragdolls way.

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

r they dismemberable or they just keep coming
its ok if u dont want to descuse it

[D_Smid4499]

They are not dismember able, originally it was planned but instead we made a wicked gore system, now we do have a dynamic AI spawning system, I can't say yet though.

[Anti Zombie Task Force]

cool

[m4stryfe]

I like the idea of head shots only. That's how it should be.

[D_Smid4499]

Yeah it's really cool, it adds a whole new level of difficulty, plus with our blood effects it looks stunning.

[AckAck]

Wow, this sounds like everything i have been looking for in a zombie game. Please don't turn out like NMRiH ( waited for 3 years >:(...) Keep up the good work!

[Cradoc]

Hehe I'm mapping right now, I'm just touching up some spots on the Resident Evil 4 Village map, plus I got some imported models from RE4 but they look like crap so I might just make my own

That village is amazing :D perfect place to have a zombie bashin

[Deadly]

do the iron sights make the screen zoom in or just make the gun pop up and everything looks the same distance

[iRelentless]

If its like RO, my guess is only guns with scopes zoom in and the rest just get an increase in accuracy.

[Deadly]

i mean like in CoD (call of duty) it zooms in just a little bit when you go to iron sights

[D_Smid4499]

That village is amazing :D perfect place to have a zombie bashin

Yes it truely is one of our best if not the best, plus it uses RE4 models and textures so its basicly the same village from the game, except better.

do the iron sights make the screen zoom in or just make the gun pop up and everything looks the same distance

No, what happens is the gun comes up onto the screen, on the right side, the left side blinks (simulating blinking the opposite eye of the one that is aiming) and you have half a screen to aim, the gun is centered on that half of the screen, I am very experienced in firearms (Canadian Reserve) and this is the most realistic attempt to simulate firearms in games I've ever seen.

[Deadly]

even more awesome!!! imagine zombies killing you from the left but you have no idea where you are getting hit from.

[Lolerskates]

No, what happens is the gun comes up onto the screen, on the right side, the left side blinks (simulating blinking the opposite eye of the one that is aiming) and you have half a screen to aim, the gun is centered on that half of the screen, I am very experienced in firearms (Canadian Reserve) and this is the most realistic attempt to simulate firearms in games I've ever seen.

Trained my dad's friends boy to shoot with both eyes open. weird. O_o

[D_Smid4499]

Trained my dad's friends boy to shoot with both eyes open. weird. O_o

Well if he's trying to hit an Insurgent 500m away hiding behind some mud walls, it won't end good, there's a reason there's sights on the top of weapons, hip aiming is so old fashioned, that's why the WW2 ended up so bad because the Germans were so well trained.

When both eye's are open you see the world in three dimensions, when you close one of your eyes you lose depth perception, you have to be seeing in two dimensions when handling a weapon, or your shot won't be straight.

[Deadly]

but will it stop you from seeing people charge at you?

[globalenjoi]

Hrmm... I really hope this mod isn't some well-planned ruse lol. It sounds great, everything a zombie mod should be!

If its for real, then awesome! I support you 100%!! (By support, of course, I mean that I will sit around going "Man I wish that zombie mod would hurry and come out!" =P)

If not.. then I hate you!

[Deadly]

its the truth!

[Etheallmighty]

so how much longer till the website goes up!? I wanna see pics,etc.
sounds sweet so far!!!.... Also I really like the headshot only thing, does the twitching when u hit elsewhere look good or still in progress of that?

[D_Smid4499]

We currently have two people working on the site currently, they haven't been workiing on it to long, these guys are working out of their freetime so it may take awhile, we may just put some media on the Wiki and give out the links, it'll be decided in a week or so.

[Etheallmighty]

cool

[Etheallmighty]

boy this thread really died, I was getting excited about this

[iRelentless]

Me too. But I suspect they're still working on it.

[Hauger]

Looking good in the hood :)

[Deek]

Sounds great, D_Smid! Best of luck.

[asu]

Cant wait, realy sounds awesome. The only thing I dont like that much is the headshot thing, but I´m probably the only one who things that...
I´ll get it anyways because I love Zombies :)
Good luck D_Smid !!

[QuotidianTemerity]

I'm indisposed towards this mod, primarily because D_Smid is an asshole.

[darksora2323]

because D_Smid is an asshole.

are you sure its this guy? or that other guy

[caboos]

Yeah thanks, we most likely get people we trust in on the beta, but you never know, we may release it to the whole public. Thanks guys for understand what we're going for here, we're close to an alpha.
the great thing about this site is no one will flame you, most people will support you and or be interested, to be honest i cant wait it sounds sick. as soon as you release any screen shots or a beta let me know.

[QuotidianTemerity]

are you sure its this guy? or that other guy

Rawdog = D_Smid

Rawdog is an asshole. Ergo, D_Smid is an asshole. You dig?

[darksora2323]

the great thing about this site is no one will flame you,
most of us wont, some people do.

anyone wants to give a quick summary of this mod?


Rawdog = D_Smid

Rawdog is an asshole. Ergo, D_Smid is an asshole. You dig?
OO yea i remember him
ok

[Crzy8s]

Sounds sweet, I'll look forward to it

[lilsamuraijoe]

ETA?

[shadowhunter]

damn good luck with everything this mod sounds amazing i just hope you guys folow threw..not doubtin ya just it happens a lot..also the headshot kill thing is a awsome idea and i also like how you guys are doing the iron sites..GOOD LUCK!!

[shadowhunter]

so yeah i guess this died?

[Deek]

D_Smid is afk until the 22nd.

[krunsh]

nice, can't ait to see more! I love the whole role idea

[shadowhunter]

yeah this mod sounds promising id just like to see some gameplay to see how it actually works

[darksora2323]

summary of mod?

[tp500]

Summary of the mod. Ok. You are randomly assigned a role based on what weapons are on the map, if you miss out on all the good ones you are going to end up an errand boy or spotter. You follow objectives like barricading your hideout or something like that or you're gathering food or equipment necessary to escape the map. You must work together to eliminate zombies because they can only be killed by a headshot(the way it should be). So going to way of so many "co-op" mods where the idea is to play the game with other people, teamwork is optional. Like Left 4 Dead this mod seems like you will need to cover each other and work together to get out alive. There's a mediocre summary of the mod from my reading of the forum in about 15 mins lol. THIS MOD WILL BE AWESOME!

[darksora2323]

thanks I to much reading for me, I would just take a summary.

[NickThatQuick]

Well this mod is not dead to all of you out there, D_Smid is banned so yeah... they have a site ( http://vomod.exofire.net/ ) and are very active on FPS Banana, (http://www.fpsbanana.com/studios/1449 ), this mod seams to be doing really well and looks promising, this RawDog (D_Smid) knows how to get things done, to bad he was such a dick.

[Shrubberyjsc]

too bad he was such a dick.


Haha, yeah.

[Halfeatendonkey]

Whats up with this D_smid every1 is talking about ? what did he do ?

[NickThatQuick]

I'm not sure but everyone says he was this big troll and everything, but apparently he's a genius.

[krunsh]

from http://vomod.exofire.net/

A mod early in development based off the popular 28 days/weeks movies, this means running zombies with a selective spawning system, this mod is a total conversion designed for realism and to be like the movies. We are doing all we can to get this right, so it's based off the movie, so it's realistic, and of course so it's fun, it has to be fun

thats new?

anyway I love running zombies.

but are you sure that is the same mode

[NickThatQuick]

I think it's new, I haven't really seen a Zombie Game based off realism and teamwork, I love Left 4 Dead and everything but they give you all these weapons, and ammo, and everything really, I would like to see where they go with this.

[Shrubberyjsc]

he was this big troll

lol.


He pointed out some things about L4D that he didn't like, I said that I disagreed with a few things, and he proceeded to start a flame war.

He also had a CS:S server that was a bit more fun to play than the ones that are out there now.

That's all.

[dontleave]

but apparently he's a genius.

How so? Steal a concept done in hundreds of other servers, claim it as his own, and make it well known on this forum for being run by a prick? Genius.

It wasn't even a mod, it was a series of plug-ins, mini-mods, scripts and custom skins for CS:S. There's a tutorial to do this on your own server anyhow.

Edit: Unless you mean his genuinely new concept for the TC (I've been talking about his server, considering that was the main topic in this... well err, topic) Because it's not all that genuine, he probably read a couple posts from a couple people here, I know I've mentioned the same thing and decided, hey what the hell?

His only chance for that TC to fly is if it comes out before L4D, it probably wont. And it that case, it'll easily get run down by a simple mini-mod that can do all those things. Even a couple scripts to alter running speed and health. He'll realize by the time L4D comes out he would have saved himself 75% of the work and should have just modded L4D.

I can tell you this though: the mapping on the mod, currently, looks really nice... I'd like to see a map like than in L4D, in fact, I'd like to see any other map from L4D (hopefully with some sunlight) Which err, apparently isn't done by him(ModDB and his website are arguing with eachother), although im guessing the annoyingly caps excessive text on their website is.

[krunsh]

I think he is OK...

the CS mod was the best...

And that infection mod look good...

[NickThatQuick]

He also had a CS:S server that was a bit more fun to play than the ones that are out there now.
Apparently alot of people loved it.

on this forum for being run by a prick?
Someone told me that he didn't get in trouble for anything he did on th forum but he was spamming the chat or something.

His only chance for that TC to fly is if it comes out before L4D
And he's only had a team (according to him) for three weeks for now and they've already done this, he says they just got a coder and the game will playable in a couple weeks when some weapons get skinned apparently.

he would have saved himself 75% of the work and should have just modded L4D.
I don't get why everyone says that, no offense at all here but can you add weapons or anything to CS:S, Left 4 Dead isn't going to run with a full SDK, instead they're throwing in a mapping SDK, which doesn't even let you pick the zombie spawns... Sorry for defending this prick a bit here but I see what he's trying to do, he's trying to make a non-linear, open zombie game.

That's another thing, what do you guys think about the whole way Left 4 Dead is, now I know it has the Director, and that will make the game different every time, but your running through the same map, I think that's a pretty big weakness, but it should still be good.

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

ow yeah looks cool

[darksora2323]

Someone told me that he didn't get in trouble for anything he did on th forum but he was spamming the chat or something.
1. He insulted people in the chat and on the forums repeatedly,
2. Who is this person you're talking about?

[NickThatQuick]

1. He insulted people in the chat and on the forums repeatedly,
2. Who is this person you're talking about?
D Smid/RawDog

[darksora2323]

Someone told me that he didn't get in trouble for anything he did on th forum but he was spamming the chat or something.

[NickThatQuick]

I searched around the forum and I didn't really see anything bad he did, except that Halo 3 thread or w/e. He's not a dick to me :D

[dontleave]

And he's only had a team (according to him) for three weeks for now and they've already done this, he says they just got a coder and the game will playable in a couple weeks when some weapons get skinned apparently.

No he won't, unless its a crap mod like ZM.


I don't get why everyone says that, no offense at all here but can you add weapons or anything to CS:S, Left 4 Dead isn't going to run with a full SDK, instead they're throwing in a mapping SDK, which doesn't even let you pick the zombie spawns... Sorry for defending this prick a bit here but I see what he's trying to do, he's trying to make a non-linear, open zombie game.

How exactly do you know this, it probably will, considering the potential for user content.

I said that because half his game IS Left 4 Dead. Left 4 Dead already has 20 maps, and you probably will be able to choose spawns. The Director decides what to do with the Infected, but you still need to see how they get in the map. (Over fences and whatnot) Unless thats completely random too.

[darksora2323]

He's not a dick to me :D
I have reason to believe that you are either him, or one of this loser friends. He cant be a dick to you if hes not on the forums genius.

[asu]

smells like smurf in here -.-

[dontleave]

I have reason to believe that you are either him, or one of this loser friends. He cant be a dick to you if hes not on the forums genius.

They could be communicating externally, out of the forums, and if that's the case... He probably knows what you're doing here, and is, to his best effort being nice to you.

Or what darksora2323 said.

Apparently alot of people loved it.

Nevertheless, many more people DIDN'T like it, and I played on Rabbits any chance I got.

[darksora2323]

to his best effort being nice to you.
Yea he tried to act all nice to nemesisvsleon and asked him to tell squerl to unban him and shit. It didnt work, if he can read this then I STILL HATE YOU.

[NickThatQuick]

I do communicate with him occasionally, we used to be in a CPL clan together...

How exactly do you know this, it probably will, considering the potential for user content.
How do I know this? If I sound rude excuse me, I love Left 4 Dead but the fact of the matter is that it has a smaller fan base then cs, css, tf2, etc etc. What makes you think they will make a full SDK for a game not many people want it for, so many people have been dying for a full SDK but Valve refuses to do so and they say they will only ever offer (for source) a full SDK for Hl2 or the Core Source Engine.

Nevertheless, many more people DIDN'T like it, and I played on Rabbits any chance I got.
I didn't really like it, I hate zombie mod, but alot of people we're always on his servers.

Yea he tried to act all nice to nemesisvsleon
http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791429525903

[frogopus]

Sigh,

Clearly Nick is just a friend of Smid and enjoys his mod (which hes doing a good job with). What he did or who his friends are aren't important in this situation. There are others who, as Nick shows, participate in the chat or forum that are part of his steam group and we have no problem with (Nick is very welcome here).

For the record, problematic posts are locked or deleted and would not come up in a search.

Regarding the fanbase, L4D is an unreleased, original IP. We can only guess at how large the fanbase may become.

[dontleave]

I didn't really like it, I hate zombie mod, but alot of people we're always on his servers.

Yeah, because it was 8 players max, usually consisting of him, and 2 others from his douche gang ruining the game. The most fun I had on that server was when he WASN'T on... I think that applies to most people.

How do I know this? If I sound rude excuse me, I love Left 4 Dead but the fact of the matter is that it has a smaller fan base then cs, css, tf2, etc etc. What makes you think they will make a full SDK for a game not many people want it for, so many people have been dying for a full SDK but Valve refuses to do so and they say they will only ever offer (for source) a full SDK for Hl2 or the Core Source Engine.

So you DON'T know... Okay then. The choice isn't Valves alone, TRS have a say, and with the new things they're implementing it's best they have one. That being said, you can always import things into the SDK and still have half his game done. ATLEAST, we'll have scripts and mini-mods virtually mimmicing his mod, and it'll be even better with the most advanced version of Source software.

http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791429525903



Time to purge the Heretics. Nevermind, thats old... He invited me into that also, don't know about everyone else, I initially accepted, thought "Wtf is this" and left. He tried to get me to ask squerl to unban him(mouthfull) also, but I just ignored him. To be honest im not one of the people who originally disliked him, when he got banned I didnt even know... but then he said some things... terrible things... *dramatic music* Point is, you may like his mod, I might too, but he's not a better person.

Not to mention, since when were the SAS in 28 Weeks Later?

[NickThatQuick]

So you DON'T know... Okay then. The choice isn't Valves alone, TRS have a say, and with the new things they're implementing it's best they have one. That being said, you can always import things into the SDK and still have half his game done. ATLEAST, we'll have scripts and mini-mods virtually mimmicing his mod, and it'll be even better with the most advanced version of Source software.
I sent them a support ticket a while back about it and they even said themselves they won't, it's not up to TRS, everything TRS does Valve needs to approve, Valve will not release an SDK for source based games, it is up to the 3rd party company (TRS in this case) to choose whether or not to include map support (which they did), but they can't actually offer up an SDK, now I know there is mini mods and stuff but you will never see new models, and I promise you that.

We can only guess at how large the fanbase may become.
The fanbase will grow but it probably won't grow larger then tf2 or css/cs.

Clearly Nick is just a friend of Smid and enjoys his mod (which hes doing a good job with).
I'm not really his friend, we just communicate sometimes, he can be a dick when he thinks he's funny :D.

[NickThatQuick]

Not to mention, since when were the SAS in 28 Weeks Later?
They sent the SAS after the kids when the mother was found in the house, I think that might of been it.

[NickThatQuick]

Time to purge the Heretics. Nevermind, thats old... He invited me into that also, don't know about everyone else, I initially accepted, thought "Wtf is this" and left. He tried to get me to ask squerl to unban him(mouthfull) also, but I just ignored him. To be honest im not one of the people who originally disliked him, when he got banned I didnt even know... but then he said some things... terrible things... *dramatic music* Point is, you may like his mod, I might too, but he's not a better person.
I meant to show with that link that leon and RawDog communicate alot and RawDog doesn't use em.. i think lol

[darksora2323]

. To be honest im not one of the people who originally disliked him
lol thats bullshit dontleave, you and me both flamed the hell out of him until he left the chat, then came back recklessly.

[dontleave]

They sent the SAS after the kids when the mother was found in the house, I think that might of been it.

REALLY? They sent SECRET AIR SERVICE after some kids? Pretty sure that was the NATO support group, lead by AMERICA. Just because they were gas masks doesn't mean they're SAS... lol@CS, next thing you know they'll have the Joint Task Force baby sitting the Olsen twins

I promise you that.

We'll see. But pretty much the only new models he needs are for the weapons, everything else is in Left 4 Dead, not to mention an undoubtebly more efficient AI for the Zombies. And you'd be surprised what you can do with plug-ins and mini-mods, new player skins, even different weapons. (Even in CS I think, I recall a banana gun that shot pink... stuff, could have been very early CS:S though)

If what you say is true, it'd be a shame to limit the usability of the Director(althought it makes sense that TRS might not want to give that out so freely), but mods can still be done, if people can get that giant weird ass thing from GoW into the SDK, they'll have no problem getting something already built on the Source engine in there.

lol thats bullshit dontleave, you and me both flamed the hell out of him until he left the chat, then came back recklessly.

Yeah, but I had no say in his ban, you guys decided that on your own.

[krunsh]

That one kid escaping could mean the death of everyone in UK once more (and it did)... so yeah... why not send the SAS :p

[dontleave]

why not send the SAS :p

Not a question of why not, it was a question of did they, and they didn't.

Might also point out that it's the dads fault for being such a fucking prick throughout the movie.

[hooray for zombies]

Might also point out that it's the dads fault for being such a fucking prick throughout the movie.

really, I felt so much worse when the army guy died. WIth the dad it was just "jesus fuck, why isn't he dead yet"

[NickThatQuick]

REALLY? They sent SECRET AIR SERVICE after some kids? Pretty sure that was the NATO support group, lead by AMERICA.
Watch the beggining of the movie where the American Soldier gives the instructions on whats going on and when the black guy talks, they have support from various countries, and have special tasks forces assisting them, GIGN, KSK, and SAS.
We'll see. But pretty much the only new models he needs are for the weapons, everything else is in Left 4 Dead, not to mention an undoubtebly more efficient AI for the Zombies. And you'd be surprised what you can do with plug-ins and mini-mods, new player skins, even different weapons. (Even in CS I think, I recall a banana gun that shot pink... stuff, could have been very early CS:S though)
No, you could only do that on VAC secured servers, and the fact that servers you can only download max 10kb/s thanks to VAC and a decent gun model and skin is AT LEAST 5mb or more there won't be custom skins.... period. Plus CS:S has had a huge fanbase for years and they have never had gun models for download, also if you downloaded a gun model/skin it would replace the one you had (can be removed by deleting from the directory) which most noobs don't know how to do. You can have custom PLAYER skins with mani admin because that is the only logical thing, haven't you noticed that the custom skins are crappy and low detailed? It's because that's the only type of skins that they can allow for download or people would be sitting there for literately and hour downloading one model.

[QuotidianTemerity]

This mod will never be released. Period.

[dontleave]

max 10kb/s

Don't think so. Else I've been downloading small ass maps, and that doesn't seem to be the case.

are crappy and low detailed?

No, they have skins from other games that look exactly like the originals.

Point was, all you need are scripts/plug-ins/mini-mods to make the game more 'realistic' whatever that means. And I don't doubt that TRS will make as much of their game available to modders. Pretty much his mod = L4D+Plug-ins, minis and scripts for 'realism' and objective based maps, which isn't unheard of. The only thing you might be missing out on is his choice on weapon models.

The fanbase will grow but it probably won't grow larger then tf2 or css/cs.

In one game no, and compared to the other two titles having 3 or more, no one expects it to. (CS:S, CS, CZ and the old UT mod, and TF2, TFC and the original Quake mod)

Watch the beggining of the movie where the American Soldier gives the instructions on whats going on and when the black guy talks, they have support from various countries, and have special tasks forces assisting them, GIGN, KSK, and SAS.

Yep, elite task forces, counter terrorism and hostage rescue units seem perfect for that situation. Im not doubting you, the whole movie wasnt exactly logical or realistic.

[NickThatQuick]

The only thing you might be missing out on is his choice on weapon models.
And bigger teams, no annoying bosses, MORE weapons, barricading, zombies system meant to fit on maps, objectives (real objectives that are coded not map based like Zombie Master), bigger maps, different play style (iron sights, realistic recoil).

[Shrubberyjsc]

Actually, I think that barricading will be easily accomplished in L4D.

What's more, if there's a file cabinet tipped over in front of a L4D zombie, I'm told he will hop over, instead of standing there.

Also, destructible doors and checkpoints will add a lot to L4D.

[dontleave]

And bigger teams, no annoying bosses, MORE weapons, barricading, zombies system meant to fit on maps, objectives (real objectives that are coded not map based like Zombie Master), bigger maps, different play style (iron sights, realistic recoil).

Half of that I don't want... and what does Zombies meant to fit on maps mean exactly? Now that you meantion it, sounds like NMRiH over again... that might be good or bad depending on how you see it, NMRiH is a great concept, but it won't ever be done. L4D>Both mods.

Even though a modded Left 4 Dead could achieve this in half the time he will.

[krunsh]

Half of that I don't want...

YOU don't want

[dontleave]

YOU don't want

Yes, I don't want. Thanks for clarifying MY thoughts, again... after it was perfectly clear. Thats okay though, I like it for other people to put emphasis on what I said exactly, especially if they do it in bold! For further clarification also note that "You might be" and the fact that objectives are objectives, doesn't matter if they're coded or map based whatever the significant difference is, and that no one is missing out on bigger maps. How long do you really think it'll be until TRS start releasing different maps?

[krunsh]

always glad to help :)

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

speaking of a outbreak look at this!
http://www.lifelesstheseries.com/blog/about/
its gonna be a freaking TV SERIES whit the black dude from L4D!! OMG THIS IS GONNA BE COOL!!!!

or not?

[NickThatQuick]

That shows looks really cool, but I hope it ain't censored and crap.

[darksora2323]

speaking of a outbreak look at this!
http://www.lifelesstheseries.com/blog/about/
its gonna be a freaking TV SERIES whit the black dude from L4D!! OMG THIS IS GONNA BE COOL!!!!

ROFL
Thats pretty old on here. Search lifeless on the forums

[caboos]

i hope its amazing i have a creepy zombie fetish, and this will make me so happy if its good

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

:D i think its gonna be cool to!
ROFL
Thats pretty old on here. Search lifeless on the forums
srry for that thit not know that but anny way....

[Eddy_of_the_dead]

and i hope its gonna last at least 2 seasons!
not going down like firefly or something....

[caboos]

not going down like firefly or something....
firefly being canceled biggest tv error ever made