I just can't take survivor AI anymore. . .

[Grieverlionhart]

This is getting really ridiculous why the hell can't I just tell the survivors where to stand with the left analog? All it does is yell out what's there but nothing happens, just a simple go here stay here button would relieve so much god damn stress, This time it's the flaming barricade on Dead Air I have 4 red tanks placed around 1 inside the dark area, one on the edge of the archway, one down the alley by the wire cylinders and one on the wall to the right ready to shoot for when the barricade is actually gone but another wave come to attack.

This plan went to shit twice, the 1st time we lived the hordes and while running down the alley expecting the bots to follow I turn to find they are charging after a hunter, a mob procedes to take down Zoey and I sigh reluctantly to go help. We get away after me losing about 70 health all the bots used all the health kits in one go simply because they couldn't fucking run down an alleyway. Of course as we approach the cop car a tank smashes me one in the face before I can even get around the corner.

Try number two was just horrible, Same tank placements and when I set of the barricade I shoot the tank in the dark room but then what's this shit? As I'm about to shoot the one by the wire cylinders I see Bill Francis and Zoey jumping on top to get ontop of the white construction building. I literally find myself without choice and shoot the other can seeing as the bots fucked off ontop of the site anyway. Things go ok for 5 seconds until I find Bill killed a Hunter and all 3 survivors nose dive off the 2nd story into not only a horde of 20 or so zombies but a blazing inferno. I just about had enough and left them to burn, I shot the last canister to make good my escape down the alley, restocked grabbed pills and still had a medkit.

I can make it til they spawn I reckon so I keep running gunning down every last fucker in sight when I get to the medkit box and stock up on ammo again fending off a smoker and hunter. I get to the part where it's outside and I'm meant to climb the parking lot when I realise it's been a few good minutes since the bots have died and wondered where the hell was the respawn. A boomer gets the longest puke I've ever seen and I bash with all my might lobbing a pipe bomb but found it too late. I died and saw the survivors appear in a closet near me. This has effectively put me off the game for a month or so. . .

Needed to get it outta me, I hate bots /rant

EDIT- Poll should AI be given a regroup or go here button? OR leave them be

If there's a huge column of yes's I hope Valve catch a glimpse

[DTard]

This might have to be moved to Xbox area.

Not sure but
the left analog
seems pretty Xbox exclusive.

[Grieverlionhart]

This might have to be moved to Xbox area.
I have this on the PC aswell it's no different even a key to tell them where to go would be awesome. I'm pointing out why can't there be some basic function of pointing the bots where to go?

[KitaYumi]

I hate that too. Their all incredibly sensible in easy or normal. As soon as you crank it up a notch higher, everything goes to shit -.-

[DTard]

I'm pointing out why can't there be some basic function of pointing the bots where to go?
I agree. There are alor of games where they have "squad orders"
but if you had that it takes away from the whole idea of "the bots have minds of their own".

But I definitely wouldn't mind a mod of this :)

[Shrubberyjsc]

some basic function of pointing the bots where to go?


Would really be appreciated.

The bots seem to love to stand in the worst possible places, and they also seem to hate to stick together until you're too far away.

It'd be great to tell them which spots to hold.

The idea is seconded.

[KitaYumi]

I agree. There are alor of games where they have "squad orders"
but if you had that it takes away from the whole idea of "the bots have minds of their own".

But I definitely wouldn't mind a mod of this :)
Not really. Even if there was just a button that meant 'Stick together!' sorta thing. It would help SO much!

[Grieverlionhart]

I agree. There are alor of games where they have "squad orders"
but if you had that it takes away from the whole idea of "the bots have minds of their own".
But when you play with other people one of you tends to be the leader anyway, a simple click would cure all my aggrivation, I want the left analog to do something more than yell out "look at this!" at a toilet seat for a laugh.

I also only got the pc version for the mods and stuff aswell as the SDK :/ . . .

[Warhawk]

you said it i HATE bots they are practicly working for the infected. ive seen bots run ahead activating tank killing us when i was gunna heal, [i only play expert and versus] ive seen them run right up to witch walking slowly and get owned, ive seen them try to heal somebody in burning flames which then died, ive seen them help another bot up/from hunter/smoker before you; even thoe if you die the thing restarts, ive seen them fucking hit the car alarms, ive seen them charge ahead while your doing something with the team and get themselves killed in versus/campaign, ive seen them let a boomer melee them to death so i had to melee him which then the bots shot him when hes beside me and i have him well meleed, ive seen francis about to die shoot a boomer wen i was gunna cleanly melee him then francis died from the horde it made in VS, ive seen ppl take a break in campaign only to find the bot used pills THEN used a medkit at 48 hp on expert [adding a suelss 30 hp taking by 2 normal zombies], as well as bots getting the player taking a simple washroom break and killing him in that short while ofc also used the pills and medkit, ive seen bots sit in a door way getting beat on by a fucking horde without doing anything til they get incapped, and ive seen a bot put his back to a tank and ran towards it getting instant owned without doing any damage. I fucking HATE bots I love smushing and burning them in single player as stress balls after they fuck up the team thoe. In VS if i got more then 1 bot I wont even start the game til i get more or leave then the door will auto open and the greasy fuck infected come in and kill you because the bots all rush out and get killed instantly by a ambush humans could easily prevent.

[Grieverlionhart]

Warhawk you pretty much summed up the last few agonizing months for me, my friends who do still play this game only ever touch vs and after a game with them on expert, I see why. . . ow my ass

[Warhawk]

I agree. There are alor of games where they have "squad orders"
but if you had that it takes away from the whole idea of "the bots have minds of their own".

But I definitely wouldn't mind a mod of this :)
i think youve been smoking a bit too much of them shrooms buddy

[Grieverlionhart]

i think youve been smoking a bit too much of them shrooms buddy
Shit, and i felt the need to start :(

[Death From Above]

I swear the bots intentionally play a lot worse when it's on expert. The NM finale is impossible with bots (on expert). Maybe there is a certain place that is good to go to with them, but I can't find it. If you could point to a wall or object and tell them to go to it, it would help. Also I don't understand why they run up to the Tank and wait to get hit by him.

I've noticed 70% of the time bots won't turn around if a zombie is hitting them from behind. They'll literally just stand there until they get incapped.

[YuriTMND]

seems pretty Xbox exclusive.

I have an analog on my keyboard.

[Grieverlionhart]

I swear the bots intentionally play a lot worse when it's on expert. The NM finale is impossible with bots (on expert). Maybe there is a certain place that is good to go to with them, but I can't find it. If you could point to a wall or object and tell them to go to it, it would help. Also I don't understand why they run up to the Tank and wait to get hit by him.
Yeah I get Zoey with a hunting rifle go up to it's face, Bill goes down clipping into stuff as he walks back and Louis always whips out a pistol instead of his shotty to take out the tank. It happens every single godamn time the game forces me to carry an auto shotgun around seeing as I have to do all the work of the team

[Keptron]

Buddy, I died in on day 2x with bugged bots on me trying to shove hunter. If he get too much on you, the idiot bot can't aim down :<

[yourbadmega]

bots are shit on expert. I have seen them take pills then one second later use a medkit. I have also seen them use a medkit while green. They never seem to care when I get dragged off by a smoker until I am constricted in which case, i get downed almost every time. I have seen them run through fire to help up a downed bot while i was right next to them getting ripped to shreds by a hunter.

[arsis]

I refuse to play with bots, unless I have to. They cause so many FF incidents. Fucking Louis ran into the fire when I threw a molotov on expert the other day...

I remember hearing people say &quot;I didn't even know they were bots!&quot; when they game was being developed. Fuck that, they're moronic! I've played with noobs that are smarter than them...
Oh and one time on expert, I was playing with one human player, and one bot was dead. The bot was in the green, I was red, and my friend was red. I found two pills, took one for my self, then the bot took it before my friend and then used them... So my friend was left in the red while the bot had green temp health.

UGH!

And they don't use grenades? They also heal me when I don't want to be healed. I like to save medpacks until after I went down. I could go on forever, seriously.

[Grieverlionhart]

And they don't use grenades? They also heal me when I don't want to be healed. I like to save medpacks until after I went down. I could go on forever, seriously.
Bots and grenades argh my head hurts at the possibilities. . .
And yes I get patched up after I take pills ¬¬

If it is one thing I think they missed in all that playtesting was playing with the bots, the last time I heard about the bots was the 1st video interview :|

EDIT- Just a quick thought but has anyone not had a character model load on the 360 version? It's always Bill when it does happen, A floating medkit and a shotgun is hard to see surprisingly

[Nemesis_vs_Leon]

All AI in online team games needs to let you order it around with complete control.

[yourbadmega]

Just a quick thought but has anyone not had a character model load on the 360 version? It's always Bill when it does happen, A floating medkit and a shotgun is hard to see surprisingly
yeah that happened to zoey twice to me. I was like wtf there are only three of us and it says zoey is with us with green health. Then I see a floating hunting rifle and med kit.

[PSOLaguna]

I always get stuck baby sitting a retard but the second theres a bot on the enemy team its like their IQ shot up and they turned on those thermal goggles because Im always getting shot from miles away and they seem to flock to me before I fully START to pounce/pull someone. When they cant even melee me two feet next to them is just wrong w/AI. They seem to smarter the more bots are on a team. They should at least let you call them over or something.

[Xanase]

They also heal me when I don't want to be healed.
If you pull out your medkit they'll stop trying to heal you for a minute or two, then attempt to heal you again. So just take it out when they come near to heal you.

Also, if you use the voice commands like &quot;Cover me&quot; they'll run to you. Dunno if the xbox has a voice command thing, though.

Only problem I've had with bots is that they can't melee smokers or hunters effectively so they'll stand next to you meleeing their ass off and missing entirely.

[Tyr]

The AI is okay but it simply doesn't compare to a human player. Being able to direct somene on where to be and what to do is incredibly useful. Although AI is never going to adapt to a situation or show intelligence as such, just being able to direct them on where to stand would be useful.

[theliberator1]

the only advantage bots have are their accuracy when shooting. if they are facing the right way they rarely ever miss. I've seen louis get a 65% accuracy on advanced.

then again thats as much luck as finding a leprechaun in the woods of blood harvest.

[Chaos]

I haven't had such mentioned problems with AI other than them just kinda standing there and looking at you or walking in circles around you when you're getting pounced or strangled... And walking in front of me while I'm shooting.

[Infest0125]

I was thinking something exactly like this, a command button. That would help so much, plus I also wish that bots wouldn't keep running in my damned line of fire. I always get a FF incident for this.

Another thing that really, REALLY needs a fix..... Sometimes bots don't take their medkits in saferooms if they've used one to heal up, and this usually leaves an extra medkit that nobody is getting, and I find this incredibly annoying... Anybody else seen this problem?

[blah]

Well actually, the second answer. Because it does get frustrating, however, this is what makes is so Fun!

[TidalSpiral]

Well actually, the second answer. Because it does get frustrating, however, this is what makes is so Fun!

I don't find their ignorance of the apocalypse around them fun... it just makes me want to turn genocidal and massacre every other living thing until it's just me re-enacting Sesame Street with rotting corpses.

Definitely some kind of directing buttons would've helped out tremendously on Expert. I'd like &quot;Go Here&quot; and &quot;Don't Heal&quot; functions the most; them being bad at getting Hunters or Tanks I can live with since it should be more up to the humans anyway.

[KitaYumi]

I hate it especially when they run i front of you while your shooting out. This happens to me especially in NM5.
In the turret room (360) theres an ammo rack that has one door still open. In versus this creates a fantastic little V shape where you can cover the entire left side of the building alone.
everytime I do this in versus if its me, a human and 2 bots. The bots ALWAYS stand in front of you. THEY DONT EVEN CROUCH.

[WhiskeySix]

We tweaked our PC servers to make the bots a little more human like - you can make them stick together a lot more closely. This helps a lot, since most of the problems are with them wandering off. They get pounced, trigger hordes, and are always too far to help you when YOU get pounced.

If you're playing single-player, add this to your autoexec.cfg. If you're hosting a server, add this to your server.cfg:


//=====================================
//turn on cheats to modify these variables - turn off when done
sv_cheats 1

//sb_separation_danger_max_range : 600 : , &quot;sv&quot;, &quot;cheat&quot; : A Survivor teammate this far away needs to be gathered back into the group
sb_separation_danger_max_range 400

//sb_separation_danger_min_range : 500 : , &quot;sv&quot;, &quot;cheat&quot; : A Survivor teammate this far away is straying from the group
sb_separation_danger_min_range 200

//sb_separation_range : 200 : , &quot;sv&quot;, &quot;cheat&quot; : Desired distance between Survivors
sb_separation_range 200

sv_cheats 0
//------------------------------------------------ ------------------


-Whiskey

www.TacticalGamer.com (http://www.tacticalgamer.com/left-4-dead)

[Grieverlionhart]

Thanks Wiskey, I've debated just selling my 360 version and getting into the pc version more I love playing in thirdperson with no crosshair its much more immersive :P

[zombicidalmaniac]

i think there need to be some infected AI's i versus me and my sis love to play versus offline just me and her but befor i can even crouch to pounce im shot thru a wall or sumthin. TT_TT

P.S. i have 360 version so i dont have that console stuff but great to know Whiskey