My two cents on "Glitching" things

[Tayken]

Moving items to block the path, you all know what I am talking about. I can ruin the fun if you have complete dick cheese for an enemy but think about it:
The end of the world almost everyone is infected few are immune and there are super infected (boss infected). They are strong, quick and, fairly intelligent. If this were to happen IRL then you would have infected moving things about to kill you for what ever their motivations are. I think that Valve should not make these things immovable but either harder to move for infected and easier to move for survivors or say spawn a propane tank or O2 tank near these locations for the survivors to use if they stay in one place for more than say 3 mins? I think that yes it is annoying and I get pissed if someone moves something into the way (more often than not making it worse for them next round). What are your thoughts on this. Make it somewhat more realistic or just nix it all together.

[NovaSilisko]

dick cheese

lolwut

[Chaos]

Speaking of glitching, in a versus game a few hours ago I was the tank in the BH finale. The opposing team was camping in the corner of the radio room with auto shotguns. Go fucking figure.

So I hit them through the wall. "Wtf, through the fucking wall?!"

As far as I'm concerned, if somebody exploits or pulls a dick move, you do it back.

[PSOLaguna]

Making the objects immovable runs the risk of survivors getting stuck somewhere by getting punched by a tank or some sort of explosion. I think they should make it so infected couldnt move anything with the exception of the tanks punch/boomer explosion and the survivors should be able to melee something enough times to move it ever so slightly if they had to for w/e reason.

[Tayken]

lolwut
Hey now don't be an Ass hat hole.

[Poodge]

when the 360 patch comes, you will find that objects moved by the tank disappear after a while. So dont worry.

And I dont see anything wrong at all with people organizing themselves in a strategic hard to hit area with full auto shotties. It almost seems like you think that is cheating, and that they should run into open areas full of potential for an infected ambush, and just take the hits.

I also don't see anything wrong with punching through the walls.

[PSOLaguna]

And I dont see anything wrong at all with people organizing themselves in a strategic hard to hit area with full auto shotties.

Sitting in a corner inside all of your team mates with 4 auto shotties while spamming melee, is quite possibly the most pathetic "strategy" I have seen the entire time I have played games online. Nothing can get through, and it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever.

when the 360 patch comes, you will find that objects moved by the tank disappear after a while. So dont worry.


Cars that block paths disappear after sometime of not being hit by the tank in the 360 ver already.

I also don't see anything wrong with punching through the walls.

Thats about as tasteful as any other glitch.

[Tayken]

Everything should be breakable for a Tank. It makes sense that a tank could punch through a wall it is some steroid junky that can rip up concrete. Survivors can shoot through walls. I don't know how many times i have been shot down as a boomer on the other side of a wall.

[PSOLaguna]

Everything should be breakable for a Tank. It makes sense that a tank could punch through a wall it is some steroid junky that can rip up concrete

While he can break through some walls. Could you imagine how hard the game would be if the tank could break down almost any wall? It would be a combination of Battle field: Bad Company and L4D, lol...

[Tayken]

And we shall make MEEEEEELIOOOONS!
That aside I see what you mean I think the game needs some more work. As far as all aspects of the boss and what not. Then again I am not Valve.

[PSOLaguna]

Then again I am not Valve.

Sometimes I dont think Valve thinks theyre Valve, lol.

[Tayken]

Could mean I really am Valve. That being said. I am so sorry for CS.

[Poodge]

so you think survivors should not use an effective strategy to avoid damage? The point is for survivors to minimize as much damage as possible. I see nothing wrong with corner camping and killing the tank in seconds. It takes organization, and there is no fix for it, as long as there is a corner, a room, anything, survivors will do this, and rightfully so. Running around like Rambo shooting stuff up all heroically SHOULD be punished.

[PSOLaguna]

CS

CS being Counter Strike? lol without it L4D may not even be here.

so you think survivors should not use an effective strategy to avoid damage? The point is for survivors to minimize as much damage as possible. I see nothing wrong with corner camping and killing the tank in seconds. It takes organization, and there is no fix for it, as long as there is a corner, a room, anything, survivors will do this, and rightfully so. Running around like Rambo shooting stuff up all heroically SHOULD be punished.

If you honestly think hiding yourself in a corner is fair then you clearly lack any actual skill. There is a difference between strategy, and abusing the ability to hide in each other and constantly melee. You can go ahead and keep that pathetic display in campaign.

[Poodge]

Now hold on, how exactly do you approach situations? Are you trying to tell me that it is a better idea to go running with guns blazing then to hold up in one spot and take out everything coming before you move on> Why the HELL would you make yourself vulnerable to a tank, or even a horde?!

[Tayken]

CS being Counter Strike? lol without it L4D may not even be here.
OK ok CS fanboys.corner camping and killing the tank in seconds.
Camping is never good. Also how much do you like being killed in seconds as the Tank?

[Poodge]

Camping is never good. Also how much do you like being killed in seconds as the Tank?

Camping when nothing is going on is bad, but holding up in one place to keep everyone from getting destroyed is good. And I DONT get killed in seconds when I play tank. If I see that they are held up tight in a good spot, and throwing rocks wont work, I run far ahead and strategically place the tank in a spot where the AI will take control once it sees the survivors.

And who gives a rat's ass if the player playing as the tank got killed in seconds? He just got rocked, and obviously deservedly so, he was dumb to go after a well organized team the way that he did. He shouldn't be pampered just cause he sucks.

[stev0hazard]

Speaking of glitching, in a versus game a few hours ago I was the tank in the BH finale. The opposing team was camping in the corner of the radio room with auto shotguns. Go fucking figure.

So I hit them through the wall. "Wtf, through the fucking wall?!"

As far as I'm concerned, if somebody exploits or pulls a dick move, you do it back.
Probably something like the whole "boomers belly going through the wall" thing I'd imagine, if you' have gone in there while they all had shot guns blazing you'd be screwed though, I've had a team take down a tank like that in 10 seconds tops.

[PSOLaguna]

OK ok CS fanboys.

Hey, I like CS, but I wouldnt say I liked it enough to consider myself a fanboy. I remember playing the CSS zombie mod, and when I played the demo of L4D all those memories rushed back.

Camping when nothing is going on is bad, but holding up in one place to keep everyone from getting destroyed is good. And I DONT get killed in seconds when I play tank. If I see that they are held up tight in a good spot, and throwing rocks wont work, I run far ahead and strategically place the tank in a spot where the AI will take control once it sees the survivors.


Sounds to me like you probably sit in one play and melee cars around until they get to you, tsk tsk, cheap tactic.

And who gives a rat's ass if the player playing as the tank got killed in seconds? He just got rocked, and obviously deservedly so, he was dumb to go after a well organized team the way that he did. He shouldn't be pampered just cause he sucks.

Sitting in a corner, and hiding in each other with all auto shotguns isnt "rocking" anything but that pathetic little ego of yours with such a clear display cheapness. You cant honestly sit there and argue that sitting in one place takes any actual skill...

[Poodge]

Sounds to me like you probably sit in one play and melee cars around until they get to you, tsk tsk, cheap tactic.
first off, no i dont because that was patched out on the last update for the PC version, and second, I dont see anything wrong with that either. All is fair in love and war. Its all about judgement calls. If you are going to get killed because a team is well organized, create a situation where they are split up before making your strike. I dont see the point in rushing head first into a situation if there is clearly a more effective way around it.

Sitting in a corner, and hiding in each other with all auto shotguns isnt "rocking" anything but that pathetic little ego of yours with such a clear display cheapness. You cant honestly sit there and argue that sitting in one place takes any actual skill...

And you cant sit there and honestly say that running head first into a dangerous situation with little protection is very smart can you? I find this game to give an edge to strategists over skilled. This is a good thing.

[Poodge]

I remember playing the CSS zombie mod, and when I played the demo of L4D all those memories rushed back.

And just to throw something else in there, the core essence of zombie mod in CSS is to camp in a room barricaded with soda machines and just wait for them to get you. Thats even worst than what you are complaining about for L4D

[PSOLaguna]

first off, no i dont because that was patched out on the last update for the PC version, and second, I dont see anything wrong with that either. All is fair in love and war. Its all about judgement calls. If you are going to get killed because a team is well organized, create a situation where they are split up before making your strike. I dont see the point in rushing head first into a situation if there is clearly a more effective way around it.

Lol...so you admit that something that was clearly patched because its not the way the devs wanted the game to be played is not only something youd do but wouldnt have continued doing it if you could, tsk tsk. You have the attitude of someone who loses a lot and takes any chance cheap or not to get ahead.

And you cant sit there and honestly say that running head first into a dangerous situation with little protection is very smart can you? I find this game to give an edge to strategists over skilled. This is a good thing.

I like how with you its either hide in a corner and camp or run off ahead like youre playing Grand Turismo and youre trying to finish before your team mates. Is your life honestly that black and white?

And just to throw something else in there, the core essence of zombie mod in CSS is to camp in a room barricaded with soda machines and just wait for them to get you. Thats even worst than what you are complaining about for L4D

The zombie mod was just that, a mod. It worked for them because of the quick respawn and the fact that you had tons of HP and you could have other people help you by infecting them. Dont go comparing two VERY different games to justify your clear lack of a decent strategy.

[Psymon]

these threads draw me like a moth to a flame. So...

Since
Sitting in a corner inside all of your team mates with 4 auto shotties while spamming melee, is quite possibly the most pathetic "strategy" I have seen the entire time I have played games online. Nothing can get through, and it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever.

There's nothing wrong with camping in a decent corner, everyone wielding autos. Its a good tactic. Survivors want to minimise damage taken, that's one way to do it. I actually don't think its the best way, since if a boomer DOES get close or a hunter does land, its all four of you staggered.

Also, I once watched a team in NM4, closet camping. It actually wrecked them because they never noticed the lift had arrived. They were there at least 2 minutes after its arrival, we managed to keep a constant stream of infected with boomer puke and actually killed one before they got in the lift. If you can't think your way round this "unbeatable" tactic, that's your problem.

[Tayken]

This all strays from the original topic a little.

[PSOLaguna]

There's nothing wrong with camping in a decent corner, everyone wielding autos. Its a good tactic. Survivors want to minimise damage taken, that's one way to do it. I actually don't think its the best way, since if a boomer DOES get close or a hunter does land, its all four of you staggered.

Yet another "player" that thinks spamming melee and hoarding auto shotguns in a corner is a legit "strategy". Id actually like to see you try and make any significant damage trying to pounce into a corner of 4 peoples melee. The point if, its effective but it takes no skill therefor its a cheap thing to do.

Also, I once watched a team in NM4, closet camping. It actually wrecked them because they never noticed the lift had arrived. They were there at least 2 minutes after its arrival, we managed to keep a constant stream of infected with boomer puke and actually killed one before they got in the lift. If you can't think your way round this "unbeatable" tactic, that's your problem.

Yeah so youre saying these people are so unskilled that they were camping in a closet and they werent alert enough to know when it was time to go and thats what got one of them killed not that you found some great counter to their cheap "strategy".

My point is that it takes not skill and its a cheap thing to do, sitting in your team mates spamming the melee, especially in versus games. If you do this and you think youve got some sort of skill then youre sadly mistaken. A good team would find a decent room and watch the entrances during crescendos attacks, not pile up on each other like its some orgy.

[pwner1992]

Yet another "player" that thinks spamming melee and hoarding auto shotguns in a corner is a legit "strategy".
You might aswell add me to your list of "unskilled" players. So... In a zombie apocalypse you would run out and play rambo?
In Left 4 Dead it's all about staying alive, and if you "camp corners" to achieve it, its allright with me, you have to move once anyways, thats when you strike. And if the tank gets killed in 10 seconds, well then the player arent that good really, I have yet too see a tank go down in 10 seconds on versus.

[iKissedABoomer]

no.

[Funky Biscuits]

If it can be done it's legit end of.

[Kisho]

CS being Counter Strike? lol without it L4D may not even be here.

OK ok CS fanboys.

CS Fanboys nothing. I'm going to take it you never played through the Commentary mode, in which the developers talk about how L4D was first thought of because they were developing bots for Counter-Strike, and found it was fun as hell to pit 3 or 4 human players against a crap load of enemy bots who were armed with nothing but knives?

My point is that it takes not skill and its a cheap thing to do, sitting in your team mates spamming the melee, especially in versus games. If you do this and you think youve got some sort of skill then youre sadly mistaken. A good team would find a decent room and watch the entrances during crescendos attacks, not pile up on each other like its some orgy.

Honestly, if your infected team can't strategize a way to rape the survivors as they exit the closet/corner, which they will inevitably need to do at some point, that's not the fault of the survivors. Besides, what's the difference between sitting in a corner and destroying whatever infected get close, and sitting in a room with one entrance, and destroying whatever infected get close? There's no more skill involved, you're just in a different location, and more spread out. I guess if your goal is to encourage friendly fire whenever a zombie breaks through towards one of your teammates, and you all start firing at it, then I can see how it's less cheap. I mean, more dmg to the survivors = better for the infected, right?

I think people have a hard time realizing that when a crescendo event occurs, the survivors are supposed to find somewhere safe and hold out until it's safe to keep going. Corner camping is less cheap than using the smoker underneath the roof in NM3 as the survivors have to go along the pipes to get through the window. Nothing they can really do to stop from getting pulled off, yet that's accepted as a valid strategy.

[PSOLaguna]

I think people have a hard time realizing that when a crescendo event occurs, the survivors are supposed to find somewhere safe and hold out until it's safe to keep going. Corner camping is less cheap than using the smoker underneath the roof in NM3 as the survivors have to go along the pipes to get through the window. Nothing they can really do to stop from getting pulled off, yet that's accepted as a valid strategy.

You barely make any sense. Youre saying that doing something that can only be done with one infected in a certain spot is less skillful than piling up and spamming melee which could be done in ANY corner by holding down a trigger?

If you listen to the commentary the devs put the ability to take up the same space as your team mates as a way to counteract a certain type of grieving, not so you could hide in a corner for the entire finale on versus.

Ive seen teams that were so bad using it that one would get puked on and EVERYONE was in a corner, hitting melee, I didnt even hear one shot. Its a cheap strategy that takes practically no skill just the common sense to hold down a trigger and back on the right stick.

I think its fine if youre trying to beat campaign on expert but its unsportsmanlike to sit in a corner up your teams butt and melee for ever little reason.

I have yet too see a tank go down in 10 seconds on versus.

Lol...one player can take a tank out with an auto shotgun easily. Go watch what happens when 4 players camp a corner in NM Finale and a tank spawns.

If it can be done it's legit end of.

Moving stuff to block survivors path.
Instant killing pulls with the smoker that have been patched on PC but not 360.
Spawning as hybrid infected.
Dashboard/jesus room glitch.

Well since it can all be done its legit right? Lmao...

[pwner1992]

Lol...one player can take a tank out with an auto shotgun easily
then the tank suck balls >.<

[Infest0125]

Spawning as hybrid infected.

Wait a minute..... That sounds fucking awesome, explain?

[Hon3r]

If the game was realistic the survivors would be able to climb over fences, most barricades and most items used to block paths...

[Tayken]

I'm going to take it you never played through the Commentary mode
Have too!
If the game was realistic the survivors would be able to climb over fences, most barricades and most items used to block paths...
I would love to see this.

[iH8lazyDead]

i'm with PSOLaguna on this. sure you can corner camp but don't even try to pass it off as a skilled maneuver. how anyone can sit there during an entire finale and consider it fun is beyond me. hell, why sit there and have to hold down a button when you can &quot;take a break&quot; and let the a.i. play for you. at least that way it might be fun to watch. keep the NM ramp trick if you'd like but corner camping is lame. if the survivors weren't capable of occupying one spot then while they were bunched up in a corner there is the chance that you find a momentarily unprotected angle to exploit while they are taking a risk of getting friendly fire. the fact that those trying to defend this crap behavior by going the opposite extreme shows how weak their argument is. just because you don't camp corners does not mean you automatically go into rambo mode. you can be a tight unit without resorting to such things. that said, it's your game and you paid for it so do what you want but don't bother trying to convince anyone but yourselves that its some sort of a pro tactic.

[PSOLaguna]

Wait a minute..... That sounds fucking awesome, explain?

http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/index.php?actio n=vthread&forum=7&topic=9847 (http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=7&topic=9847)

Weve tested it and proven that you can use it against survivors. Originally it was the three people in the video that discovered the glitch but a lot of help came from friends to test it further. So its possible it use it against people online.

Finally someone that understands what Im saying, thank you, iH8lazyDead. I just cant wrap my mind around how people think that a skillful thing to do O_o..

[Infest0125]

PSO I just saw that thread after I posted that less cooler then I thought it would be, just plain annoying actually.

And Lazy, thank you you're awesome.

One more thing to add...... Countering corner camping by exploiting is stooping lower than their level, no matter what you argue. Best way to beat corner campers? When its your turn as survivors, don't corner camp, actually have fun, and beat them, and its just plain awesome.

[Icy Lemon]

I agree.Corner camping may be the more logical decision but its just so boring.

[docofthemist1337]

If this were to happen IRL

i would call ZOMBIE BULLSHIT.....

[Poodge]

Finally someone that understands what Im saying, thank you, iH8lazyDead. I just cant wrap my mind around how people think that a skillful thing to do O_o..

I still don't think you fully understand what self preservation means. This is a survival horror/action game. SURVIVAL horror. You survive. You don't put yourself in situations where you will get destroyed. Its obvious you cant wrap your head around that concept, you dont have to tell us you cant.

[Pandaslayer]

I do find the standing in a corner spamming melee technique somewhat cheap in its present form. Of course I still do it (hypocrite much I know).

However, I'd be interested in a slightly more realistic approach that would undoubtedly end this behavior. Of course making it so 4 different people can't occupy the same space would stop this problem but it would present a host of others with the game physics.

An easier solution would be to make it so melee does damage to other players, or at least sends them through the pushback animation. It just baffles me that the same melee that kills an infected in a few hits does absolutely nothing to an ally.

So many of the people claiming it's strategy and running around &quot;Rambo&quot; style is the only other alternative are accepting an impossible act as logical/legit...Irony runs thick.

[DaSciz]

I just cant wrap my mind around how people think that a skillful thing to do O_o..

Heres a thought.

Minimizing damage in a corner is more skillful than running around in the middle of a fucking room like a chicken with its head cut off and a firecracker up its ass.

[Infest0125]

I still don't think you fully understand what self preservation means. This is a survival horror/action game. SURVIVAL horror. You survive. You don't put yourself in situations where you will get destroyed. Its obvious you cant wrap your head around that concept, you dont have to tell us you cant.

You don't have to be a dick because he voiced his opinion. Theres a difference between real life and a video game. This is a video game, and the goal is for all players to have a fun time. Corner/Closet camping is not fun for anybody, and what point is winning without stats?

[Poodge]

Minimizing damage in a corner is more skillful than running around in the middle of a fucking room like a chicken with its head cut off and a firecracker up its ass.
THIS. I was going almost this exact thing a few posts back.

You don't have to be a dick because he voiced his opinion. Theres a difference between real life and a video game. This is a video game, and the goal is for all players to have a fun time. Corner/Closet camping is not fun for anybody, and what point is winning without stats?
You are assuming it isnt fun for everybody. I find that living to the end of a map is much more fun than dieing. Therefore, I enjoy corner camping to save my ass and keep playing. And if my fun happens to piss off other players who are stupid and run in my line of fire and die in under 10 seconds, than I am having more fun. If they rage, I am having even MORE fun. In all honesty, the more pissed off the other team gets, the happier I am.

[Infest0125]

You are assuming it isnt fun for everybody. I find that living to the end of a map is much more fun than dieing.

I'd rather die fairly than live cheaply TBH. Plus, I've had much more fun laughing with friends at our death then living to see the end of a map and don't say I suck or anything, because you have never seen me play, so you can't think that, and I don't plan on playing with a guy like you.

If you have to play cheap to win a map, then you don't really have skills, and if you can't have fun when you die either, you can't really have fun in the game.

Closet camping in campaign on expert I can understand, but in versus, its just annoying.

[CrAnKeDHigH]

LOL

This is exactly why there is SO much glitching and exploiting in this game. If there are this many people who think corner camping is a legit tactic, then there are just as many people who believe glitching is OK because it is &quot;just part of the game&quot;.

This might be the funniest thread I have read in a while. To go from corner camping to rambo as the only two options is just downright fuckin hilarious. Like PSO said, you bought the game do what you will, but please dont try to justify your garbage tactics with shitty comparisons to real life situations. Hilarious!

[CrAnKeDHigH]

I'd rather die fairly than live cheaply TBH.

+1

[Poodge]

There is no honor in a video game, your out to win, and make the other team lose, miserably. Winning is fun.

[Infest0125]

There is no honor in a video game, your out to win, and make the other team lose, miserably.

Actually video games were made for fun last time I checked.

Winning is fun.

When was the last time you won without corner camping though? Doing it using a cheap tactic doesn't make you better than the other team or make the win truly as great as you think.

[Poodge]

ok, I understand there is more to winning, but it is all to easy to not have fun if you are dead and watching the action, and losing can be frustrating.

I SEE your point about NOT camping corners, but I still think it is a legit way to get through a level, since it is not cheating, exploiting or otherwise. Its simply a group of people taking advantage of a particular area in a map to survive. But there isnt some code of chivalry that is in video games, and killing a tank dead in seconds is the ideal thing to do, its not a good idea to tango with it in an open space killed with potential ambushes.

[PSOLaguna]

and I don't plan on playing with a guy like you

I also second that thought. Hes got such a clear distaste for losing, he must have to swallow it often.

There is no honor in a video game, your out to win, and make the other team lose, miserably. Winning is fun.

Lmao... games are fun. Its not whether you win or lose, its how you play the game. What you get out of it.

Its simply a group of people taking advantage of a particular area in a map to survive.

EVERY place in ANY map that has a corner is a particular area.

But there isnt some code of chivalry that is in video games,

Yeah thats what most immature people think. They think they can say and do what they want because they can remain anonymous and that theres no repercussions for their actions.

[Infest0125]

Yeah thats what most immature people think. They think they can say and do what they want because they can remain anonymous and that theres no repercussions for their actions.

QFT.
Plus....
Lmao... games are fun. Its not whether you win or lose, its how you play the game. What you get out of it.

Also QFT.

Because would you rather lose and have fun or win and have less fun?

[DaSciz]

I win and have fun. I don't see why you think the two are seperated somehow.

[Poodge]

I would rather win and have fun, which is what i do continuously, thank you. And should I piss off people like you through my strategic wins, then good. It makes me all the happier, and there isn't shit you can do to stop it.

[Infest0125]

I would rather win and have fun, which is what i do continuously

Using corner camping.

through my strategic wins

First, not your strategy. Second, hardly even a legitimate strategy if it is at all.

I win and have fun. I don't see why you think the two are seperated somehow.

The difference is what you do to achieve those goals. People who corner camp in versus just piss me off, as they have such little skill and try to justify it most of the time and the fact that its not that important to win, and corner camping doesn't make it too fun for either teams.

[DaSciz]

People who corner camp in versus just piss me off, as they have such little skill

Heres a thought.

Minimizing damage in a corner is more skillful than running around in the middle of a fucking room like a chicken with its head cut off and a firecracker up its ass

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its not that important to win, and corner camping doesn't make it too fun for either teams.

Thanks for speaking for everybody.

[Infest0125]

Minimizing damage in a corner is more skillful than running around in the middle of a fucking room like a chicken with its head cut off and a firecracker up its ass.

Did I ever say run around the room like a headless chicken? No, there is such thing as strategy without corner camping you know.

Thanks for speaking for everybody.

Its not fun in my opinion. Plus almost everybody I've asked has agreed. Don't try and justify it as there is no way.

[DaSciz]

Did I ever say run around the room like a headless chicken? No, there is such thing as strategy without corner camping you know.

Propose to me a strategy that's as/more effective. That is to say, taking the least amount of damage possible.


Its not fun. Pretty much everybody I have asked has said corner camping is boring and annoying to go against.

You know what sucks? That the survivors have guns. Makes it annoying to go against them. I'd kill em much more easily if they were senile, unarmed amputees.

[Infest0125]

Propose to me a strategy that's as/more effective. That is to say, taking the least amount of damage possible.

An organized team that is out in a room that infected can enter. Fun and efficient.

You know what sucks? That the survivors have guns. Makes it annoying to go against them. I'd kill em much more easily if they were senile, unarmed amputees.

You know what sucks? Trolls. So I'm just gonna stop talking to you and label you the way you labeled me as a &quot;fanboy&quot;.

Only difference?

The label I gave you was with a good reason.

[ynglink]

Hey poodge, do you play on 360 or PC?

[DaSciz]

An organized team that is out in a room that infected can enter. Fun and efficient.

Ugh. If you think this is as/more efficient than corner camping, I don't know how you passed third grade thinking skills.

And my second point was plenty valid, though you were obviously too offended by my humor to bother making a rational point. Corner camping is as much a tool to the survivors as their guns.

[Infest0125]

humor

That was a joke? Cause I read it and only saw fail.

If you think this is as/more efficient than corner camping, I don't know how you passed third grade thinking skills.

Never said it was more efficient than corner camping, now did I? Just said it was fun and efficient. A truly organized team shouldn't have to corner camp.

[PSOLaguna]

Lol, some of these people and their &quot;arguments&quot; hopelessly entertaining.

[Infest0125]

IK Laguna, some of them make me either facepalm or lol with disapointment.

Hey DaSciz, am I also a fanboy?

[DaSciz]

Propose to me a strategy that's as/more effective.

An organized team that is out in a room that infected can enter. Fun and efficient.

Never said it was more efficient than corner camping, now did I?

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Can you not read, or are you just thick?

[Poodge]

You know what sucks? Trolls. So I'm just gonna stop talking to you and label you the way you labeled me as a &quot;fanboy&quot;.
He hasnt been trolling at all, quite the opposite. Ive been a bigger asshole than him.

Hey poodge, do you play on 360 or PC?
I play on the PC version

[Infest0125]

Can you read? I never said it was MORE fun and efficient, just fun and efficient and actually fair.

But what do you know, you're just a fanboy defending VALVe's poor design choice.

[PSOLaguna]

Well, like I said, using the whole corner standing in your teammates melee spamming is okay in campaign IMO but dont bring that garbage to versus, and they try and act all high and mighty about it.

[ynglink]

I play on the PC version

Oh, okay, cause I wanted to throw you down the elevator shaft. I guess I won't get my chance.

[DaSciz]

Can you read? I never said it was MORE fun and efficient, just fun and efficient and actually fair.

But what do you know, you're just a fanboy defending VALVe's poor design choice.

You're clearly too upset to discuss further.

[Xsng]

An organized team that is out in a room that infected can enter.

Hahahahaha, good one. Maybe we can get rid of all the weapons in the world, end hunger, and cure every single disease too.

[PSOLaguna]

Oh, okay, cause I wanted to through you down the elevator shaft. I guess I won't get my chance.

IRL! lololololol.

Hahahahaha, good one. Maybe we can get rid of all the weapons in the world, end hunger, and cure every single disease too.

Um no, just stop please...its not working out for us. Were going to have to let you go.

[KingKon21]

Oh, okay, cause I wanted to through you down the elevator shaft. I guess I won't get my chance.
Oh jeez, LMAO. Nice set up.

[Infest0125]

You're clearly too upset to discuss further.

You mean like you were when I said the game was fine without iron sights?

Fuck this thread I'm leaving I tried to have a valid conversation on why corner camping is dumb, yet instead I have to deal with an idiot who makes me want to put a kitten in the fucking microwave.

Oh, okay, cause I wanted to through you down the elevator shaft. I guess I won't get my chance.

I lol'd hard. You're now my favorite member.

[Xsng]

Fuck this thread I'm leaving I tried to have a valid conversation on why corner camping is dumb, yet instead I have to deal with an idiot who makes me want to put a kitten in the fucking microwave.

He was having a valid conversation. It seems like you can't handle yourself.

[KingKon21]

I lol'd hard. You're now my favorite member.
Insata-fav. If we get sigs, im putting ynglink in mine.

[PSOLaguna]

I have to deal with an idiot who makes me want to put a kitten in the fucking microwave.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/funny-pictures-your-cat-mistakes-a-gerbil-cage-for-a-microwave1.jpg (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/funny-pictures-your-cat-mistakes-a-gerbil-cage-for-a-microwave1.jpg)

[Infest0125]

He was having a valid conversation. It seems like you can't handle yourself.

Personally I've hated DaSciz since his &quot;fanboy&quot; argument a while back. I've been giving valid points to why corner camping while accepted in campaign I accept, it should be kept in campaign and kept the fuck out of versus as its just plain annoying. Those who try to justify it are idiots, those who think they're the greatest player by doing it, those who think its an effective and brilliant strategy are idiots, those who do it are idiots.

Don't be an idiot.

Now.... Bye bye!

Insata-fav. If we get sigs, im putting ynglink in mine.

Same. I will now only come here to talk to Kon, ynglink and Laguna, and will ignore all idiots so don't bother responding if you're an idiot.

[Poodge]

But what do you know, you're just a fanboy defending VALVe's poor design choice.


Yes, because YOU are much better at this stuff than Valve is...

Oh, okay, cause I wanted to throw you down the elevator shaft. I guess I won't get my chance.

Haha, that was actually pretty good, but I sense alot of people getting angry in here over something that is legitimate, and will never be fully solved, so go cry more, and go back to your deathmatch games.

[Xsng]

Those who try to justify it are idiots, those who think they're the greatest player by doing it, those who think its an effective and brilliant strategy are idiots, those who do it are idiots.

Infest, I think you're a smart guy and all, but you seem like you're loosing control of your emotions.

Edit:
and will ignore all idiots so don't bother responding if you're an idiot.

Wow, you might want to come back and check this when you're done crying.

[Infest0125]

Infest, I think you're a smart guy and all, but you seem like you're loosing control of your emotions.

I do tend to lose it, especially around DaSciz.

Yes, because YOU are much better at this stuff than Valve is...

That was a reference to an argument he had where all he said was &quot;You're just a fanboy&quot;. I could find it if you gimme a second...

http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/index.php?actio n=vthread&topic=9214&forum=2&page=0 (http://www.left4dead411.com/forums/index.php?action=vthread&topic=9214&forum=2&page=0)

Wow, you might want to come back and check this when you're done crying.

I am pissed. I came to give an input and that was it, only to have two people argue with me especially one I've hated since he signed up. This has kept me from doing homework and I know that was stupid, but I personally hate when a fight gets started to try and justify something stupid such as corner camping.

[KingKon21]

I've hated DaSciz
Same, although i have no valid reasons other then he hated me first. :P


Oh shit, i havent bee on topic in this thread, Ken~kun is gunna kill me.
Ummm . . . . . I dont like glitching either. Blocking paths, corner camping (which i do too, making me a hypocrite), and bashing down doors not ment to be bashed down (also do this. also makes me a hypocrite).

Also, rules 11-14 of the internet are appearing all over this thread. Thought i'd add this.

[PSOLaguna]

Infest, I think you're a smart guy and all, but you seem like you're loosing control of your emotions.

Wow, you might want to come back and check this when you're done crying.


You should really try and keep your emotions in check and not try and instigate something with him.

[Poodge]

Personally I've hated DaSciz since his &quot;fanboy&quot; argument a while back. I've been giving valid points to why corner camping while accepted in campaign I accept, it should be kept in campaign and kept the fuck out of versus as its just plain annoying.

No, all youve been doing is complaining about something, and claiming you are right, and how people who dont agree with you are wrong.

Same. I will now only come here to talk to Kon, ynglink and Laguna, and will ignore all idiots so don't bother responding if you're an idiot.

And so now you are going to isolate yourself from other's opinions because your so high on your own ideas, that anything anyone else has to say that is different is inferior to your own beliefs.

[SlainPwner666]

Slight link phail.
Corner camping: Fail
Car Blocking: Gives time for the survivors to heal and shit on the PC, dunno about the 360
Melee Spamming: Fail
Crouching under shit while the tank comes: Great way to end up with three witches spawned right at the entrance of your god hole.

[Infest0125]

And so now you are going to isolate yourself from other's opinions because your so high on your own ideas, that anything anyone else has to say that is different is inferior to your own beliefs.

Actually I rage at corner campers and people who try to justify it.

[DaSciz]

Reason does tend to foster hatred.

[Infest0125]

Reason does tend to foster hatred.

That may be the only thing you've said that truly made me lol and hard.

Thanks. Really.

[Xsng]

You should really try and keep your emotions in check and not try and instigate something with him.

Lol, I'm just pointing out to him that he's speaking with the maturity of a 3rd grader. &quot;You're all just a bunch of idiots!!!!11&quot;

I have no emotional attachment to Infest, or what he says. I just hope he comes back later and knows how he acted.

[PSOLaguna]

Reason does tend to foster hatred.

Crazy people dont know theyre crazy but that doesnt make them not crazy. ;)

Lol, I'm just pointing out to him that he's speaking with the maturity of a 3rd grader.

Wow, you might want to come back and check this when you're done crying.

Uh huh...

[KingKon21]

I have no emotional attachment to Infest, or what he says. I just hope he comes back later and knows how he acted.
What are you his dad? Making him think about what he has down before he comes back? Spanking him might work better.

[Xsng]

What are you his dad?

Yes sir.

[Poodge]

Actually I rage at corner campers and people who try to justify it.

That's childish dude, the real thing to do is destroy that team if it upsets you so much. Camping teams don't auto win, they still get demolished sometimes. And to be quite honest, I laugh my ass off when people rage, it means I did something so amazing or dick to them, that they couldn't handle it anymore, and ran away. Its like ragers think that they showed us or something by leaving the game and getting replaced 2 seconds later.

[Infest0125]

I have no emotional attachment to Infest, or what he says. I just hope he comes back later and knows how he acted.

While I did act a little harsh, I personally hate DaSciz with a burning passion for many reasons and I hate corner campers. DaSciz proved himself to be on my hate list with his &quot;Fanboy&quot; argument and he reminds me slightly of Havoc1310 and I hate that, plus the fact that hes trying to justify corner camping makes me get incredibly pissed.

Xsng, you I have respect for though as you've provided valid arguments and you can actually be a nice guy at times.

Crazy people dont know theyre crazy but that doesnt make them not crazy. ;)

I honestly could not have thought up a better argument Laguna.

&quot;That's childish dude, the real thing to do is destroy that team if it upsets you so much. Camping teams don't auto win, they still get demolished sometimes.&quot;

Thats true, but I still find it annoying when it happens even if I do wind up killing the team later.

[DaSciz]

Back to the subject at hand.

Corner camping is an efficient, practical and useful strategy. Here's why:

It minimizes damage. In the event of a horde attack, panic event, or finale, there is no better strategy to stay healthy than to corner camp. If someone has a better strategy, state it.

Note that I didn't not take 'fun' into account, because fun is impossible to gauge.

[PSOLaguna]

Note that I didn't not take 'fun' into account, because fun is impossible to gauge especially when using such a pathetically unskillful tactic such as this.

Corrected. ;) Ah, nothing like a good argument to bring a thread to life.

[Infest0125]

In campaign, corner camping can be accepted.

In versus however, it is considered cheap and not generally accepted, no matter how much it minimizes damage.

[DaSciz]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see the validity in your argument. Care to elaborate?

[PSOLaguna]

In campaign, corner camping can be accepted.

In versus however, it is considered cheap and not generally accepted, no matter how much it minimizes damage.

I agrizzle my nizzle.

[Infest0125]

If you mean mine, corner camping can be accepted in campaign because while being cheap, the infected can't complain and they can't techinically have fun, just being AI.

However, when playing against humans, they're in it to have fun like you, and corner or worse closet camping can completely ruin their experience, especially when all they can do is wait. Thats not really fair, now is it?

[Poodge]

Im gonna post my finishing thoughts here unless something else crazy pops up on this thread: I see your point about not camping in corners, and I definitely disagree with using exploits/glitches/cheats. I don't really see a difference in camping in vs or campaign, its equally as useful/fun(or not fun, depending on who you ask). But I dont think its very constructive or reasonable to think that corner camping for intense situations like tanks or crescendo hordes is terrible and noobish. And some people on here are getting way too angry about the views of others. Take it easy, and learn to dela with it, the problem (well, problem to SOME) is not going anywhere, at least for a LONG time.

[Xsng]

Corrected. ;) Ah, nothing like a good argument to bring a thread to life.

I like how he tried to reason properly, and you responded with just as much reason. (Sarcasm)

I just want to ask, what do you do when a boomer vomits on you? Do you find it better to go to a corner and just melee until you can see again, or do you run around in circles?

[KingKon21]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see the validity in your argument. Care to elaborate?
I smoke pot cuz it tastes good, makes me feel better, and cus everyone else does it. Doesn't make it a perfectly acceptable stratagy, does it?

I like how he tried to reason properly, and you responded with just as much reason. (Sarcasm)
You seem to be good at that too,
Quoting: KingKon21
What are you his dad?

Yes sir.

[PSOLaguna]

I just want to ask, what do you do when a boomer vomits on you? Do you find it better to go to a corner and just melee until you can see again, or do you run around in circles?


I make sure to run as far as I can in the level so I can &quot;aggro&quot; all the zombies to me and therefor clear the path for my teammates, duh!

It works extra well if you startle a witch because she cant hurt you if theres a million infected on you ;)

[KingKon21]

I make sure to run as far as I can in the level so I can &quot;aggro&quot; all the zombies to me and therefor clear the path for my teammates, duh!

It works extra well if you startle a witch because she cant hurt you if theres a million infected on you ;)
This guy seems to know what he's doing. (pm xbox gt)

[PSOLaguna]

This guy seems to know what he's doing. (pm xbox gt)

Normally people pay for pro tips like that!

[Xsng]

I make sure to run as far as I can in the level so I can &quot;aggro&quot; all the zombies to me and therefor clear the path for my teammates, duh!

It works extra well if you startle a witch because she cant hurt you if theres a million infected on you ;)

Leaving your teammates open to attack by the infected team. You're left with 4 infected on 3 survivors, making it nearly impossible to defeat a good versus team at that point.

[DaSciz]

However, when playing against humans, they're in it to have fun like you, and corner or worse closet camping can completely ruin their experience, especially when all they can do is wait. Thats not really fair, now is it?

I'm sorry, I can't measure 'fun' levels or 'fairness'. The only evidence I see for an effective strategy is damage taken, and I suppose ammo consumed.

I smoke pot cuz it tastes good, makes me feel better, and cus everyone else does it. Doesn't make it a perfectly acceptable stratagy, does it?

I don't care about bud. I really don't.

[Infest0125]

I'm sorry, I can't measure 'fun' levels or 'fairness'. The only evidence I see for an effective strategy is damage taken, and I suppose ammo consumed.

Jeez, and you called me thick.

Just because you can't measure fun, take into consideration the other team and if they'd have fun too. This doesn't mean throw yourselves out to death, just find something a little more fair.

[DaSciz]

Care to explain to me why I should give a damn about the other team's experience? How much fun they're having? How fair the game is? I play for my benefit.

[PSOLaguna]

Care to explain to me why I should give a damn about the other team's experience? How much fun they're having? How fair the game is? I play for my benefit.


What a pathetically nasty attitude...

http://www.thecheezburgerfactory.com/completestore/128371513645948735EmoCatNeedsLo.jpg (http://www.thecheezburgerfactory.com/completestore/128371513645948735EmoCatNeedsLo.jpg)

[Infest0125]

Care to explain to me why I should give a damn about the other team's experience? How much fun they're having? How fair the game is? I play for my benefit.

This just proves how much of an asshole you are.

Do you also block pathways?

[PSOLaguna]

Do you also block pathways?


Only the ones to his heart! lol

[Xsng]

Was he free? Was he happy? The question is absurd:
Had anything been wrong, we should certainly have heard.

[Infest0125]

Was he free? Was he happy? The question is absurd: Had anything been wrong, we should certainly have heard.

What?

[DaSciz]

My god, X, that's my absolute favorite.

Then again, you probably figured I liked it.

[G_X]

In campaign, corner camping can be accepted.

In versus however, it is considered cheap and not generally accepted, no matter how much it minimizes damage.
I think you have that backwards. I have never, in my lifetime, played a Versus game where someone suggested NOT corner camping.

Bottom line: it works. How can you expect players to not use a strategy that works?

If you want to win, play to win. If you don't play to win, expect to lose.

[KingKon21]

I have to give props to infest (sorry about blowing up your spot like this).
He has been trolling you from the start, and you all fell for it, like a fat kid falling for cake(?). Not only did he get sand in your vagina, but he also made you guys sound like assholes, and idiots for trying to win an argument on the internet. He also made fun of one common theme in many games, rage quitting. Infest sure is one epic troll.

Note to Ken-kun: i didnt start shit, i didnt cause shit, i didnt do shit. Just pointing out stuff, dont ban me. i Know how you mods have hardons for your mod powers.

[DaSciz]

I don't get emotionally attached to discussions, unlike you, kon.

[Infest0125]

I think you have that backwards. I have never, in my lifetime, played a Versus game where someone suggested NOT corner camping.

Bottom line: it works. How can you expect players to not use a strategy that works?

If you want to win, play to win. If you don't play to win, expect to lose.

I understand it works, but what I don't understand is why people absolutely insist on using cheap tactics to win in a game that doesn't even have tracked stats. Honestly.

[KingKon21]

I don't get emotionally attached to discussions, unlike you, kon.
Yeah, i dont feel the resentment from here.

[SlainPwner666]

Give it up infest, these people are never gonna learn. My advice, compile a friends list of people who are active, and refuse to exploit. Or, make a lobby and kick anyone who says they will. If they change their minds in game, then there is console kick

[Infest0125]

Give it up infest, these people are never gonna learn. My advice, compile a friends list of people who are active, and refuse to exploit. Or, make a lobby and kick anyone who says they will. If they change their minds in game, then there is console kick

Thats another thing I dunno.... Why I'm still posting in this thread.

Guess I'm THAT against corner camping =P

Slain, good thing we have our epic versus games right?

[EClaris]

although as far as corner camping goes i feel as though I should interject my opinion.

Now think back way to the demo and how excited we were to play it and the generator room run downs. One person guarding the hole, one person minigunning, one person to back up the minigunner and one spare guy to go where he was needed and fend against special infected.

Strategies like that are non existent anymore and have been replaced by corners, now im not saying dont use them they are indeed useful, but i feel like we're kind of missing the point because its obvious a lot of stands are supposed to center around the minigun yet no one uses it and woulld rather sit in a corner and melee. Like I said it works and I use it for boomer bile and horde rushes but I wish people would stop using it for crescendos and finales because it really does drain out the fun

[SlainPwner666]

Yea. Although I live on EST, so I'm at work from 9 to five.

[Infest0125]

Strategies like that are non existent anymore and have been replaced by corners, now im not saying dont use them they are indeed useful, but i feel like we're kind of missing the point because its obvious a lot of stands are supposed to center around the minigun yet no one uses it and woulld rather sit in a corner and melee. Like I said it works and I use it for boomer bile and horde rushes but I wish people would stop using it for crescendos and finales because it really does drain out the fun

Exactly what I've been trying to get accross EClaris. Those actual strategies are so much more fun, ya know?

Yea. Although I live on EST, so I'm at work from 9 to five.

I've been swamped in schoolwork and out with friends a lot recently, so unfortunately haven't been on too much.

[DaSciz]

[/i]Give it up infest, these people are never gonna learn.

You're an adult, I expected more maturity out of you than these emotional kids.

[SlainPwner666]

What did you expect? Me to praise everything you said and then politely suggest to infest to give it up?

[Infest0125]

Plus, Slain is actually in a clan that doesn't use cheap tactics and is still good.

[KingKon21]

You're an adult, I expected more maturity out of you than these emotional kids.
Rule # 20
Nothing is to be taken seriously.


Quit crying, it's the internet.

[Xsng]

What did you expect? Me to praise everything you said and then politely suggest to infest to give it up?

Because that was your only option right?

[DaSciz]

What did you expect? Me to praise everything you said and then politely suggest to infest to give it up?

I expected you to be above implying that anyone who does not agree with you simply &quot;doesn't learn&quot;.

[Infest0125]

I expected you to be above implying that anyone who does not agree with you simply &quot;doesn't learn&quot;.

Thats better than when you called people &quot;fanboys&quot; because they didn't want iron sights.

[SlainPwner666]

Thats exactly it. Infest had already decided that you were wrong and that he was right, so if I went along with it all, then maybe I could end the pointless trolling. I actually don't agree with either of you, but yes, I would prefer it if no one blocked my doorway with a car. And so you not do the same?

Edit: View above post

[KingKon21]

Damn, i love how people try to be professional on the internet. Expecially on a video game forum. Get over it, I did, and appearently im an emotional wreck. You guys have it easy.

[EClaris]

Get over it, I did, and appearently, im an emotional wreck. You guys have it easy.

Don't worry Kon, I'll console you

[Infest0125]

Don't worry Kon, I'll console you

Kon, did it reach a full inch after reading that? ;)

[SlainPwner666]

Considering that everyone in this thread seems to be a little worked up, allow me to relieve a little stress
URL (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/459-Left-4-Dead)

[DaSciz]

Damn, i love how people try to be professional on the internet. Expecially on a video game forum. Get over it, I did, and appearently im an emotional wreck. You guys have it easy.

You're absolutely right, kon. Instead of acting on this forum how I always act, I'll act like a moron because it's the internet and I'm expected to. Self-respect is nothing. I should bend to the will of others.

[Infest0125]

Thanks for posting that Slain, that reminded me I needed to look at his recent reviews.

[SlainPwner666]

Thanks for posting that Slain, that reminded me I needed to look at his recent reviews.

Hes so hilarious. Thought it would inject some relief into this thread with the force of a massive stone with a needle on the end

[EClaris]

Considering that everyone in this thread seems to be a little worked up, allow me to relieve a little stress
The escapist's flash player isnt compatible with my web browser anymore so I just raged harder

[KingKon21]

You're absolutely right, kon. Instead of acting on this forum how I always act, I'll act like a moron because it's the internet and I'm expected to. Self-respect is nothing. I should bend to the will of others
Fucking finally. Theres hope for you yet.

Don't worry Kon, I'll console you
Oh shit . . . . .awsome.

[Infest0125]

Oh shit . . . . .awsome.

Bonerific by any chance?

[SlainPwner666]

The escapist's flash player isnt compatible with my web browser anymore so I just raged harder

Hmm. Lemme see if its on youtube. 1 Sec

Edit: Nope. Your fucked. Imagine a funny british guy raging about left 4 dead with hilarious still images in the background

[KingKon21]

Bonerific by any chance?
I bet shes got lips like a godess. I'd like a taste.


Creepy, aint i?

[PSOLaguna]

Now think back way to the demo and how excited we were to play it and the generator room run downs. One person guarding the hole, one person minigunning, one person to back up the minigunner and one spare guy to go where he was needed and fend against special infected.

Ah memories! now long forgotten. They may as well replace the turret with a tree or something pretty to look at during versus games, lol...

You're an adult, I expected more maturity out of you than these emotional kids.


Lmao...lets see here...

Minimizing damage in a corner is more skillful than running around in the middle of a fucking room like a chicken with its head cut off and a firecracker up its ass.

Exaggeration.

You know what sucks? That the survivors have guns. Makes it annoying to go against them. I'd kill em much more easily if they were senile, unarmed amputees.

Sarcasm.

Ugh. If you think this is as/more efficient than corner camping, I don't know how you passed third grade thinking skills.

Personally attacking someone.

You're clearly too upset to discuss further.

Projecting your own feelings onto others.

Maturity at its best...

[Infest0125]

DaSciz, I'm pretty sure PSO just beat you.

Also, don't expect to get too much respect here unless you're someone like Dre or Danger.

[KingKon21]

Shit PSO. srsly, need gamertag. Ill pay you.

[EClaris]

you're someone like Dre or Danger.

Or Steve Fucking Cloud


OT: But yes, I think more people should use miniguns because when the whole team works together around them correctly its devastating

[Xsng]

Yes, PSO, because you're so mature, you can pass judgment unto others.

[DaSciz]

DaSciz, I'm pretty sure PSO just beat you.

I'm pretty sure you're willing to blindly cling to and agree with any negative comment directed toward me without thinking it through yourself and evaluating how effective it actually was.

And fuck your respect. I came to this forum to discuss L4D and make the occasional crack now and then. I don't care what you or any of your emotionally charged little buddies who lack self-respect think. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to please anybody. I am here for myself. The only reason I'm posting this right now, and the only reason I've posted anything at all is because I've enjoyed it. If it happens to push a few of your buttons and release all those pent up, sensitive emotions, I don't care.

[PSOLaguna]

Shit PSO. srsly, need gamertag. Ill pay you.


Oh is that what the PM GT AIM thing was? lol I was like...wtf does that mean O_o?... Its PSOLaguna, the one and only. Like most people you can google me, lol.

[KingKon21]

Yes, PSO, because you're so mature, you can pass judgment unto others.
And the battle wages on.

[SlainPwner666]

And fuck your respect. I came to this forum to discuss L4D and make the occasional crack now and then. I don't care what you or any of your emotionally charged little buddies who lack self-respect think. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to please anybody. I am here for myself. The only reason I'm posting this right now, and the only reason I've posted anything at all is because I've enjoyed it. If it happens to push a few of your buttons and release all those pent up, sensitive emotions, I don't care.

God. Wheres Epic Fail guy when you need him?

[Infest0125]

I'm pretty sure you're willing to blindly cling to and agree with any negative comment directed toward me without thinking it through yourself and evaluating how effective it actually was.

.....No I'm pretty sure that PSO actually just won and since you know you can't fight back on that one you just attack me.

God. Wheres Epic Fail guy when you need him?

I actually lol'd.

[KingKon21]

And fuck your respect. I came to this forum to discuss L4D and make the occasional crack now and then. I don't care what you or any of your emotionally charged little buddies who lack self-respect think. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to please anybody. I am here for myself. The only reason I'm posting this right now, and the only reason I've posted anything at all is because I've enjoyed it. If it happens to push a few of your buttons and release all those pent up, sensitive emotions, I don't care.
A bit emotional ouselves, aint we?

[Xsng]

I actually lol'd.

I did not.

Although it may appear that DaSciz is selfish, what he is trying to tell you is that the internet is a form of communication, designed to ease the exchange of ideas. If anyone deserves a fail, it is all of you, for denying an opinion that is different than yours, therefore defeating the purpose of a website such as this.

[KingKon21]

I did not.

Although it may appear that DaSciz is selfish, what he is trying to tell you is that the internet is a form of communication, designed to ease the exchange of ideas. If anyone deserves a fail, it is all of you, for denying an opinion that is different than yours, therefore defeating the purpose of a website such as this.
Yes, Xsng, because you're so mature, you can pass judgment unto others.
:3

[Infest0125]

EDIT: Fuck it.

[EClaris]

Kon you broke the rules,

the game

you lost it

[PSOLaguna]

Yes, PSO, because you're so mature, you can pass judgment unto others.

Hey Im not the one saying I expect &quot;this or that&quot; from anyone maturity wise. I just copied and pasted what you wrote, dont get all bent out of shape when someone catches you stepping in your own BS.

[KingKon21]

the game

you lost it
God damn you clare, i had a freaking record. It was like 5 months, and you pulled this stunt. Imma go cry in the corner with xsng.

[SlainPwner666]

Oh NOEZ. Kon, the thread. You broke it. Its already been two and a half minutes and no one ha responded.

[KingKon21]

IM like the medicne for arguments. Quickly, everyone eat me.

. . . . . EClaris first . . . . . .
<_<
>_>

[Chaos]

DaSciz is obviously too grown-up and mature to give a shit about fun. After all, Left 4 Dead is serious fucking business.

[Xsng]

I don't understand how you all seem to like kon. He never contributes anything positive, and undoubtedly he will say that I'm crying right now lol.

PSO, so what you were doing wasn't a personal attack then? You're not bothered to point out the hypocrisies in the people who's views you agree with....

[SlainPwner666]

Edit: Heres serious cat. This is now serious thread
http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/serious-cat.jpg (http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/serious-cat.jpg)

[KingKon21]

DaSciz is obviously too grown-up and mature to give a shit about fun. After all, Left 4 Dead is serious fucking business.
This thread keeps producing win.

I don't understand how you all seem to like kon
On a serious note, i cant even answer this. Maybe cus im not a constant douche bag. Maybe.

[PSOLaguna]

Women dont like it when you beat around the bush. Just be frank about it.

eat me.

. . . . . EClaris first . . . . . .
<_<
>_>


There ya go, I helped you out.

Left 4 Dead is serious fucking business.

Man, I just watched an episode of 30 Rock, so that just struck with the giggles XD noice!

PSO, so what you were doing wasn't a personal attack then? You're not bothered to point out the hypocrisies in the people who's views you agree with....

I dont see how me repeating what he was saying is an attack, but it was personal. I just thought I was pointing out the obvious.

As for pointing out the other hypocrites. Ill leave that one up to you. Since it was your idea after all. :)

[KingKon21]

Just be frank about it.

Quoting: KingKon21
eat me.

. . . . . EClaris first . . . . . .
<_<
>_>


There ya go, I helped you out.
I love this dude. no homo.

[Infest0125]

I like Kon because hes funny and we've had some awesome games of L4D together.

Also, did you guys really need to revive this?

[Xsng]

Maybe cus im not a constant douche bag

Hahahahahhahahaahh. Wow thanks for making me laugh.

[KingKon21]

Real reasons: I put all my stat points in charisma, so no matter what i say, im loved by somebody.

Also, i only start fights when im right, and only post opinions that are correct :P

Edit:Hahahahahhahahaahh. Wow thanks for making me laugh.
Also, i make everybody laugh. As much as Xsng hates me, he even admits im funny when i try.

[SlainPwner666]

we've had some awesome games of L4D together.

? I thought kon was on 360. We need to get a Group NOT CLAN of 411ers, just so we can play some awesome games. That was Pubs can go suck it, and we CAN PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!!

[Chaos]

Quoting: Chaos
DaSciz is obviously too grown-up and mature to give a shit about fun. After all, Left 4 Dead is serious fucking business.

This thread keeps producing win.

I try.

[Infest0125]

? I thought kon was on 360. We need to get a Group NOT CLAN of 411ers, just so we can play some awesome games. That was Pubs can go suck it, and we CAN PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!!

Kon is.

I'm on both.

And I agree, we need to have one of those games again.

[PSOLaguna]

On a serious note, i cant even answer this. Maybe cus im not a constant douche bag. Maybe.

Yeah the art of douche baggery is a very difficult one to follow. To TRULY master it, one must learn the fine balance of its form and technique. Too much and you fail, and look like an ass...too little and you also fail, and well still look like an ass..

[Xsng]

Kon, you make me sick with the amount of bullshit that you spew.

[PSOLaguna]

You make me sick with the amount of bullshit that you spew.

Knowing that I have the power to make you feel something by merely typing is somewhat satisfying on its own, thanks for the ego boost?

[Poodge]

This place got worst after I left :0

[Infest0125]

Where are mods when needed? This thread needs to be put on lockdown.

[KingKon21]

You see me troll'n, you hatin' ..
Knowing that I have the power to make you feel something by merely typing is somewhat satisfying on its own, thanks for the ego boost?

Dontleave, if thats you, you just gotta tell me. Im still loyal.

[Infest0125]

Don't Leave, if thats you, you just gotta tell me. Im still loyal.

Holy fucking shit, he is like Dontleave....

[KingKon21]

Holy fucking shit, he is like Dontleave....
Thats the best compliment anyone here could ever get.

[PSOLaguna]

Any attention is better than no attention, huh?

[Xsng]

Read again...

[PSOLaguna]

Read again...

Awww...either way, if you let anyone have enough power over you to upset you then youve already lost.

Dontleave, if thats you, you just gotta tell me. Im still loyal.

Whos dontleave??

[Xsng]

Awww...either way, if you let anyone have enough power over you to upset you then youve already lost.

I was using hyperbole.

[PSOLaguna]

Hyperbole

Something to try and live by, lol

The only people that should make you upset are the ones you care about.

[KingKon21]

Kon, you make me sick with the amount of bullshit that you spew.
Knowing that I have the power to make you feel something bad by merely pushing a button is extremely satisfying, thanks man.

Whos dontleave??
Only the single greatest person to grace our forums.
Basiclly the opposite of Xsng. Dont worry Xnsg baby, i still care about you too ;)

[PSOLaguna]

Knowing that I have the power to make you feel something bad by merely pushing a button is extremely satisfying, thanks man.

If hes feeling sick maybe its morning sickness...Did you guys...you know...&quot;bow chicka bow wow..&quot;?

Only the single greatest person to grace our forums.
Basiclly the opposite of Xsng. Dont worry Xnsg baby, i still care about you too ;)

Was his body never found therefor making you doubt his actual death? Meaning, what happened to him, why would he leave such a &quot;glorious&quot; forum?

[DethPenguin]

Its late now, im going to bed. Im guessing people will come out of the wood work for anti-kon and kon-bashing speeches now that i cant properly defend myself. Let the pussies talk, they wont affect me with the push of a plastic key. I've learned not to let what others say keep me down :P

Kon's gay.

[PSOLaguna]

Kon's gay.


Lol is that your way of seeing if hes interested in staring on your yaoi fan fiction with you? Cute!

[DethPenguin]

yaoi

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/baseballgal_2007/Retard.jpg

*Wikiped*

[DaSciz]

Its late now, im going to bed. Im guessing people will come out of the wood work for anti-kon and kon-bashing speeches now that i cant properly defend myself. Let the pussies talk, they wont affect me with the push of a plastic key. I've learned not to let what others say keep me down :P

I've known enough polaroids to know that you all have buttons that are easily pushed. You can hide it from these dipshits who lap up anything you say and appearantly have little life experience, or are just fucking naive. Everyone here seems like an annoying happy-go-lucky high schooler or an oblivious, emotionally sustained attention seeker in constant need of reassurance.

Regardless, kon, you're terrible at hiding your insecurity to someone who is half perceptive. Seeking friendship and attention on an online forum. The people I can stand on this forum that can hold a reasonable discussion don't seem to gravitate to you.

Polaroid.

[PSOLaguna]

these dipshits who lap up anything you say and appearantly have little life experience, or are just fucking naive.

You smooth talker, you. I bet you say that to all the ladies.

an annoying happy-go-lucky high schooler or an oblivious, emotionally sustained attention seeker in constant need of reassurance.


I swear for a second there you were writing an autobiography.

[DethPenguin]

Oh boy howdy.
http://mobocracy.net/media/Yoda-Flame-war-begun.jpg

Isn't this thread about glitches? I didn't read pages 2-6. To contribute to the topic:

Glitches are not good.

[PSOLaguna]

Naw, I wouldnt say its a flame war. He just needs to find an alternative way of releasing his repressed sexual frustration for Kong, that doesnt involve acting like the children he claims others act like.

Glitches are not good.

I concur.

[ynglink]

Quoting: DethPenguin
Glitches are not good.


I concur.

But can be fun :P

[PSOLaguna]

But can be fun :P

When theyre not abused.

[ynglink]

Glitches vary greatly though. One of my favorite glitches (aside from the one we discovered) is the Turret Jump. Why? Well, I like to goof off a lot in game.

On the other side of the spectrum, there's a glitch in Sonic Adventure where you can never beat the game. That's not a fun glitch. (The game locks you in an area you aren't suppose to be and you cannot leave O_O )

[PSOLaguna]

Lame ass glitch on Viking for 360. I was playing on hard and the final boss glitched. She has these walls of fire you need to avoid/use to kill enemies quickly before they ass rape you but she kept spawning people for like literally 10 mins before the animation sequence would start up and she would die...With limited health and her having several phases before I could get back to that part. I wanted to drown kittens if I had died again...

[ynglink]

Glitches are great though. Overall it shows that it isn't perfect. I know, that sounds retarded, but if everything was perfect, it'd be dull and boring. I like finding glitches, even if I'm not the first one to find it. Unless it's game breaking on your side, I usually find glitches a blast to play with.

Examples in L4D: Elevator Shaft, Turret Jumping, Wall Phasing (which is what I deem the &quot;Jumping through walls&quot; glitch!)

As long as you use them within the correct context, they can be awesome :D

[Lawls]

Yet another &quot;player&quot; that thinks spamming melee and hoarding auto shotguns in a corner is a legit &quot;strategy&quot;. Id actually like to see you try and make any significant damage trying to pounce into a corner of 4 peoples melee. The point if, its effective but it takes no skill therefor its a cheap thing to do.


well there's a problem here the people you are arguing with are talking about it as if it was a real life scenario and what they would do but you are talking about it as just a game and how this is taking from the experience. Until you can talk about one or the latter then this argument will just loop.

[ynglink]

well there's a problem here the people you are arguing with are talking about it as if it was a real life scenario and what they would do but you are talking about it as just a game and how this is taking from the experience. Until you can talk about one or the latter then this argument will just loop.

But you can't sit in each other in a real life scenario.

BACK ON TOPIC!

Umm....falling through graphics sucks

*shifts eyes*

[DethPenguin]

But you can't sit in each other in a real life scenario.

And you would double over in pain because you just went deaf.
And a straw bullet from an auto-shotty would kill you.

I can't remember the last time I used a glitch. It just seems boring. It's like cheating to get infinite ammo and a rocket launcher in GTA or something. Sure it's fun for a while, but where's the challenge/fun?

[Lawls]

But you can't sit in each other in a real life scenario.

you could still be like unbelievable close to each other though however the becoming one thing will be fixed most likely soon but people will still just crouch next to each other

[PSOLaguna]

well there's a problem here the people you are arguing with are talking about it as if it was a real life scenario and what they would do but you are talking about it as just a game and how this is taking from the experience. Until you can talk about one or the latter then this argument will just loop.

Yeah, Im not sure what the point of arguing what you would do in an actual end of the world zombie scenario...Im strictly speaking about the game and how the devs didnt want people to move each other and use that as a way to grieve others. Now theres people saying hows its such a skillful thing to do and blah blah blah...w/e

real[/i]..I mean expert mode. ;)

<div class="quote"><div class="quoting">Quoting: Lawls;]you could still be like unbelievable close to each other though however the becoming one thing will be fixed most likely soon but people will still just crouch next to each other


Still the added space may give the infected a few extra seconds to deal some more damage before they get the melee spam...

[ynglink]

That's still better though. Look at the smoker's current dilemma: They're all in one corner, inside each other, and you TRY to pull them. Not going to work. So you just sit, and stare.

This glitch doesn't really make the game fun for anybody. Well, unless you're one of those kids who yells every 5 minutes on Halo or CoD. Now the elevator, so great to do against people who are killjoys...

[Steve Cloud]

It's off-topic, flame-war bullshit like this:

Hannibal Lecture

that makes this thread beyond redemption.

And pathetic.