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Hauger

08-15-2007, 10:58 AM

It's going to be released in some days here in Norway. Just pre ordered it. And it's going to be running on these specs:
Specs:
- Asus p5n32-E Sli Nforce 680i sli S77. Atx Sata 2x gbLan ddr2, 3xpcle
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz Socket 4MB, BOXED m/vifte
- XFX GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB PCIe Ultra,TV-out,GDDR3,HDCP-ready
- OCZ GameXStream strømforsyning 850 20/24pin ATX/SLI/SATA m/120mm Vifte
- Seagate 500GB S-ATA II NCQ 7200RP ST3500630AS Barracuda 7200.10 16M
- Optiarc / NEC DVD-brenner AD-7170S SATA,DVD±RW (±R DL)/DVD-RAM-sta
- Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer Retail PCI
- Lian Li Miditower, Aluminium, Sort PC7BSCANDV3 u/powersupply
- OCZ DDR2 2048MB Gold GX XTC Dual PC2-6400 2x1024MB 800MHz.

dontleave

08-15-2007, 11:37 AM

Uuuh... I don't think you quite understand the purpose of a demo.It's going to be released in some days here in Norway. Just pre ordered it.

MacManInfi

08-15-2007, 11:48 AM

Played through a lot of the 360 demo last night, but will wait to play the rest on my PC. I feel so restricted playing FPS's with thumb control joysticks. :P

Anyhow, as far as the game goes, I love the story elements. Love the environments and atmosphere. I really like that you have traditional weapons in one hand, and crazy magic like stuff on the other. Love the tape recorders left behind that you could listen to while still going through the level (nothing new I know, but I still love it)

So far so good, but I tell you what I miss, compared to System Shock 2. I miss the rpg elements. No inventory. You can't pick up a candy bar and keep it for later. You have to either eat it now, or leave it, which sucks. Did they choose not to have an inventory for the sake of it being on a console? Your character doesn't have stats, can't build experience, etc. I really loved that about SS2 and really expected to see it here too.

But expectations aside, I think it'll still be a great FPS. Placed my pre-order today.

Punisher 36O

08-15-2007, 01:25 PM

the Demo rules, any FPS fan will love it, best Graphics on the 360 so far! and in the UK its out on the 24th

Deadly

08-15-2007, 01:54 PM

the Demo rules, any FPS fan will love it, best Graphics on the 360 so far! and in the UK its out on the 24th

i am an fps fan and i thought it was terrible. i had high expectations and i just cant finish the demo, thats how bad it is, i dont even wanna finish a free game!

but stranglehold demo i cant stop playing

Lolerskates

08-15-2007, 02:07 PM

Stranglehold is a pretty boring game imo. Nothing I haven't got bored with before.

Deek

08-15-2007, 04:23 PM

I just reserved my PC demo download on Fileplanet, so it can't be too far off ...

darksora2323

08-16-2007, 04:31 AM

LOL this guy got the game a week early
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/9539 4.html?playlist=featured (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/95394.html?playlist=featured)

Stupoider

08-16-2007, 11:35 AM

Bioshock is up for pre-purchase on Steam.

Deadly

08-16-2007, 02:25 PM

LOL this guy got the game a week early
someone did the same thing with the game The Darkness, and put up the first 25 min of it

except they didnt buy the game

FadedEchos

08-17-2007, 03:40 AM

Don't know if you guys are aware of this, but Bioshock is a much deeper game than you can tell from the demo. The demo is more of a graphics/atmosphere teaser with the slightest taste of the combat engine thrown in. I'd suggest checking out the IGN review (Since it's the only one out there right now, I think) because they go into pretty good detail about the things you don't get to play.

Ign review (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/813/813214p1.html)

Glad to say I've already pre ordered the special edition. CMON TUESDAY ARRRG!

Also, if you've got the time, it's worth looking up System Shock 2 and ' aquiring it ' somehow, because that's still an incredibly awesome game and will scare the shit out of you even now. Having played that, I would walk into any store and buy its "Spiritual Successor" simply on faith.

Asura

08-17-2007, 05:33 AM

Dont know, dont run on my PC so dont wanna try it :P

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 08:56 AM

i am an fps fan and i thought it was terrible. i had high expectations and i just cant finish the demo, thats how bad it is, i dont even wanna finish a free game!

but stranglehold demo i cant stop playing

that is a pretty stupid thing to say. . .you didnt like a first person shooter with a great phisics engine and some of the best graphics there is and you liked Stanglehold that has the graphics of a Ps2 game and has bullet time? thats a Third person shooter so i put it to you that your infact a 3rd person shooter fan. . . .

darksora2323

08-17-2007, 09:07 AM

Stanglehold that has the graphics of a Ps2 game and has bullet time? thats a Third person shooter so i put it to you that your infact a 3rd person shooter fan. . . .

thats tottaly not true, its graphics are far past ps2 and has better graphics than some ps3 games out right now. The only thing I dont like about it is how the shooting is.

gorgoth

08-17-2007, 09:13 AM

Eh, BioShock. From what I've seen, a great graphics FPS that I will admit seems to need a different combat...not style, but it feels there is something missing. I don't know, I suppose I will rent it after it's been out a while and if it's amazing, I'll buy it. Too bad my PC isn't good enough to play it. I built my computer right before all the DX 10 hype came out. Ram prices dropped right after I built it too lol.

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 10:15 AM

Stranglehold sets games back a long way, i thought we were past this shit type of gameplay where you walk into a room and wait for enemys to run in shoot them and move on. . . . wtf ppl? Bioshock is truly original and unike. . i hope you at least apresiate that, the story is awesome, even if its not your cup of tea its clearly griping and exiting and FREE ROMEING, the shooting is awesome, and like i have said manny times the graphics are really great.

even if you hate Bioshock and Love stranglehold. . . dont even think about compairing them, because 1 is a FPS that has been very well pollished and worked on for years and some real next gen graphics..

and the other is a 3rd person max payne ripp off and lets face it ppl, max payne wasnt that good ether.

dontleave

08-17-2007, 10:46 AM

MacManInfi

08-17-2007, 10:49 AM

As soon as I saw that it was available on steam, I canceled my on-line pre-order and purchased through Steam. Preloaded overnight last night. I'm ready to rumble! Can't wait!

Lolerskates

08-17-2007, 11:17 AM

You're joking right? Max Payne was amazing... and BioShock isn't revolutionary either... Hmm, let's give the player a city, a couple of abilties, and something to do... WAZAAAAA

That was really dumb, because you're basically arguing that "it would be original if it had more abilities(70 different plasmids, by the way), the play had nothing to do, and didn't take place in a city".

Max Payne was alright, on a first time through, without playing other games like it. It gets so old after the 25000th time LOLEPICDIVINGSLOWMOTION and shooting someone.

Stupoider

08-17-2007, 11:19 AM

That was really dumb, because you're basically arguing that "it would be original if it had more abilities(70 different plasmids, by the way), the play had nothing to do, and didn't take place in a city".

Agreed. I do believe they put a lot more thought into this than most games developers do.
Irrational Games made System Shock 2, so I'm sure this game won't fail to please.

dontleave

08-17-2007, 11:25 AM

That was really dumb, because you're basically arguing that "it would be original if it had more abilities(70 different plasmids, by the way), the play had nothing to do, and didn't take place in a city".

That was really dumb, I don't see where I questioned its originality in that phrase.

And atleast you played it the 25000 times, pretty much means it works. For the state of games back then, MP was amazing... For the state of games now, BioShock isn't... in the interviews they pretty much said plasmids are just spells, except BioShock-ified. And since Oblivion has more, than the whole 70+ Plasmids trump doesn't really work quite well.

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 12:29 PM

You're joking right? Max Payne was amazing... and BioShock isn't revolutionary either... Hmm, let's give the player a city, a couple of abilties, and something to do... WAZAAAAA

You probably dont know much about Stranglehold.. Anyway... BioShock. Isn't. That. Great.

I'd probably be on the same page if they kept it the same as it was back in developement, same thing happened to STALKER, it was awesome in developement, but then by release it wasnt all it was chalked up to be.

You pretty much just said that every FPS is 'shit type' gameplay.. seriously, I dont throw the term around as much as some people do... but fanboy much?

It's quite ignorant to judge a game by screenshots alone, by now you'd assume MOST educated people would realize that MANY games look better in motion than they do in screenshots, Stranglehold appears to be one of those games, it looks horrendous in screenshots but all gameplay videos look awesome, except for the main character himself, who seems to have had a bad experience in a tanning booth.

I dont think the UE3 engine is capable of dishing out 'PS2/shit graphics'... literally, if you tried to make a game with worse graphics the engine would explode.

sigh, maybe all the games you play have the type off game play where you stand in the middle of a room and watch enemys spawn, but i think you will find that good FPS games dont have that problem!

Bioshock is carefull gameplay and takes skill

Stanglehold is take as manny bullets as you want mindless shoot everything type game.

and i do kno quite a bit about both actualy, and im not a fan boy i have recently played the demo of both and am quite shocked someone is stupid enough to even compare them, let alone pick that over a genuinly great game

dontleave

08-17-2007, 12:32 PM

wow you have no clue what stranglehold is.

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 12:34 PM

yeah i really do mate

shit!

the Bullet time, the run down rails, the shoot stuff over ppls head, the jump on the cart,
the shoot a bullet and follow it untill it hits someone. . . . . that all gets old after you do it twice!

and the gamepley is exactly as i described it, the first squre you go in, about 7 guys run out of random holes in the wall. . . and when u have killed them. . . another lot comes out. . . and then you run up a rail, round a corner and do it again. . .

yeah, cant wait for that bundel of joy

i would very much like everyone to kno what Bioshock is about. . . this is a few quotes from the end of the demo. . . .

over 70 powers and body changing tonics

no experiecnce will play the same

no two gamers will EVER play the same

use more than guns to conqure the game, the environmet, foes, the elements

dontleave

08-17-2007, 12:55 PM

no experiecnce will play the same

no two gamers will EVER play the same

Gee... NO SHIT. It's impossible to get two wholly independant gamers to play the same, even if its freakin' tetris...

use more than guns to conqure the game, the environmet, foes, the elements

Been done. As for the Plasmids and shit... Thats nothing special... Bethesda called, they want their game back.

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 01:05 PM

lol, i think they mean no 2 players will ever finish the same room in the same way,

let me spel it out for ya, u and who ever else gets Stranglehold will do all the rooms in the exact same way. . . becasue everything is set out for you to do so, the enemys stand just under the stuff that can fall and theres only a few interactable objects. . .

bioshock is one of the few games that will adapt to the player, i will do it totaly diff to somone else because there is nothing but choices, its not a straight line of a game. the AI in bioshock is freakin awesome, they interact with everything, just as you can. if that doesnt apeal to you i wouldnt even concider you to be a gamer. the AI in Stranglehold is as simple as. . . "see. . run. . shoot.

next you will be telling me you think Crysis and L4D will be shit?

A DUCK

08-17-2007, 01:10 PM

Alright Dontleave and Punisher 360, i know how you guys can agree on which game is better. You make StrangleShock. O_o NOW CMON THIS THREAD ISNT NAMED STRANGLE HOLD OR MAXPAYNE, TALK ABOUT BIOSHOCK IF YOU LIKE IT OR DONT TALK IF YOU ARE GOING TO START A FLAMEWAR ABOUT IT :P. lol.

dontleave

08-17-2007, 01:14 PM

Crysis is all pretty graphics, next thing you'll tell me is thats "Revolutionary" also...

Stranglehold is an ACTION game... so pretty much you're reinforcing the fact that it makes good on its genre.

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 01:17 PM

A DUCK

08-17-2007, 01:23 PM

Well from the videos, it doesnt look that fun to me. But when i get a better computer im going to try the demo out ;).

gorgoth

08-17-2007, 01:24 PM

Bethesda called, they want their game back.
So true. I'm sure this game will be fun. As for the whole Stranglehold vs. BioShock, it depends on a couple things.

1. What type of gameplay you like
and
2. How much you want to spend.

Lets face it, BioShock has really good graphics, so yer shelling out $300+ for the 360 or more for a new computer. Frankly, after playing Oblivion, and knowing 2K was involved in both, every time I hear BioShock, all I hear is someone screaming the words "Oblivion". I will not enjoy BioShock as much as I did Oblivion, because I like the RPG Oblivion more than the half FPS BioShock. BioShock feels like it is trying to be an FPS but it seems like by trying to do the whole plasmid thing they diverged too much from the FPS genre. Still, the whole plasmid thing screams Oblivion, and for a game claiming to be incredibly fresh and original, that's a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, it looks fun, and if I buy it I know I'll love it. But I just disagree with all of your points Punisher, and agree with all of don'ts. Who knows, as people have said, the demo is a demo, not the game, and we can't be sure how this will play out until someone beats it. Ah, StrangleShock, or maybe BioHold. Or that could be the sequel. But BioShock=Oblivion ? Maybe, maybe not.

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 01:28 PM

bioshock accross the internet is recieving higher scores than any game ever

:D

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?i d=170315&skip=yes (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=170315&skip=yes)

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 01:30 PM

Lets face it, BioShock has really good graphics, so yer shelling out $300+ for the 360 or more for a new computer. Frankly, after playing Oblivion, and knowing 2K was involved in both, every time I hear BioShock, all I hear is someone screaming the words "Oblivion". I will not enjoy BioShock as much as I did Oblivion, because I like the RPG Oblivion more than the half FPS BioShock. BioShock feels like it is trying to be an FPS but it seems like by trying to do the whole plasmid thing they diverged too much from the FPS genre. Still, the whole plasmid thing screams Oblivion, and for a game claiming to be incredibly fresh and original, that's a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, it looks fun, and if I buy it I know I'll love it. But I just disagree with all of your points Punisher, and agree with all of don'ts. Who knows, as people have said, the demo is a demo, not the game, and we can't be sure how this will play out until someone beats it. Ah, StrangleShock, or maybe BioHold. Or that could be the sequel. But BioShock=Oblivion ? Maybe, maybe not.

dude :D nice post, have you seen the newest project from the makers of Oblivion?
i have to say its looks awesome for fans of Oblivion. . . . cant recall its name tho. . .

gorgoth

08-17-2007, 01:34 PM

I try to put thought and reason into my post so I can actually convince people to believe me instead of flaming :) Don't remember name? And made by Bethesda or 2k?

EDIT: Was it Fallout 3?

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 01:51 PM

yeah, Fallout 3. . . . after a nuke war n stuff sounds cool,

gorgoth

08-17-2007, 01:54 PM

Yeah, it sounds across between an FPS and an RPG, it certainly looks interesting. But back to BioShock!

dontleave

08-17-2007, 01:58 PM

Bullshit... reviews are in general.. and didnt a while ago a game recieved mostly 90s already...

Not to sound desperate in putting down the game, but the source probably went to like 4 small time sites and got their numbers.

Fallout is an AMAZING franchise... holy crap. So... good. Can't... wait... FO...3...Wonder...if...computer...will...kerplode. ..but...its...high...end...and...played..oblivion. ..same...engine...right?

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 01:58 PM

u said the plasmid thing pulls Bioshock away a little from the FPS style, but i dont see it that way, because you do shoot most of the plasmids, would you think it had more of an FPS feel if you had a flame thrower, or ice gun, kno what i mean?

Hauger

08-17-2007, 02:49 PM

The game Will be released here in Norway the 24th of August 2007. Anyone who says otherwise is retarded.

Stupoider

08-17-2007, 02:50 PM

Bullshit... reviews are in general.. and didnt a while ago a game recieved mostly 90s already...

Not to sound desperate in putting down the game, but the source probably went to like 4 small time sites and got their numbers.

No, your bullshit :D PC Gamer gave it a good review and rating.
PC GAMER. They know their games. Heres a bit of the review.

This is the really bewildering thing about it: it succeeds so stunningly on three different fronts. Not esoteric ones, either, these are the big challenges developers have been struggling to master for decades: narrative, emergence, a sense of place. If another game did just one of these as well as BioShock, it would immediately qualify as a classic. When a game comes along that does all three, we can only be baffled and thankful.

I spend my career, and my gaming life, waiting for a moment when a game just astonishes me, when I can't believe what I'm seeing, what I'm doing. BioShock has five.

Sounds like a good game to me.

Stupoider

08-17-2007, 02:51 PM

The game Will be released here 28th of September 2007. Anyone who says otherwise ir retarded.

Steam says you can pre-purchase for when it comes out on August 24th.

Steam isn't retarded.

dontleave

08-17-2007, 02:56 PM

Mmmmm yes... big words definately belong in a game review. Reviewer is OBVIOUSLY a fanboy, or paid to say that. LAWL

<--- subscribed to PC gamer, would know

Steam is pretty retarded.

Hauger

08-17-2007, 03:02 PM

Steam says you can pre-purchase for when it comes out on August 24th.

Steam isn't retarded.
Sorry, typo, I did mean August. Mixed up month with etqw release. :P

Stupoider

08-17-2007, 03:57 PM

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?i d=169983&site=pcg (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=169983&site=pcg)

Read the final 2 paragraphs.

Stupoider

08-17-2007, 04:03 PM

Steam is pretty retarded.

So I take it you'll be going out to buy Left 4 Dead instead of pre-purchasing on Steam? :P

Punisher 36O

08-17-2007, 04:13 PM

Its out on the 24th in england too

frogopus

08-17-2007, 04:40 PM

Bioshock = Oblivion? Hot damn?

A new world to explore? To hell with new features, give me a new story.

gorgoth

08-17-2007, 04:59 PM

gorgoth

08-17-2007, 05:03 PM

Lol Frog. You know what I mean. Whoever said something bad about PC Gamer is wrong. Best reviewers on the web. Only ones I trust too. And Punisher, about the plasmids not feeling FPS-ey, it's just that after playing Oblivion (Which is better than StrangleShock :D) I just get the RPG feel, and not that that's bad, it's just that it's hard to pull off an FPS that dabbles in the RPG, but if done well (Oblivion, Hellgate London), it can be great. I just hope BioShock gets it right, because it can be done badly too. And yes, I would like an ice gun. :D

A DUCK

08-17-2007, 05:24 PM

StrangleShock

My invention will live on :D.

dontleave

08-17-2007, 06:40 PM

So I take it you'll be going out to buy Left 4 Dead instead of pre-purchasing on Steam? :P

Yeah, I probably will... I don't see how STEAM being retarded has anything to do with my method of purchase... but whatever...

And yet... all reviews these days are opinionated, and that last paragraph isn't something to prove me wrong.. I remember the good ol' days when they rated games based off quality, and not whether you like it or not... the guy can't even spell 'installments' correctly... don't tell me thats some UK thing, I've had enough with that 'tyre' bullshit.

Funny someone mentioned the gunplay earlier in this thread, I just tried the demo and I found it to be the absolute WEAKEST part of the game so far... It will probably get better when you can customize your weapons and shit, but the Tommy-gun-esque weapon is damn annoying... It 'feels' really off..

You can't buy a brand new computer for $300 dollars, im thinking you're missing another zero there...

Etheallmighty

08-17-2007, 07:35 PM

i don't care what u guys have said, but i've played the demo a few times now and still love it, so :P in your face. tuesday couldn't come any sooner.

Etheallmighty

08-17-2007, 07:37 PM

....this game is just like one of those movies that comes out every once in a while....you'll either absolutely love it, or hate it for some reason.....

bub

08-18-2007, 01:17 AM

I think the bioshock stranglehold debate is basically mindless awesome guns vs creativity and atmosphere. I played both demos and liked both of them, but for me bioshock is a godsend. I really like creativity in my games and am also a huge fps fan. This is very hard for me to find. I loved hl2 but since then there haven't been that many creative fps's. Don't get me wrong shooting a guy in the balls in slow motion in stranglehold is way more fun then shooting a guy in bioshock but bioshock provides way more choices and forces you to think about how you are going to tackle any situation. I generally stop playing games once I've mastered them, not bothering with the second half of the game, but i don't think i'll ever be able to master all the different gameplay aspects of bioshock. However when I'm tired and just want to shoot things stranglehold is perfect.

Eddy_of_the_dead

08-18-2007, 02:22 AM

yeah the game is cool
those dna shots and stuff are the head of the game the rest ....meh..sort of walking behindt :D
they put so much efort in perfecting the custom weapons and powers that only cool fights are ....the big daddy's!!!! freeze em, shot em, dead :D

Crzy8s

08-18-2007, 02:59 AM

I found out about Bioshock the same day I found out about l4d a long time ago, but I followed Bioshock closer because they released all this awesome stuff and gameplay footage while l4d just had that one teaser trailer. So I followed Bioshock and I have to admit I was getting pretty excited, and then l4d exploded and so now I have refocused my gaze.

But Bioshock is going to revolutionize and rejuvinate the FPS realm, because when people see the depth and story line for themselves, they are going to wonder why their favorite games did not contain this and will expect it in the future. So in short Bioshock is going to make other game companies spend a few more sleepless nights trying to get somewhere remotly close to Bioshock.

Stupoider

08-18-2007, 03:28 AM

Bioshock is going to make other game companies spend a few more sleepless nights trying to get somewhere remotly close to Bioshock.

And that's how Irrational Games works ^^ Just like System Shock 2.

gorgoth

08-18-2007, 04:37 AM

You can't buy a brand new computer for $300 dollars
AMD 3500+
ATI Radeon X1300 Pro
1 GB RAM
Awesome Case
17" Dell Monitor
Dell Keyboard
Logitech Gaming Mouse
130 GB Hardrive
Building your own computer costs a helluva lot less, $300 for all the above.

Stupoider

08-18-2007, 05:33 AM

gorgoth

08-18-2007, 05:35 AM

Yes. I have a bunch more $ now though so I'm thinking I want another GB of RAM, a new ahrd drive, and most importantly, a legal copy of Vista. And maybe Norton too.

dontleave

08-18-2007, 06:07 AM

...>.< There's nothing revolutionary about BioShock, you guys can't just throw the term around like that.

Rofl, theres an add at the bottom of my screen right now that says "Plasmid DNA Kits Canada"

A DUCK

08-18-2007, 06:10 AM

Rofl, theres an add at the bottom of my screen right now that says "Plasmid DNA Kits Canada"

Lol bottom of my screen has adds about stun guns, one is the shape of a pen..? lawl

Plankie

08-18-2007, 06:57 AM

that is a pretty stupid thing to say. . .you didnt like a first person shooter with a great phisics engine and some of the best graphics there is and you liked Stanglehold that has the graphics of a Ps2 game and has bullet time?

thats tottaly not true, its graphics are far past ps2 and has better graphics than some ps3 games out right now. The only thing I dont like about it is how the shooting is.

nd like i have said manny times the graphics are really great.

Even the most beautiful girl can be a bitch.
Graphics != Gameplay.

Stupoider

08-18-2007, 07:04 AM

Graphics != Gameplay.

And Bioshock has both :D Good times!

lilsamuraijoe

08-18-2007, 07:17 AM

Why are we comparing two completely different games when we haven't even played the full game of either? I played both demos and loved them. Stranglehold does not have PS2 graphics and is not a rip off of Max Payne, its about twice as much intense and 4 times as much cooler. Max Payne itself was influenced by John Woo's movies. And Bioshock is a master piece. It has an intricate story, one that I'm eager to continue.

Etheallmighty

08-18-2007, 10:07 AM

yeah i've played both also and stranglehold is like a wii game IMO.....u don't really need/care for a story line or graphics, it's just balls out fun. anyone can pick it up and play it and have some fun. But bioshock is fun plus the some of the best situations/graphics/environments ever in a game....plus the guy that talks to you on the radio has a cool accent like the guy from lost.....I just love the environment with the 50's advertising posters everywhere, etc. like this... http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/04/steinman.jpg (http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/04/steinman.jpg)
my grandparents are HUGE antique collectors so they have tons of posters and things like this. cracks me up too.

lol btw I wanted to play the bioshock demo on hard yesterday, so I went to settings and put the default at hard, but when i went into the game I forgot that if u went off of it then u couldn't go back, and I couldn't help but hold the stick down to hear the piano noises :)

dontleave

08-18-2007, 10:39 AM

Who Atlas? His little picture looks really weird... weird shaped head... It's also kinda weird that he just happened to leave a picture of himself on the radio thing, and I guess everyone else that uses that radio in the game.

I played through a bit of the demo, then I had to go eat. The beginning is weird, it's nice but weird... when he's trapped in the circle of fire, I was just like... SWIM UNDER NOOB. And then during the bridge/tubey thing where half the plane crashes through, me n' my friend were like HOLY FUCK RUN YOUR GONNA DROWN BITCH.

Also, anothing thing with the beginning... Giant squid and whales are ftw.

Lolerskates

08-18-2007, 12:33 PM

That was really dumb, I don't see where I questioned its originality in that phrase.

And atleast you played it the 25000 times, pretty much means it works. For the state of games back then, MP was amazing... For the state of games now, BioShock isn't... in the interviews they pretty much said plasmids are just spells, except BioShock-ified. And since Oblivion has more, than the whole 70+ Plasmids trump doesn't really work quite well.

Again, dumb comparison. Totally different games and genres.

Besides, being innovative/revolutionary is overrated. See:wii

Punisher 36O

08-18-2007, 01:09 PM

i kno alot of ppl here wont really agree with this coz its kinda differant to most shooters, but because of so manny 10/10 reviews BioShock is a contender for the greatest game in the world. . . and thats not me just saying it, its actualy an exsisting contest, held at the moment by The Legend of Zelda Ocorina of Time. and i kno alot of you wouldnt consider that to be your #1 game of all time but it has had the top spot for a long time, maybe this will get close or even beat it.

dontleave

08-18-2007, 01:17 PM

Probably not. This isn't the first game thats come out with all these 10/10's... A long ass time ago, just for the sake of doing so I did some quick googling on the game that was best rated, and one of them im not sure what it was anymore (im thinking one of the MG games though, donno just pops up first in my head) got 10/10 from so many reviewers, and I had never even heard of it before that time. Not saying that'll happen to BioShock, but there are so many more factors than the ratings alone... Especially against a bigass name like Zela.

Again, dumb comparison. Totally different games and genres.

With how the gameplay is, not really. And no... not again. I don't see how quantity is a dumb comparison, even when I didn't bring it up in the first place.

Punisher 36O

08-18-2007, 01:30 PM

im not saying it will get the title, i said all the great reviews makes it a contender

i do however hope the game developers get rewarded for coming up with a truly original and epic peace of art, as i feel the same about L4D, they should be praised for trying somthing new, and finaly making a game dependant on coop, they should all get a nobel prize

Plankie

08-18-2007, 02:18 PM

I was interested in this game. Until I saw videos of it. Didn't seem to be that much fun. Might be original and everything, but it seemed to lack gameplay. I like it how he froze somebody jumping, and he stayed in the air.

dontleave

08-18-2007, 02:54 PM

Yeah.. that was fucked up... then i dismissed it to that there must've been some ice holding him up...

Etheallmighty

08-18-2007, 05:13 PM

yeah just watching videos of it makes it seem not fun, until YOU ACTUALLY PLAY and stuff is happening all around you(environment)......and yeah

A DUCK

08-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Is there a PC demo of it out yet?

Xerosnake90

08-18-2007, 06:28 PM

Not impressed, I DLed when first available all excited and shit, man was I dissapointed. Didn't seem different from any other shooters, pretty shitty but oh well.

A DUCK

08-18-2007, 06:46 PM

Lol Xerosnake didnt you say you were done with these forums because everyone were sissy fanboys or something?

Is there a PC demo of it out yet?

Xerosnake90

08-18-2007, 06:58 PM

Lol Xerosnake didnt you say you were done with these forums because everyone were sissy fanboys or something?

Did indeed, and am staying away from most of the 'pc fanboys'. Thus I post in a 360 related topic, such as this one, cuz there is no pc demo =]

A DUCK

08-18-2007, 06:59 PM

Ah i see. :)

dontleave

08-18-2007, 07:16 PM

Yes there is... its just running a bit late.

Xerosnake90

08-18-2007, 07:39 PM

Yes there is... its just running a bit late.

You are right, but the topic is about "Have you PLAYED the demo?", and right now one is only available on the 360 *nod nod*

tp500

08-19-2007, 03:14 AM

Stranglehold, on the other hand...
Stranglehold was a terrible demo lol I played it on my 360. Well, I take that back, it wasn't terrible, it was just so painfully mediocre. There's nothing I haven't seen before ya know? The diving and the slow-mo. taking cover. even the shootouts I have seen in other games. It reminded me a little too much of Dead to Rights with Chow Yun Fat lol.

tp500

08-19-2007, 03:21 AM

And now that I've had a chance to read the whole forum, I think you guys who are saying it's dull and boring are just wanting to be a little opposing lol. I played this demo on my 360 and thought it was a really fun game. The story is very well done, and the environment speaks for itself. They've really created a world that seems alive and you can, pardon the fuckin pun, drown yourself in. I've played this demo 4 or 5 times and im still finding new things to do. DONT BE HATIN!

TheBump

08-19-2007, 04:43 AM

You are right, but the topic is about "Have you PLAYED the demo?", and right now one is only available on the 360 *nod nod*

Chances are that we will have a cracked full version of Bioshock very shortly.
For the PC ofc.
The console kiddies will have to do with the demo in the meantime *nod* *nod* :D

Etheallmighty

08-19-2007, 06:22 AM

The console kiddies will have to do with the demo in the meantime

...for about 2 days

dontleave

08-19-2007, 06:23 AM

Hmm, same engine as Oblivion dont? I doubt it, and hell, my brand new gaming computer (Cost $300) Can't run it on high, but I figure it could if I got 2gb of RAM instead of 1. I hope my computer can run it, but the way I see it, now that I am getting a 360, I can have the best of both worlds!

Just read up a bit, it's on a modified UE3, so is Stranglehold, or perhaps that runs on stock engine. Anyway, pretty much they have the same graphical quality.

Also, Stranglehold vs. BioShock stuff came into play until some dude said so. One guy was just saying he wanted Strangehold and suddenly another guy disses pretty much every action FPS ever created. And pretty much the engine which runs, UT3, Stanglehold, Gears of War, Area 51 AND BioShock.

Still holding out for Monday, when the thingum should be released.

I was just reading the IGN Review like someone recommended, and wait.. whats this?

If you're debating which version to get, the PC version handles better. In part it's because of the greater precision with the mouse and keyboard, but also with how the plasmids and weapons are selected. With the default settings RMB switches between the two, LMB fires, and we preferred the mouse wheel to an the Xbox 360 version's bumper clicks for quickly cycling through. By hitting Shift you can bring up a plasmid and weapon selection screen if you so desire, but the mouse wheel scrolled through fast enough to stay useful. Note that you can't set LMB to fire a weapon and RMB to fire a plasmid; there's only one fire function. We also noticed the option to bind the functions "switch and fire weapon" and "switch and fire plasmid," but when we tested it out these only switched from weapon to plasmid and back again, much like the RMB default function. All weapons and plasmids are also bound to the number and function keys, making it even easier to ensure you always have the ideal attack at the ready.

To be honest, I was looking for technical specifcations... just to see how well the game handles, but I don't think that kind of information has ever been on IGN. And I don't think Gamespot has their reviews up :(

SystemShock 3 and Fallout 3 are underway :)

Etheallmighty

08-19-2007, 07:21 AM

for all u naysayers out there (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/813/813214p1.html)

video review from IGN....

edit: BTW what's with the random pc vs. 360 thing coming into this. we were talking about either liking bioshock or not (and somehow stranglehold too?)

Deek

08-19-2007, 09:32 AM

BTW what's with the random pc vs. 360 thing coming into this.
... 'cause Xerosnake90 showed up? ;)

Shit always gets segregated when he's around.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 09:40 AM

Random? It's more relevant to the topic than what you just said... people have already expressed their opinions or not, shifting the view of 'naysayers' is pointless.

Review has already been linkedz0rz

Kjeldoran

08-19-2007, 10:26 AM

PC DEMO COMING TO YOU ON MONDAY 7PM EST

URL (http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/home.html)

countercrack

08-19-2007, 11:34 AM

BTW what's with the random pc vs. 360 thing coming into this.

... 'cause Xerosnake90 showed up? ;)

Shit always gets segregated when he's around.

lol soooo true...

and to the guy earlier, i doubt any game will beat Zelda OoT as the greatest game ever any time soon.

Lolerskates

08-19-2007, 12:23 PM

With how the gameplay is, not really. And no... not again. I don't see how quantity is a dumb comparison, even when I didn't bring it up in the first place.

You could just admit it was a dumb comparison.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 12:31 PM

You could just get your head out of your ass and admit it wasn't.

Deek

08-19-2007, 12:35 PM

More importantly, my FilePlanet Bioshock PC demo reserve started downloading just over an hour ago ...

dontleave

08-19-2007, 12:37 PM

Are you a subscriber?

bub

08-19-2007, 01:46 PM

Not impressed, I DLed when first available all excited and shit, man was I dissapointed. Didn't seem different from any other shooters, pretty shitty but oh well.

This happened to me too. Then I decided to play it again as intelligently as possible. And it was amazing. I hacked the camera and it sent bots against my enemies, i never fired a gun, only using plasmids, i hacked a turret the took some things out for me set things on fire and then electrocuted them when they ran to water. It was awesome. This game is not meant to be played stupidly like stranglehold is. If you play it right bioshock is fifty times better. Unless you don't want to have to think in your videogames. If so then you should not say that bioshock sucks only that you're either not smart enough or too lazy to play it.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 06:15 PM

Rofl... You'd probably, after weeks of BioShock get creamed by the average noob in Stranglehold. Neither game is played stupidly, people play it to their liking, if they don't have fun thats the games fault, unless of course you're playing say Quake Arena with foot pedals and a steering wheel. There is no such thing as playing it 'right' thats just a load of bullshit...

BioShock doesn't require intelligence or skill, it'd be sad if it require effort.

Deek

08-19-2007, 06:20 PM

Are you a subscriber?
Yup.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 06:23 PM

Fuck.

Stupoider

08-19-2007, 06:32 PM

PC DEMO FOR BIOSHOCK TO BE RELEASED THIS EVENING AT 7PM EST!

A MESSAGE FROM KEN
August 19, 2007
Ken Levine posted this to the 2K forums. I found his words wise, and decided to repost for you all:

If you're going to buy the game this week, I highly recommend you stay away from any forums that might have spoilers until you play the game through. Our goal in making the game was to thrill and, often, surprise you.

Please don't ruin other people's experience by revealing secrets in unmarked threads, and if you want to enjoy the game to its fullest, stay away from any threads that might ruin the fun for you. With a game like BioShock, it will really make a difference.

Best,
Ken

It is now August 20th. This is the day guys :D

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-19-2007, 07:00 PM

PC DEMO TONIGHT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA <('.'<) XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

can you tell I'm ExcITeD? HUh?

btw, Bioshock is awesome.

Stupoider

08-19-2007, 07:08 PM

Bioshock is awesome.

Quote for truth.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 07:24 PM

It is now August 20th. This is the day guys :D

No its not.

Btw, I lol'd the first time I saw that quote.

Xerosnake90

08-19-2007, 07:26 PM

Wow, I'm so controversial all I have to do is give my opinion on a game and a giant war breaks out amongst you all. Lmao

Etheallmighty

08-19-2007, 07:30 PM

Quote for truth.
No its not.

that's just cold

dontleave

08-19-2007, 07:31 PM

Dude, I said its not the 20th yet, its only almost midnight, then I have to wait all the way till 7PM?

Don't suppose they'll distribute the demo on STEAM? FilePlanet is starting to piss me off.

Wow, I'm so controversial all I have to do is give my opinion on a game and a giant war breaks out amongst you all. Lmao

It's because the majority don't like you here, then there are a few who want us to leave you alone. Damn neutrals... I mean, with enemies you know where they stand, but with neutrals... well you just don't know anything about them.

Xerosnake90

08-19-2007, 07:50 PM

It's because the majority don't like you here, then there are a few who want us to leave you alone. Damn neutrals... I mean, with enemies you know where they stand, but with neutrals... well you just don't know anything about them.

I kinda find it funny, I'm not even the one starting it. Civil war, lol. I love this place, I love to be hated to such a degree were verbal war breaks out at the sight of my presence.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 07:51 PM

Yeah, you're an ass. And no one started it, No Shelter merely quoted you from a post you made a while back and suddenly its a fucking forest fire to everyone else. In light of this new change in attitude, I'd assume your ADD needs are be satisified then.

Xerosnake90

08-19-2007, 08:08 PM

I'm not an ass, I'm fairly friendly when you get to know me. Ask E, he knows I'm not nearly as much of an ass as everyone thinks. Maybe you should just get over what I said and stop playing the whole teenage grudge game.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 08:27 PM

no... you're an ass.

Xerosnake90

08-19-2007, 08:31 PM

When you're ready to grow up, you let me know.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 08:37 PM

When you're ready to gtfo, let me know.

Xerosnake90

08-19-2007, 08:39 PM

I'll be here long after the game is released. Hope to see ya still.

dontleave

08-19-2007, 08:51 PM

Probably will... But most likely in chat... posts are old school. Plus chat mixes with game, although the opportunity to use it probably wont arise very often.

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-20-2007, 03:52 AM

in this corner: dontleave!

and in this corner: Xerosnake90!

it's the fight of the century!

Who will win the stupid argument with no point!?

Maybe Xerosnake90 should join dontleave when he plays css against darksora.

Deek

08-20-2007, 05:34 AM

More importantly, my FilePlanet Bioshock reserve failed mid-download ... and now there are no available mirrors ... and now all mention of the Bioshock PC demo has been removed from Fileplanet ... but this dontleave vs Xerosnake thing also has merit ...

Stupoider

08-20-2007, 08:01 AM

No its not.

The post time says it's 20th of August.

Eddy_of_the_dead

08-20-2007, 08:06 AM

no......demo....?:O luckly i have a xbox 360 and played the xbox demo whixh kicks ass :D

dontleave

08-20-2007, 08:25 AM

Wow seriously? I saw that like yester-yesterday... or atleast early yesterday.

Deek, sounds like your subscriber stuff is fucked up, first OF and now this... heh.

Stupoider

08-20-2007, 08:42 AM

Wow seriously? I saw that like yester-yesterday... or atleast early yesterday.

Mhm. I'm sure.

dontleave

08-20-2007, 10:16 AM

Mhm, I did... Atleast yesterday I saw that... because I found it looking for spoilers I was going to tell everyone to spoil the game.

DJTricky

08-20-2007, 12:06 PM

Guess what's out guys!
http://www.fileplanet.com/180044/download/BioShock -Demo (http://www.fileplanet.com/180044/download/BioShock-Demo)
Yup, that's right.

Deek

08-20-2007, 12:07 PM

haha I was JUST gonna post that ... literally, it's still on my clipboard. =P

Downloading. 2h 30m with subscriber mirror and Download Manager.

DJTricky

08-20-2007, 12:09 PM

Also, the torrent that was leaked 5 HOURS AGO:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3778797/BioShock_PC_De mo (http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3778797/BioShock_PC_Demo)

Deek

08-20-2007, 12:15 PM

ALSO, be sure to d/l the newest Nvidia beta drivers, if you swing that way. Despite the beta status, they're highly recommended if you intend to play the beta/retail.

Etheallmighty

08-20-2007, 12:16 PM

this is sorta random, but the PS3 defense force sucks..
they gave it a 5/10....for shame. well I guess it's not biased or anything right :P

DJTricky

08-20-2007, 01:17 PM

Download Finished! Installing now! :D

Deek

08-20-2007, 02:00 PM

Had to pause mine to upload to a website! Damn you!

darksora2323

08-20-2007, 02:33 PM

if you want to test your cpu to see if you can play it use this
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com

seems like i failed bad
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7914/bioshockby6.png (http://imageshack.us)

DJTricky

08-20-2007, 02:47 PM

As the first one to post about the PC demo, it's great! I'm still not sure if i'm going to buy it, but the demo is very fun. It may say 45 minutes, but it is more like 20 (which is just fine with me).

Deek

08-20-2007, 02:57 PM

Yay!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m232/dfleach/specsPASSED.jpg

TheStrife

08-20-2007, 03:07 PM

Well, game is..less then I was expecting. Still fun, but I dont think I'm going to blow 50 dollars on it. Maybe when it comes down in price in a few months.

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-20-2007, 03:59 PM

BIOSHOCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

testing my system now.... XD

I'm slightly above minimum requirements, but don't meet recommended requirements.

YAYAYAYAYAYAYA XD

FadedEchos

08-20-2007, 06:14 PM

Shit. I want to go to EB and try to wheedle a copy out of them, since they close at 11pm and that's only an hour away from tomorrow and it's not like it isn't tomorrow already to the east and west of us so c'mon plzplzplz?

But they're going to say no. And it'll be a waste of time, and I'll leave with nothing but some disappointment and embarassment about the temper tantrum I may have ending with me writhing on the floor and smashing dust into the carpet.

Ahh screwit, they say no and they invite the consequences, right?

wowzerss

08-21-2007, 02:59 AM

aww i have everything over minimum but my graphics card...*cries*

Big_Bubbaloola

08-21-2007, 03:07 AM

Jeez, judging by the req specs i'm not even gonna bother with the test let alone the demo, let alone the full bloody game of course. I've got Win2000 still. Damn you Gates! DAMN YOU!!!

BigFinger

08-21-2007, 03:49 AM

everything runs sweet on mine maxed out ...

im enjoying the demo immensely although....

1) im not too sure about the 'zero g blood effect' that you get when you clout someone with the wrench.

2) the choice of a prattling Irishman as your guide or 'goid' as he would say... why is it so trendy to be Irish these days ? still at least its not fucking graham Norton

3) no change of walking speeds ive found so far its walk/jog or stand still... no sprint no walk toggles nowt...

4) 'use xbox360 controller' option on the main menu ??? why in buggery would you castrate your pc by using analogue sticks for an FPS ?

5) mouse scaling needs more adjustability the difference between settings is too much of a jump but you can get round this.

its very well done the period feel to everything is superb,voices are good too and the models are great ive just gone and pre-ordered it (uk release date is friday) on the strength of the demo which is what theyre for after all.

anyone know if there is going to be a multiplayer in it ? surely there must be.

.

Puscifer

08-21-2007, 03:58 AM

im downloading the demo through steam now:P

KashMunni

08-21-2007, 04:32 AM

wow that game was fucking awesome!!! and the graphics were so amazazazing

heres my score.

I only pass the Min. but wow when i was playing it was like nothing i ever saw! and it ran so smooth >.<

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8669/untitledrf3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Req. for me equals PHAIL

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9997/untitleddg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Deek

08-21-2007, 04:52 AM

The story is great, it's beautiful, and the demo gameplay is a solid foundation to build on.

I enjoyed it and still intend to pick up my pre-order today. *thumbs up*

EDIT: Just got the call, my pre-order is in! Woo!

Psyche

08-21-2007, 04:55 AM

I played demo, I had to put everything on low and it ran butifully on widescreen. FUN

Teknobry

08-21-2007, 06:41 AM

I pass the minimum requirements, but on the recommended I fail on the graphics card.

This is the error:

Video Card
Recommended: DX9: Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 512MB RAM (NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT or better)
You Have: NVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX --MobileForce M6 Enhanced-- (GeForce Go 7950 GTX)
FAIL: Sorry, your video card does not meet this recommended requirement.
Video Card Features - Minimum attributes of your Video Card
Video RAM: Required - 512 MB , You have - 512.0 MB
Video Card 3D Acceleration: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Video HW Transform & Lighting: Required - Yes , You have - Yes
Vertex Shader Ver.: Required - 3.0 , You have - 3.0
Pixel Shader Ver.: Required - 3.0 , You have - 3.0

So, i have a better card than the required one, I have all the features needed, yet its fails? lol.

dontleave

08-21-2007, 07:19 AM

Im pretty sure 'recommended requirement' entails DX10... if not... then you got pwnd!

Teknobry

08-21-2007, 08:17 AM

No, because if you read it... "Recommended: DX9: Direct X 9.0c compliant video card "

I think its because it doesn't recognise the 7950GTX, with it being a laptop g/c.

BigFinger

08-21-2007, 09:40 AM

I think its because it doesn't recognise the 7950GTX, with it being a laptop g/c.

dl the demo and try it then.

.

theghoul22

08-21-2007, 10:36 AM

40 bux at circuit city

Teknobry

08-21-2007, 11:40 AM

dl the demo and try it then.

I meant the gay system checker program, which has nothing to do with bioshock. Yeah I know the game will work well on my system :D

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 12:00 PM

any person who thinks this game will suck for all the reasons i have read shall miss the fuck out on one of the best games ever, it says on the demo it is a very small % of the Bioshock experience so you cant judge the game too much from the tutorial esq demo,

BigFinger, did u really ask if its trendy to be irish. . . . . ?
because when they began to make Bioshock i dont think they sat around the table and said. "what do kids think are cool this month". . . and even if u dont like irish ppl he could be only in at the start of the game.

the demo is just an example of how atmosferic the game will be and a small taste of what you can do. in the real game there will be alot more free rome exploring going on and choices that efect the storyline vastly.

Deek

08-21-2007, 12:15 PM

I'll be installing my retail PC version in less than an hour (waiting for my O&O defrag to finish up). Once I move an hour or two beyond what was played in the demo, I'll report my findings (carefully avoiding spoilers, of course).

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 12:20 PM

how will you have it so early?

AckAck

08-21-2007, 12:24 PM

I played it...found it to be meh. Pretty...VERY PRETTY...but meh. Its the same thing over and over, stun then wrench beat. Though I will admit that fire thing was quite a beast.

dontleave

08-21-2007, 12:28 PM

**** SPOILER ****

Atlas will be there throughout the game.

**** END SPOILER *****

Punisher stop being a fanboy already, we all know its not the best game ever already. Seriously, you act as though this is the first game ever to have what BioShock has, and the first game you've ever played. It may seem new an exciting to you, but its not really. People have already expressed their concerns about the game, and you were there every step to pretty much disuade them, kind of gets old. The only little pickle is when you claim it to be 'the best game ever' and 'revolutionary' because its hardly either.

Im not trying to say anything agaisnt the game, but seriously... stop trying so hard to defend it already. We get it.

Btw. He might have it so early because the game came out today? Maybe... or he went to the future, bought it, then installed it the day it was out regardless of going to the future and all.

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 12:31 PM

i can only asume you played the demo AckAck. . . .and thats about 10 minuests of gamplay. . . . .so what your saying is it looks great but in the 10 minuets you played it you got bored of the 2 powers and the 3 wepons you get.. . . . i think thats your problem and not the games personaly

dontleave

08-21-2007, 12:31 PM

No thats who ever made the DEMO's problem.

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 12:33 PM

dont leave ur a totaly dick, this topic is about Bioshock, do you think ppl want to read ur shit on how mint stranglehold is here more than stuff about bioshock, and it comes out on the 24th for me so dont be so patranizing

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 12:34 PM

what,? you wanted all the powers and wepons in the demo, thats a bit much to ask for,

TheStrife

08-21-2007, 12:42 PM

Someone is blinded by rabid fanboyism...

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 12:44 PM

lol, i hate this fanboy shit, why do you come to the topic?. . .is it not to see ppls opinions about the game?

No Shelter

08-21-2007, 12:44 PM

I just finished the demo, its pretty good. I'm not going to pick it up though.

Stupoider

08-21-2007, 01:43 PM

Dontleave, give it up already. This is an amazing game. Even Halo started somewhere, All the reviews I've seen have said it is an awesome game, and your one of the only people I see denying it :P

Seriously Dontleave, your opinion is really starting to affect my eye sight, because wherever I stare on this thread, I see your shit. :P

Deek

08-21-2007, 01:49 PM

how will you have it so early?
EB Games called me this morning to say my pre-order was in. I drove to the mall a fews hours later and purchased it. I just finished installing it, and am now about to fire it up and remap my keyboard controls. More updates as they warrent ...

dontleave

08-21-2007, 02:12 PM

lol, i hate this fanboy shit, why do you come to the topic?. . .is it not to see ppls opinions about the game?

Exactly why people dont give shits, seriously... I LIKE THE GAME, im getting it sooner or later, but you dont need to say "Oh your fucking missing out" everytime someone doesnt like it.

Im not denying its a good game, like I said before... your talking smack if you think its revolutionary or anything because it aint.

dont leave ur a totaly dick, this topic is about Bioshock, do you think ppl want to read ur shit on how mint stranglehold is here more than stuff about bioshock, and it comes out on the 24th for me so dont be so patranizing

And fuck you, I didnt bring that up.. your the one to blinded by fanboyism to see that it never had PS2 graphics. THEY'RE RUNNING ON THE SAME NAMED ENGINE FFS. Calling one crap is calling the other crap. In fact, you're the too blinded by the fact that BioShock is so great, you practically brought up that arguement. All someone implied was that they enjoyed Strangehold more, IMPLIED... Then you have to come up with all the bullshit about it has crap graphics, and again, they're on the same engine practically. Then you go on to say that it set FPS back? Wtf, are you totally stupid, people enjoy these games... there is no set back, its not like they spawn right infront of you and shoot, they have AI... In fact its a step forward from HL2 where the enemies just spawn a corner behind the blue barrier. Calling Strangleholds gameplay crap is calling FEAR and pretty much every action FPS' gameplay crap.

what,? you wanted all the powers and wepons in the demo, thats a bit much to ask for,

I'm patronizing? If the DEMONSTRATION DOESN'T attract consumers, then it is flawed.

As for the release date, its not like it wasn't mentioned 20 times in this topic alone before, even I, the not fanboy fan knew that.

As for WHY I posted, I gave you the release date, and info on Atlas didn't I? Something you should have known...

Deek

08-21-2007, 02:18 PM

For those of you playing the PC version, assuming your rig has the muscle to handle it, do yourself a MASSIVE favor and DON'T FORGET to enable both anisotropic filtering and antialiasing.

It's important to realize that there is no option for either under Graphics Settings in Bioshock. You actually have to force these settings in your Nvidia Control Panel (or the ATI equivalent). I'm only able to squeeze in 4x antialiasing before I notice significant slowdown during the opening sequence, but the visual improvement is VAST. I'm also able to crank AF up to 16x with no performance impact ... but I'm unsure yet as to whether there is a massive improvement.

EDIT: There are those who believe that the U3 engine does not allow one to force AA and AF settings. Maybe this was the case before, but it's absolutely possible in Bioshock (at least AA for certain).

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 02:24 PM

i actualy think its stupid to judge this game before its played (doemo doesnt count) and i have only ever talked about how i love this game and how I think ppl with miss out if they dont try the real game for some bullshit reason ppl like u are posting. i dont like the idea of this game going undefended against the shit u talk, and wether u like it or not alot of ppl think it is revalutionary to some ppl, me being one of them, cant u see that saying its not wont convince me of that just as me saying it is wont convince you.

my point is, i came into this topic and posted some things i thought Bioshock fans would like to kno, like its awesome ratings and its nominated for best game ever, and i have got nothing but shit from u.

u said a while ago "we get it punisher 360, u like this game, ur a fan boy blar blar blar" however. u are the one who only thinks its an ok game but wont stop posting here, im still waiting to have a conversation with someone who likes the game. . . I didnt come here to listen to u big up 3rd person shit like stranglehold, sorry about the flaming everyone but this guy talks shit.

dontleave

08-21-2007, 02:26 PM

any person who thinks this game will suck for all the reasons i have read shall miss the fuck out on one of the best games ever

Quoted..

Revolutionary is a TERM, not an opinion. Shame on me for arguing the point when you don't even know the terminology.

ROFL HYPOCRIT MUCH? You judged Strangehold from the demo as well, and thats ASSUMING you actually played it. And didnt just bring up its shit PS2 graphics from some SS you googled in like 5 seconds. Fact is, Strangehold cant have PS2 graphics, if it does BioShocks graphics are comparable to the original Xbox. Im not denying its a good game, that'd be feable. You just need to understand the term 'revolutionary' and the fact that Stranglehold and BioShock run on the same base engine. And finally, that there is nothing wrong with Strangleholds gameplay, if there is there is something wrong with every shooter by far. Strangehold are barebones is just a shooter, you take cover, shoot, maybe use nades, couple tactics. That alone is half the FPS and TPS out there. Then you add the moves he can do, and thats like 3 games right there. (MP, Matrix... whichever game was the good one, not the MMO, and SH itself)

And there you go, I just admitted that BioShock has the better graphics, nothing I was trying to argue before. (Xbox>PS2, BioShock>Strangehold)

the Release date in England is in 4 days, on the 24th like i said, manny times

Again, that's irrelevant, you seem to stream through all these posts but somehow the dozen posts about the release date, HERE, eludes you?

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 02:27 PM

As for the release date, its not like it wasn't mentioned 20 times in this topic alone before, even I, the not fanboy fan knew that.

the Release date in England is in 4 days, on the 24th like i said, manny times

Plankie

08-21-2007, 02:30 PM

Just played the demo. It's alright, I guess. Nothing I'd waste my money on though.

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 02:33 PM

You judged Strangehold from the dem

i said i think its stupid to judge a game from a demo, not that i am GOD and never do stupid things. but i could see the differance in the graphics between Bioshock and stranglehold and if u cant then u need help, and let me clarify that quote thats geting me in so much trouble

when i said PS2 graphics. . . i ment shit!

i was suprised i got slated with stuff like "ROLSSD:H:WEFUJ shows what you know, the ps2 was out ages ago and wouldnt even run an xbox disk, adspfj what a n00b!!!!11"

and the last thing i saw on the release date was
its out on the 24th. . .

dontleave

08-21-2007, 02:34 PM

when i said PS2 graphics. . . i ment shit!

i was suprised i got slated with stuff like "ROLSSD:H:WEFUJ shows what you know, the ps2 was out ages ago and wouldnt even run an xbox disk, adspfj what a n00b!!!!11"

Im surprised with your 'shit!' level of reading comprehension.

/Give up with idiocy. Will reply if ever, he posts something atleast above 5th grade writing level. I can see now trying to have an intelligent conversation is futile. Facts vs. Opinion, opinion is the clear winner.

Fact is 'revolutionary' is still a term. Both games run on the same, albeit modded engine (UE3) So Stranglehold cant look as bad as you orginially said. Stranglehold doesnt have shit gameplay, otherwise the action T/FPS genre wouldn't exist, because essentially... it's just that. BioShock doesn't have that great AI either. You still judged both games on their demos, and from that decided that Stranglehold was crap, and BioShock is too awesome to be judged on a demo alone. Demo doesnt attract customers, it fails. People who dont like the game aren't missing out on anything. Opinions are what belong in this thread I agree, but you shouldn't try to disuade someone from that, I had reason to go against the 'revolutionism' of BioShock because its true... I really could care less if you like the game more than I do. As for you being dislexic, im pretty sure dislexia doesn't make up entire sentences, and words I didn't even type.

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 02:40 PM

look, i know some ppl like it some dont, i just kept posting here because there wasnt alot of ppl saying its as awesome as i think it is. believe it or not i dont want to argue with u, stop insulting me, and i am dislexic if u really want to pull out the guns and shoot me to shit. coz i dont really care if you are impressed with my grammer or not

Deek

08-21-2007, 02:52 PM

Just hold your horses, guys. Allow those of us with a retail copy to post some opinions based on something other than a 20-30 minute demo. The same can be said of Stranglehold. Have you ever had a game start out strong as hell in the first level or two, only to turn to shit 2 hours in? I sure have. And vice versa. So let's see what happens ...

Punisher 36O

08-21-2007, 02:55 PM

cool

tp500

08-21-2007, 03:43 PM

Damn sounds like you need some real muscle to play Bioshock smoothly lol. I cant wait to play it on my 360 :) Then I know it wont mess up.

Anyhoo I got a pretty funny story to tell you guys since its the release date of Bioshock and all.

SOOOOOO my buddy goes at around 1 pm today to blockbuster to rent Bioshock for 360, there were 8 copies there but only 1 left. So he proceeds, enthused, to the cash desk and 2 seconds later a man literally RUNS into the store and heads straight for Bioshock. Upon seeing he was too late he actually yells DAMMIT in the store and rushes to the desk. He asks the employee, "DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE BIOSHOCK LEFT!?" And as my friend heard him say that, he walks to the desk and says, "Yea I'd like to rent this copy of Bioshock please." The other man turns to my friend and glares into his soul as if to destroy him unmercifully. My buddy then proceeds to wink at the man. After exiting Blockbuster with the last copy of Bioshock, my friend runs like a gazelle all the way home, so not to let the other man see that he is on foot and easy to catch. hahahah so thats my little story from my friend, I laughed pretty hard at that. Sorry for not writing paragraphs im a lazy writer right now.

darksora2323

08-21-2007, 04:19 PM

heres the review http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23824.html

darksora2323

08-21-2007, 04:22 PM

SOOOOOO my buddy goes at around 1 pm today to blockbuster to rent Bioshock for 360, there were 8 copies there but only 1 left. So he proceeds, enthused, to the cash desk and 2 seconds later a man literally RUNS into the store and heads straight for Bioshock. Upon seeing he was too late he actually yells DAMMIT in the store and rushes to the desk. He asks the employee, "DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE BIOSHOCK LEFT!?" And as my friend heard him say that, he walks to the desk and says, "Yea I'd like to rent this copy of Bioshock please." The other man turns to my friend and glares into his soul as if to destroy him unmercifully. My buddy then proceeds to wink at the man. After exiting Blockbuster with the last copy of Bioshock, my friend runs like a gazelle all the way home, so not to let the other man see that he is on foot and easy to catch. hahahah so thats my little story from my friend, I laughed pretty hard at that. Sorry for not writing paragraphs im a lazy writer right now.

LOL wow dude

tp500

08-21-2007, 05:12 PM

lol it cracked me up real good.

dontleave

08-21-2007, 06:17 PM

Well, as far as I know, dislexia doesn't make up entire sentences. Anyway, that behind... I forgot BlockBuster sold games now, all I have in my city are stupid ass Rogers video, and one Taco Bell.

QuotidianTemerity

08-21-2007, 06:32 PM

I partially agree with Dontleave. BioShock is fun - but it isn't revolutionary in any way.
And Stranglehold for teh wien, high-five!

dontleave

08-21-2007, 06:34 PM

*High-fives!*... but I dun have it yet.

QuotidianTemerity

08-21-2007, 06:37 PM

*High-fives!*... but I dun have it yet.

Neither have I, but I've played the demo approximately 13 * 10^23 times. The same can't be said for BioShock.

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-21-2007, 07:30 PM

I played the demo finally. It was really cool, but its coolness was bogged down by me only meeting minimum requirments. It ran, but at 30 fps at most, and usually around 20 probably. Did anyone know you can do ironsights by pressing Z? it's the zoom button, but it lets you do ironsights even if you don't zoom in much. This isn't a realistic game, but ironsights are still cool with it.

I give the demo a 8.5/10. I can see that bioshock uses its creative combat system well, but at a 20fps rate, I have to stick with Metroid Prime 3: Corruption on Wii which is also an awesome action adventure singleplayer game like Bioshock. If you don't have a high-end computer, get a wii and Metroid Prime 3:Corruption, it's awesome.

As for Bioshock, I wasn't impressed that much. I know it was choppy when I played, but I still saw the graphics and fired the guns. Despite the creativity, it was less than I expected. I expected 10/10 for this demo. Of course, Bioshock is the kind of game you'd have to play for hours to get into with so much to find and such a rich story.

Also, great Bioshock story.

BigFinger

08-21-2007, 08:04 PM

BigFinger, did u really ask if its trendy to be irish. . . . . ?

yes i did :p

the buggers get everywhere, they make up a disproportionately large quantity of tv presenters and dont even get me started on that michael flatly arsehole and his riverdance spasticshow.

still i should talk im half Irish myself...! which i suppose places me in a good position to throw stones, and if the only fault i can find is a fake Irish accent then that shows you how flawless the game is imho.

lastly.. bioshock= good,atmospheric and original go buy it !

.

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-21-2007, 08:12 PM

yes, go buy it. Of course, after you realize your computer can't run it, you'll have to turn to the awesome alternative... Metroid!

If you can run Bioshock, get that definately. Metroid is only there if you still want an awesome action adventure with no system requirments whatsoever (except the system itself)

Etheallmighty

08-22-2007, 06:22 AM

here's how it went so far....I got to the first big daddy ur supposed to kill...I expected that when I shoot at him, to start shooting me or start running....no, he turns around and freakin superFLIES at me like 15 feet in a second and 1/2 and knocks me down into a corner...u shoulda seen my face and the OOOOOHHHHH SHIIIIIIIIIIZZZAAAAAA!!...even firing my electrobolt and shotgun couldn't save meh, I was trapped :( (on hard)

I had like 5 or 6 medkits, but on hard one hit from a daddy takes ur health to like a half a centimeter...

Deek

08-22-2007, 06:38 AM

I had like 5 or 6 medkits, but on hard one hit from a daddy takes ur health to like a half a centimeter...
haha Yeah. I'm playing on Hard too ... and it's just that. Haven't made it to the first killable Big Daddy yet, though. I'll let you know how it goes. =P

dontleave

08-22-2007, 10:18 AM

I've been fooled, my download got stuck at 65% and stayed there. I give up.

tp500

08-22-2007, 11:09 AM

hey dontleave what is your steam address?

squerl

08-22-2007, 02:18 PM

HOLY CRAP BIOSHOCK IS AMAZING. Just finished my first runthrough :D

Deek

08-22-2007, 02:42 PM

HOLY CRAP BIOSHOCK IS AMAZING. Just finished my first runthrough :D
... as in, the ENTIRE game? Damn dude. How long did it take you, approximately?

squerl

08-22-2007, 04:40 PM

I dunno, my steam profile says 13.7 hours so I'd believe that. I played like 4 hours yesterday then most of today.

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-22-2007, 05:58 PM

I dunno, my steam profile says 13.7 hours so I'd believe that. I played like 4 hours yesterday then most of today.
I believe you did that too. When I played Zelda: Twilight Princess, even though it's 70 hours long, I played 5-12 hours a day until I finished XD

I REAAALLLYYY want Bioshock, but I only meet minimum requirements, so I have to stick with the alternative...

METROID PRIME 3: CORRUPTION

Not a bad alternative at all.
No system requirements either (except the system itself)

so...
I guess you'd give bioshock an easy 10/10?

squerl

08-23-2007, 09:24 AM

I think the thing I found most disappointing was that they didn't roll the credits at the end (it's on option in the menu).. so yeah, 10/10 from me :D Best single player experience I've had (by far in the FPS genre), really good atmosphere and the enemies and combat/upgrade system were amazing. Mmm.. must.. play.. again..

dontleave

08-23-2007, 09:27 AM

So... does Samus' suit come off when she dies in MP3?

Deek

08-23-2007, 10:45 AM

so yeah, 10/10 from me :D
I will say this, the game gets a HELLA lot better beyond the demo.

I just picked up my Telekenisis plasmid, and this shit be fun.

Stupoider

08-23-2007, 11:13 AM

I just picked up my Telekenisis plasmid, and this shit be fun.
Never used the Grav Gun? :P

Etheallmighty

08-23-2007, 11:17 AM

Never used the Grav Gun? :P

yeah it's pretty much the same sorta thing...so, ya know....KICKASS!!...I didn't get to play last night cause I left my hard drive at a friend's, but the last thing I did was return the research camera 2 that guy......I want to get the freezing plasmid I want to freeze people!

Deek

08-23-2007, 11:28 AM

Never used the Grav Gun? :P
Of course. I didn't say it was NEW fun. Besides, the way they implement it is far more intuitive and effective compared to HL2.

hooray for zombies

08-23-2007, 11:29 AM

Best single player experience I've had (by far in the FPS genre)

I was ready to chew you out for this comment, until I noticed the 'single player'. Tricksy, tricksy squerl

dontleave

08-23-2007, 12:05 PM

I played some at my friends house, I believe he's done or almost done also... Anyway, the Telekinesis thing is alright, I prefer the gravity gun. I dont like how it floats just right above your face... kinda stupid, like in Dead Rising when you look at your watch... and its right infront of your face >.< There really isnt a point of having a weapon that'll completely block your vision, otherwise we'd have guns that cover your entire face.

In CellFactor, which has the best telekinetic stuff in any game so far, you just select whatever, it floats behind or beside you and just launches from there... Im sure for the sake of having really small ass spaces it was necessary, but the partially invisible objects thing is weird.

Oh well, im off to CS:S. Jedis are ftw.

Stupoider

08-23-2007, 05:17 PM

the partially invisible objects thing is weird.
Let's you see what your aiming at. That helps if anything at all..

dontleave

08-24-2007, 03:57 AM

Still, its weird how they just had to put it right infront of your face in the first place.

QuotidianTemerity

08-24-2007, 04:33 AM

26 minutes to go.

Nemesis_vs_Leon

08-24-2007, 12:48 PM

Samus' suit doesn't come off if she dies in metroid prime 1 or 2, probably not in 3 either, but you know her reputation for losing her suit if you beat the game fast enough or with a high percentage of things scanned or collected...

dontleave

08-24-2007, 01:00 PM

It came off in Fusion.

Drizzt

08-24-2007, 04:04 PM

uh my demo gets stuck right when your about to enter Rupster(spelling) after the ball ride.

Deek

08-24-2007, 05:19 PM

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioshock/815688p1.html

Zombie Ade

08-25-2007, 12:24 AM

Thought I`d add to the thread.......
Been playing since Thursday night, and I`ve spent an hour in Arcadia so far. Rescued one little sister, about to rescue the second.
I`m playing on hard, I thought at one point I may have to restart on normal as hard is HARD ( funnlly enough :P) But now I`ve got a few more weapons and upgraded my machine gun its getting better.

I played it on easy round my friends house so his son could get the telekenisis to play around with. The difference is huge! I was carrying 9 health packs and 9 eve hypos and had more ammo than I knew what to do with.
Hard is definately more fun as it makes you think about ways of despatching your enemies to conserve ammo.

Great game! Need another fix................

Deek

08-25-2007, 05:39 AM

Hard is definately more fun as it makes you think about ways of despatching your enemies to conserve ammo.
Definitely. I've been forced to buy ammo/hypos and medkits from vending machines several times already, and I'm barely a few hours in. It's pretty intense when you're always scraping the bottom for health and ammo.

Brazuca

08-25-2007, 06:04 AM

I am half-way through the game. I am playing on Hard, with no Arrow to guide me, and I am saving all little sisters. Played for 13 hours and I am half-way through.

The first part of the game, until you get your first weapon upgrade was VERY difficult, but now I usually have all of my resources maxed out and the game is turning out very easy for me...

My favorite plasmid is the Insect Swarm plasmid. I carry the rest just to go through places you can't with out them. I always get the health upgrades, and concentrate more on the passive tonics. I never got any EVE upgrades because I rarely use plasmids.

*The best Single-Player FPS I have ever played*

Zombie Ade

08-25-2007, 07:37 AM

*The best Single-Player FPS I have ever played*
I`ll second that - for now! Maybe Crysis will beat even this.
To testify to how good it is, I`ve drained my entire battery on my Logitech laser mouse.
Sitting here waitng for it to recharge so I can carry on!

I`m in the Atrium area now - and I`ve just got the crossbow!

QuotidianTemerity

08-25-2007, 08:46 AM

This is quite easily the third best FPS I've ever played.

Zombie Ade

08-25-2007, 08:50 AM

This is quite easily the third best FPS I've ever played.
Whats your top two then?

QuotidianTemerity

08-25-2007, 08:51 AM

1. Half-Life 2
2. Operation Flashpoint
3. BioShock(!!!1OEN!)

A DUCK

08-25-2007, 08:55 AM

Half-Life 2 owns.
QFT

Etheallmighty

08-25-2007, 01:45 PM

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

dude I'm at the point where u have to kill some people, then take a of them dead in order to make that daranged artist guy's "master piece" and I've killed 3 big daddies in the same room (where u place the pictures and get the bow/halls surrounding there)....it's so crazy having 2 bouncers coming after you, along with the bunny masked people the artist guy sends....I only died AT LEAST 12 times b4 killing them all along with the bouncers, but now I have adam a-plenty!!

p.s.-I love owning people in the face with the bow :)

p.s.s....best strategy
1. freeze splicer jumping at you
2. QUICK! take out ur camera and get a grade A pic!
3. SMASH EM 2 bits with ur good 'ol rench
4.DANCE!!...after getting an achievment for good pics

it's completley random with the big daddies/little sisters...if u go back to past levels (through the submarines) there will be random daddies roaming around randomly finding sisters to get adam...I followed one, he'd knock on a wall near a hole, then a little sister might come out, one might not...

Deadly

08-26-2007, 04:07 AM

I will say this, the game gets a HELLA lot better beyond the demo.
i hope so, i thouyght the demo scuked, im gonna rent this game for the 360 today hopefully..my computer cant run it over minimum and i want the full experience of it so i am going to get it for a console...and darksora...asshole

QuotidianTemerity

08-26-2007, 07:30 AM

I just finished the game.

Damn, that ending left me numb. In a good way.

squerl

08-26-2007, 08:30 AM

If anybody posts anything having to do with spoilers/storyline without clearly marking it in bold letters not only will they be known forever as a GIGANTIC DOUCHEBAG LIKE DARKSORA they'll also be banned from the forum.

Deek

08-26-2007, 08:32 AM

Thanks, squerl.

Zombie Ade

08-26-2007, 11:29 AM

Yeah, cheers squerl.
I made a note of asterixing out the quote I made from darksora to avoid repeating the spoilers.
I take it you removed my post due to my profanities. Apologies, but I was most pissed off!

*edit*
Is darksora banned then? Not got anything against the guy apart from ruining the end of Bioshock for me. Hope he learns a lesson here if he has been given another chance.

Deek

08-26-2007, 01:27 PM

GIGANTIC DOUCHEBAG LIKE DARKSORA
roff

darksora2323

08-26-2007, 01:57 PM

GIGANTIC DOUCHEBAG LIKE DARKSORA
I love you to squerl

Is darksora banned then? Not got anything against the guy apart from ruining the end of Bioshock for me. Hope he learns a lesson here if he has been given another chance.
LOL I didnt learn anything for that experience and I dont think squerl would ban me just like that.

another edit

this is the second time I was called a douche bag in one day

squerl

08-26-2007, 02:31 PM

LOL I didnt learn anything for that experience and I dont think squerl would ban me just like that.

With that attitude, you're now banned for a week or so. Ruining shit for other people means you're a douchebag.

hooray for zombies

08-26-2007, 03:35 PM

harsh! but necessary, I suppose. (is it just me or has squerl started to crack down a little harder recently? or is it just the people on the boards are getting more arrogant?)

Deek

08-26-2007, 04:50 PM

LOL I didnt learn anything for that experience and I dont think squerl would ban me just like that.
Weak, dude. Your intentional spoiler was top shelf asshole material, nothing to lulz about. The least you can do is show a little remorse and apologize.
harsh! but necessary, I suppose. (is it just me or has squerl started to crack down a little harder recently? or is it just the people on the boards are getting more arrogant?)
Absolutely. I'm happy to see squerl crack some heads. It's been a little fast and loose around here, lately.

dontleave

08-26-2007, 04:58 PM

Not to be devils advocate vs. 3 people and the banhammer.

minar spoilarz

But its a game. If your atleast half way through it becomes fairly obvious after the point where your informed of the jackals and wolves. *hint hint*

P.S I dont mind darks banned, so dont go saying we're gay homos.

Zombie Ade

08-26-2007, 11:12 PM

this is the second time I was called a douche bag in one day
Mmmm, perhaps you should stop and ask yourself why. I guess you`re one of these people that will just never learn and carry on been a douchebag all your life.

But its a game.
yes, its a game. But its also a game with story and atmosphere. Its almost like a good book or film. If you bought , say, `The Sixth Sense` to watch and you`d never seen it before and I was to tell you that the character Bruce Willis played was a ***** then you`d be pissed.
I blanked that in case anyone here hasnt seen Sixth Sense , but if you have then you`ll know what I`m getting at.

Any game that relies heavily on a storyline can be spoiled . They are no different to a book or film. Plots change and develop and if you know a twist before it happens then it loses the shock value when it happens. Of course some twists you can see coming a mile off , but some you cant.

so dont go saying we're gay homos
You`re gay homos! :)
Thought i`d get there first!